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Hopefully everyone is able to post their opinion without it turning into a debate. Congratulations for those who believe in it!
I just about giggled when the Catholic Church said it was ok for a gay man to marry a lesbian though lol! I don’t know if that was a part of the thing though. I just saw it on facebook lol
I don’t necessarily believe in gay marriage but who am I to tell someone else what they believe? So congratulations to anyone this involves
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In Aussie political news – Julia Gillard is no longer prime minister or Labour Party leader. She was having feuds with another member of the government (Kevin Rudd) and rang him up saying they’ll have a political party vote. If he wins, she retires from her title and he takes it, if she wins, he retires from his title and she takes it. It backfired on her, she lost – 45 to 57. Kevin Rudd is now supposedly our new Prime Minister. And I’m happy about that, as life will be changing for the better here.
For example, a little while a go a boat load of illegal immigrants sailed into Aussie waters. Australia told them to get out of the waters, giving them warnings that the immigrants would face serious consequences. The immigrants then proceeded to say ‘if they weren’t let in, they’d throw the children overboard.’ Know what Kevin Rudd said? ‘Fine. Throw them over board.’
Kevin will be good on this country I reckon! He’ll bring it back to its strict boarder security. And to talk about gay marriage, I’m totally backing it. How people live their life is totally up to them, there shouldn’t be restrictions to stop that. (Aside from illegal things, such as drugs, crime etc!)
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A little explanation for the non US members here if they’re interested (anyone feel free to correct me, this is just how I understand it):
DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) is a 1996 federal law that defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman. This denied federal benefits for same sex couples whose marriages were recognized at the state level. It affected things like joint tax returns, Social Security, health insurance, pension protection, benefits for military couples, and immigration protections for couples from different countries. Yesterday morning the US Supreme Court ruled DOMA unconstitutional. This is not a blanket legalization of same sex marriage but it will allow all married couples (regardless of the genders involved) equal benefits and treatment on a federal level.
Prop 8 is a bit more complicated to explain. Basically same sex marriage was legalized in California then banned by Prop 8 (an amendment to California’s Constitution). Prop 8 went through a lot of appeals first being upheld, then overturned, overturning was upheld, before making it’s way to the US Supreme Court. Yesterday the US Supreme Court did not rule on Prop 8 they dismissed it on the grounds that the people there to defend it had no legal standing to do so. This should effectively uphold the previous decisions to overturn it making same sex marriage once again legal in the state. It’s a legal battle that has lasted for 5 years.I am personally very happy with how things turned out and hope we continue to make positive steps towards equality.I do want to add that I’m REALLY impressed with the members of this forum right now. I think it’s wonderful that people have shared their opinions on a controversial topic without it becoming a mess of an argument. You all seem like very level headed people.
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I’m glad that gay/lesbian marriage is legal, everyone has their own opinions and they chose something different, they shouldn’t have to deal with people against them (but if you are against gay/lesbian marriage again it’s your opinion and that’s what you chose). I’m a firm believer in if you think it should be a different way then fight for it
glad everything went the way it did. Also my boyfriend is in favor of gay/lesbian marriage but he thinks it should be called something else because marriage is between a man and a woman but that’s his opinion. I don’t care if he thinks it should be called something else, that’s what he believes it it doesn’t bother me. (just thought I’d add that because his opinion is different than my own, not saying he’s right or wrong just saying that he is kind of in the gray area and that there are 2 separate opinions that can be respected). -
I agree again with Beka. The States provide a non-denominational means of getting legally married, which does not interfere with any religion’s position on the subject. It is much easier to change your marriage venue – go to a different church or pastor, or go to a state where it’s legal – than it is to change a religious institution that you don’t agree with.
But I think there already is another name for a man/woman marriage: it’s “divorce”. (Kidding!)
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Posted By RabbitPam on 06/27/2013 03:28 PM
But I think there already is another name for a man/woman marriage: it’s “divorce”. (Kidding!)
Anyone read the divorce stats lately? Why shouldn’t gay people have the right to be miserable, then hire separate lawyers for years of expensive squabbling like everyone else? Lol! Love your sarcastic humour.
Thanks for the run-down MD. I did search news articles so I understood what this thread was about but only read some basics.
I have to say I’m surprised by prop 8 in CA. I suppose my impression of the entire State is based on impression of LA and Hollywood. So therefore i realize my impression is pretty askew! Lol. I’m forgetting what a big State it is.There must have been some powerful influences behind Prop 8 standing so long. Is that right? Or is it just the length of the legal process?
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Posted By meow1 on 06/27/2013 08:24 PM
I’m a libertarian though, and I just think government has it’s nose in too many issues in peoples’ private, personal lives.
I agree 100%.
I was rooting for Ron Paul, it was sad to see him being ridiculed at every turn, when in fact he was pretty much the only one making sense. If he had gotten the nomination I think I would have preferred him over Obama, even though I’m usually leaning democrat.
Oh well, I’m getting off topic. Very happy with the Supreme Court’s decision. I’m also very proud of everyone here for voicing their opinion in a civilized manner and thanks to the moderators for keeping this thread. I hope we’ll have the opportunity to peacefully discuss things like this in the future.
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Posted By meow1 on 06/27/2013 08:24 PM
Oh I understand the importance of it as far as legality. I’m a libertarian though, and I just think government has it’s nose in too many issues in peoples’ private, personal lives. This is just one of those issues.
Ok, and I understand what you’re saying. Many people feel that way. I think the govt is almost more like a baby-sitter at this point.
If the govt said, starting tomorrow, marry who you want, decide for yourselves what the best option is for you “reproductively”, buy whatever firearms from whomever, payment of taxes is appreciated, but not at all necessary, smoke it if you got it… everyone would be up in arms about there not being ENOUGH involvement.
The two sides are very extreme, and there are good and bad people on BOTH sides. I’m assuming you’re more in the middle so you can probably have a more clear-headed view
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I hadn’t heard that ‘common law marriage’ was no longer valid. It used to be 7 years, and that was what got the actor Lee Marvin into a legal dispute with his girlfriend of more years than that when she wanted stuff/money from him after they broke up. That was in the 90s I think.
I also think, and MD validates this (thank you for your earlier explanation, btw), that you are married only in the eyes of those states that sanctify it. So, when a lesbian couple moved from MA to FL last year, they went to get their driver’s licenses, or some other run of the mill legal document for new residents, and one of them got stopped because her status of married wasn’t honored in this state. I think they even had absconded with her license and left her stuck. I could look up the article, but it was in the local newspaper. Really miserable. They just wanted to move back after it happened.
One of the ways it is truly heartbreaking is when a hospital has a person in the ICU and they only allow immediate family, & spouse, in to see them. I guess many people who were dying of Aids were in that situation, and their life partners were not allowed in. Your point about libertarian non-interference is well made, but in this case, ironically, the humane stand is made with the government’s help and approval, ie, legal marriage.
JG, thanks for getting my quirky humor.
Sarita, Texas only recognized the following for men to marry: women, horses, and horsey women.
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Just saw this. Quote is from HuffPost:
‘ “The magazine wrote that the cover artist, named Jack Hunter, originally submitted the image, unsolicited, to a Tumblr. “It’s amazing to witness how attitudes on gay rights have evolved in my lifetime,” he told the New Yorker’s Culture Desk. “This is great for our kids, a moment we can all celebrate.”
Sesame Street has long denied that Bert and Ernie are anything more than friends, saying in a 2011 statement that the two “do not have a sexual orientation.” Even so, now that the pair have been celebrated as the ultimate gay duo, wouldn’t it be time to bring them a little closer together?” ‘
Sarita, don’t take it personally, but you ARE an expert on hay….. -
Posted By RabbitPam on 06/28/2013 02:14 PM
I hadn’t heard that ‘common law marriage’ was no longer valid. It used to be 7 years, and that was what got the actor Lee Marvin into a legal dispute with his girlfriend of more years than that when she wanted stuff/money from him after they broke up. That was in the 90s I think.It is still valid in some states. 12, to be exact. But, you can’t just LIVE with someone for X years, you have to present yourselves as a married couple. Joint tax returns, calling each other husband/wife, etc. It’s a very annoyingly complicated matter. In some courts, you’d need written documents stating you view yourselves as married.
After looking up Vegas marriage laws, I am not sure if they’ve changed from 20 years ago when she had hers. It states you have to in person, as a couple, sign and show ID for a marriage license at the licensing bureau. There is no waiting period, but you do need the license. But… maybe they fell under common law for the ceremony. Not sure.
It was a drive-thru chapel marriage. And yes the hospitals not letting loved ones visit is a horrible rule. Thankfully, a lot of places did away with that anyway, even without marriage being legal. Some still even now enforce that rule though.
If you marry in one state and your marriage is not honored by your home state, it doesn’t grant you rights. You have to remain in the state you are recognized in, or be “single” again. Now though, federally it can be recognized thanks to the supreme court ruling, at least for certain tax rights and such (as long as you are legally married in your state).
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