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FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A (update) Wick [+] for syphillis/treponema – treatment observations

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    • Wick & Fable
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        This post is meant for informational/educational purposes only. I am not a vet, and this is one case of rabbit syphilis. Like all other posts on these forums, this information is not diagnostic nor should it dictate how you treat your rabbit. Always consult with a rabbit-savvy vet prior to making medication/treatment decisions.

        Background: Wick has reoccurring ringworm around his mouth since Nov. 2017, treated with itraconazole (oral), clotrimazole (topical), and silver sulfadiazine (topical) each time. Starting this year, the ‘ringworm’ was not behaving the same. Wick’s first wave of ringworm aggressively ran away from the medication, while the waves this year seemed to not care if a day of treatment was missed — it was very ‘weak’ and didn’t grow, but more so scabbed. 

        Diagnosis and Cause: Wick had a treponema (name for rabbit syphilis infection) blood panel done, and it came with a weak positive. It is transmitted a few ways: 1) sexual contact with an infected rabbit, 2) direct contact with sores of an infected rabbit, or 3) during birth from an infected mother. Since Wick is a single rabbit, and I already had suspicions that he was raised in a poor environment, he almost certainly was already infected when I received him at 9 weeks old. This raises the question why the symptoms are only occurring now, and just like many infections, it seems it can be dormant until it shows itself after a stressful event or just eventually over time. The weak positive coincides with the slight increase found in Wick’s blood inflammation levels (inflammation occurs when the body is fighting off something).

        Symptoms (congruent with syphilis): Typical signs of rabbit syphilis are sores around the genitalia primarily and around the face. Wick had atypical symptoms (which have been documented in recent years), where it was only around his mouth. This is why it was difficult to differentiate it from his past ringworm history. One could potentially facilitate the other, but at the moment, I am unsure. Another atypical symptom is inflammation of the nose, which Wick had, but I had credited to his bout with a UTI and having runny nose occasionally due to hay dust.

        Decision for treatment: Rabbit syphilis is typically treated with penicillin injections. For separate reasons, Wick had already been on penicillin injections for two medical incidences, so I discussed this with the vet. We decided to do a dual-treatment with penicillin injections and azithromycin, which is an oral medication. Both are administered daily for 21 days.

        Reactions to treatment:

        1. Penicillin injections: Wick tolerated this in the past, so nothing too new. Only change is this is now every day instead of spaced out, so he is developing scabs, which makes finding a new stick point difficult. He is more antsy prior to the injection.

        2. Azithromycin: Wick had immediate gastric distress after the first day. Enough that he was posturing, flexing, and refusing food. It was worrisome, but he eventually came around to eating hay. The gastric distress lessened after each day. A distinct observation is the medication seems to coat the inside of Wick’s mouth, so he does not like to eat even treats afterwards. I force fed water to try and help after an administration, but this didn’t work. After experimenting, I found banana (figures!) after the medication works, and this would de-coat his mouth so he could resume eating after the medication right away.

        Current Progress:

        – Nose is no longer inflamed

        – Consistent egg/tear-dropped shaped poops, but in normal quantities.

        – General gassiness which merits daily simethicone dosing; tolerable

        Future: Wick will be on treatment a bit longer, and then we’ll probably have another panel done to see the state of the infection.

        Update: Another titer was done and the positive got slightly stronger. With this in mind, we’re going to bench doing other treatment and just observe to see how things go, with plans to retest in 6mo to a year if nothing happens.

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      • LittlePuffyTail
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          I knew most of Wick’s situation but it’s nice to read it all in point form like that. Know I’m up to date on the little cutie. This will probably prove very helpful to a future member.

          Poor bub…getting an injection everyday.


        • Asriel and Bombur
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            Always hoping for the best for him <3 Because the condition is so rarely heard of, I'm just wondering will the syphilis ever go away or is it similar to EC and pasturella where it can resurface when the immune system has been compromised?


          • Wick & Fable
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              @A&B – It is curable thankfully! It is one of those circumstances where we’ll probably do a blood panel to confirm whether it’s still around. I’ll be very upset if it is…. We did both meds rather than just one as an “ambush” technique haha.

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            • Asriel and Bombur
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                That’s good to hear! Poor little man needs and deserves a break from all the medications.


              • Nutmeg
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                  oh wow! Sending big hugs to you and Wick!!!


                • LBJ10
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                    Syphilis can be dormant in the body. That’s why you will see a solitary rabbit show signs many years after the owner had gotten him/her. But once it is cured, it is gone.

                     

                    I was glad to hear that Wick was positive for syphilis. I mean, not GLAD glad… but glad that you finally got a diagnosis and what he has can be cured. There have been so many stories of frustrated bunny parents on the forum, struggling to get a diagnosis. It seems some vets are still unaware of atypical cases (and how to identify them).


                  • Wick & Fable
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                      Ugh. Bad news. We had another titer completed after his treatment….and the positive became…. Slightly more positive.

                      I’m going to talk to the vet tomorrow but based on the voicemail, the situation is let’s wait to see how he goes and retest him in 6 months to a year.

                      Frustrating

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                    • Asriel and Bombur
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                        How is that even possible?! Man, I feel bad for you and the little guy. Sending all the vibes from the 4 of us to your little fam <3


                      • LBJ10
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                          Oh dear, poor Wick. Hmm… I wonder how that works with a blood test. Like, could it possibly diminish over time?


                        • jerseygirl
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                            Frustrating is an understatement! Was it the benzathine/procaine penicillin he was getting?

                            Are you still seeing signs of reduced symptoms at least?


                          • Wick & Fable
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                              Thank you everyone.

                              The vet did say it’s possible we did the retest too quickly but I don’t know… I’m going to call Wick’s old vet for their thoughts as well. It’s just generally easier to brainstorm with his old vet because of rapport.

                              In terms of symptoms, his current wave of mouth crustiness has subsided, but unclear if that’s natural or due to medication. The real test will be to see if it comes back.

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                            • babblingbuns
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                                Wishing him, and you, the absolute best during this. Get well soon, Wick!


                              • LittlePuffyTail
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                                  Sorry to hear the negative (positive) results. (((((Wick)))))

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