What is the main breed of rabbit in this rabbit?

[Hopper]

These two rabbits are males and are mixes but can someone please tell me what their “main” breed is? If they aren’t too mixed up to have one! Thanks in advance, its for a friend of mine  

[LBJ10]

Do they have blue eyes? That will help you determine whether they have the Vienna or Dutch gene.

[flemishwhite]

They are very definitely VNCB rabbits.  Very nice cute bunnies. 

[Hopper]

They have brown eyes

[Hopper]

Flemishwgite, what are VNCB rabbits? (I feel stupid asking LOL but whatever)

[jerseygirl]

Posted By Hopper on 4/29/2016 6:20 AM

Flemishwgite, what are VNCB rabbits? (I feel stupid asking LOL but whatever)

Don’t worry. I was going to ask also.  But I just figured it out. lol Very Nice Cute Bunnies.  At first, I thought it was gene codes . Vienna, something something something. 

[Hopper]

Haha thanks! I thought it was gene codes as well. So, are they Viennas?

[LBJ10]

The Vienna gene creates blue eyes, so they are likely mixed with Dutch.

[Hopper]

Ok thanks =:3

[LBJ10]

I should add that I’m basing this guess on their main coloring combined with their eye color. Dutch bunnies can have blue eyes if they are a dilute color (like blue, which is diluted black). But the fact that they have these markings and brown eyes means they are likely Dutch mixes because the Dutch gene itself does not affect eye color. The Vienna gene, however, does affect eye color and Vienna marked rabbits will always have blue eyes.

[Azerane]

Posted By LBJ10 on 5/01/2016 9:43 PM

I should add that I’m basing this guess on their main coloring combined with their eye color. Dutch bunnies can have blue eyes if they are a dilute color (like blue, which is diluted black). But the fact that they have these markings and brown eyes means they are likely Dutch mixes because the Dutch gene itself does not affect eye color. The Vienna gene, however, does affect eye color and Vienna marked rabbits will always have blue eyes.

It was my understanding that a vienna marked rabbit didn’t have to have blue eyes. Often they have only one blue eye or a partial blue eye which to me stands to reason that they could also therefore have no blue eye at all. Time to do some reading.

[LBJ10]

Azerane – They can have marbled eyes, yes. I have never seen a Vienna marked rabbit with two brown eyes. I suppose it could be possible, although I doubt very common. Hmm, now you got me thinking. LOL Off to do some research too!

[LBJ10]

Oh, forgot to mention. An individual can be a Vienna gene carrier and not be Vienna marked. When this happens, you cannot tell the difference between one of these carriers and an individual that does not have a copy of the Vienna gene. In that case, I imagine they would have brown eyes because if they had blue eyes then you would be able to tell!

[Azerane]

Here we are, found some stuff

From 2006 Spring issue of the Dwarf Digest written by Jennifer Poeschl. Link: http://www.debsrabbittree.com/home/information-on-the-vienna-gene “The blue of the BEWs eyes is caused by the pigment being restricted in the stoma, with only the pigment in the epithelium remaining. In the case of the Vienna marked rabbits (those carrying only one v gene), the pigment across the entire body is not restricted, but only in certain portions. It’s likely the melanin in the eyes is less likely to be restricted in the partial marked rabbits, so you typically only get the marbling or blue eyes when sufficient restriction across the rest of the rabbit occurs.”

Which is basically saying that a VM rabbit does not always have blue eyes, but does suggest that VM rabbits with larger proportions of white over the body are more likely to have blue eyes, which I have certainly noticed just from seeing pics of people’s pets. And makes sense when you have a rabbit such as Hopper’s with only a small amount of white on the front, that both eyes could be brown and the bunny still Vienna marked. Still, could be Dutch mix too

And from a breeder’s webpage: “As noted above in the vocabulary section, a VC looks like a regular colored rabbit with no unusual white markings, and a VM will show the white markings, possibly white nails and/or blue eyes.”

[LBJ10]

You do see a lot bunnies with just the tip of their nose being white and they still have blue eyes. Wooly just has a blaze and no white anywhere else. He has blue eyes. I’m not arguing with you, I’m just thinking there seems to be more to this gene than anyone could possibly imagine. I did come across articles that talked about how the Vienna gene can “mess up” an entire breeding stock because it is so complicated and unpredictable. The article you found is very interesting and it does talk about Vienna carriers that look like “normal” colored rabbits.

When you breed any color beside BEW to BEW, you will get what are known as Vienna Marked (VM’s) or Vienna Carriers (VC). A VM or VC is expressed in genetic code as Vv. A Vienna Marked and a Vienna Carrier are genetically the same. They both carry only one Vienna gene. The distinction is that a VM is a rabbit that you can look at and clearly see he carries the gene because he will have white “marks” on him, and/or blue, or partially blue eyes. On the other hand, a VC will have no outward marks.

[Azerane]

Posted By LBJ10 on 5/02/2016 11:54 PM

You do see a lot bunnies with just the tip of their nose being white and they still have blue eyes. Wooly just has a blaze and no white anywhere else. He has blue eyes. I’m not arguing with you, I’m just thinking there seems to be more to this gene than anyone could possibly imagine. I did come across articles that talked about how the Vienna gene can “mess up” an entire breeding stock because it is so complicated and unpredictable. The article you found is very interesting and it does talk about Vienna carriers that look like “normal” colored rabbits.

Well yes that too, it’s certainly possible for them to have blue eyes with very little white marking, I think the author was suggesting that blue eyes may simply be more likely or more common when there are larger amounts of white. Or it’s just completely random, like someone dropped a bucket of white paint, and maybe some got on you, and maybe it didn’t

But you’re right, BEW and Vienna certainly seems like a real pain to deal with when breeding, never knowing when a rabbit carried it or not if they weren’t marked would be a nightmare. I can see why many people like to stay away from BEW. And again at the same time I see why VM rabbits are big in the pet trade, so unique and often visually stunning.

[Hopper]

…wow…. I just learned alot xD

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