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Forum THE LOUNGE Unexpected but very wanted: meet Owen and Molly!

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    • Ellie from The Netherlands
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        It’s been a real rollercoaster since Breintje passed away: there was so much to arrange, and the week after Breintjes cremation Bas was away on business again for 5 days. During those days I realised that a house without a bunny is just a house, not a home. I went through the adoption pages, called the local shelters, and promptly got told that Breintje could never have been truly happy because he was a solo bunny… After they knew that we had a solo rabbit, most shelters wouldn’t consider us for adoption anymore. I talked it through with our vets, both said that shelter volunteers see so much misery that they form drastic opinions which don’t leave much room for nuance. I was shocked by the shelters’ attitudes, I did not expect to be turned away so harshly 🙁

        We did know that we wanted Netherland Dwarf buns, but not buns who were overbred for extremely deformed flat heads. I wasn’t eager to go to breeders because it’s such a popular breed that there are breeding mills. Many who advertise online or through Craigslist-style platforms are actually running breeding mills. Bas offered to call the guy that he bought Breintje from, he has some connections to hobby breeders. He said that he could connect us with a hobby breeding club, but that it would take at least 2 weeks before he had more details.

        Two days later I got an unexpected call: there were 3 bunnies available whose fur wasn’t the right colour for showing. The breeder specialises in rare cinnamon-coloured Nethies, and he has a whole exchange network with colleagues to prevent inbreeding. These 3 bunnies came from a new German dad, and daddy bun had basically run out of printer ink. The kits didn’t have the dark nose and ears to fit into the official cinnamon colour category, so they couldn’t be sold or shown. We said that we wanted to see mum and dad and the breeding circumstances first before making a decision, and we got an invitation for last Tuesday.

        We were welcomed into their garden, and we saw bunnies with a lovely cinnamon colour and healthy round faces. They looked so much like Breintje, I had a difficult moment then… The breeder talked about how he was the specialist for this rare colour, and it turned out that Breintje actually came from this breeder! We ended up talking for 1,5 hours: about Breintje and his antics, and he told us about some of Breintjes nephews and older brothers: several had become very old as well. The breeder told us about the exchange programme, and the club’s aims: healthy Nethies without those awful flat noses and at a healthy weight. We were introduced to 3 young bunnies, and we chose the inquisitive girl and the cuddly boy.

        They both have Celtic names: Molly was named for her feisty spirit, Owen was named after the yew tree who symbolically brings new life. Molly and Owen are the most perfect bunnies that you could ever hope for: the breeder spent a lot of time on socialising them and making them familiar with handling. They don’t bite or shy away, and especially Owen likes to be petted (if he’s actually sitting still long enough). They absolutely love it here: I’ve never seen so many binkies in my lifetime! They have a tonne of energy, and they finally have all the space to run, binky and do zoomies until they flop from exhaustion.

        Owen and Molly spent the first day in their hutch together and really loved to snuggle, but on the second day we saw him attempting to mount her several times. At a little over 8 weeks old he isn’t fertile yet, but she wasn’t appreciating his attempts. We put them in separate hutches and they free-roam in the living room in turns. They still can see each other and they touch noses when one is in the hutch and the other is running free. It’s a bit sad to see them kissing with the bars inbetween, but I don’t want any fights now that Owen’s puberty is starting. The vet told us that his testes haven’t dropped yet, and that he needs to gain a little weight yet before surgery can be done. We’ll have to wait it out, and then we can rebond them when it’s safe again.

        In the meantime: so many binkies! “They’re not afraid of the devil nor of his cross-eyed old mum”, as we say in our local dialect. Owen has even sat on my lap and on Bas’ shoulder in his exploration attempts. Molly is basically a blur all day: too busy binkying and doing the bunny 500 around the coffee table. It was completely unexpected that we’d have bunnies again so soon, but they are so very welcome! Fluff the breed standards: these bunnies are perfect in every way!

        Owen and Molly in their hutch:

        Close-up of Owen:

        Close-up of Molly:


      • LBJ10
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          O…M…G… Ellie, they are adorable! I’m so happy you were able to find some bunnies from a responsible breeder (especially after the shelters were so rude). And it’s the same place Breintje came from? Bonus! Owen looks like a little mini Breintje! I wonder if his coloring will darken a bit when he gets older. I have a feeling you are going to be very, very happy with these bunnies.


        • Ellie from The Netherlands
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            “Accident” they said… My goodness, if all accidents looked like this, the world would be a paradise! 🙄 😀

            They came into our life much sooner than we expected. The guy said that the breeders weren’t very active because all shows have been cancelled. I was mentally preparing myself that it could take months. And suddenly here they are! We had to do a rapid living room makeover too: we’ve taken down a whole cupboard, boxed all the contents, and stuffed them into a shelf.

            Although we still grieve for Breintje often we don’t think it’s too soon. These bunnies are very different and have a very different lifestyle as well. I especially miss Breintje at night, when we used to snuggle for hours.

            Owen does look like a lighter version of Breintje sometimes, yes. His behaviour couldn’t be more different though. He’s what we call an “absolute mop” here in NL: very tame and constantly flopping! He doesn’t raise a whisker when someone walks past him when he’s flopped, and even lets me pet him in full flop! Breintje was far more active and aloof throughout most of his life. He had a very willful personality, and was cuddly but never a “mop”.

            When I walked into the living room this morning Bas had already let Owen out to play. Instead Owen had flopped down on the sofa 0_0 Does this guy have bones?? I’m very curious what’s going to happen in the future.


          • LBJ10
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              Haha! That’s what is fun about bunnies. They are all so different. It’s great that you don’t have any expectations for them. It will be so much more enjoyable watching them blossom into their own unique personalities.

              Mop? I love it! I will be curious to see if Owen continues to do that as he gets older.


            • Bam
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                Ellie, I’m so happy for you! Wonderful news! I think Breintje heartily approves beyond the Bridge, these two are as close to his offspring as it gets!  He’d be the first one to tell you that a home is not a home without a bun.

                They’re so adorable and so tiny! It is of course very wise to separate them before  Molly loses her patience with Owen’s amourous attemps =D These buns are very lucky, they’ll never know anything but the good bunny life.

                The bun I have come from a breeder too, she wasn’t perfect for showing either – so she was sold as a companion bun. It didn’t work out at all with her intended older and neutered husbun, which was why she was given up to a rescuer.

                It is very different to have a young bun than and old, “reliable” one whose habits and idiosyncracies you know. I’ve had to re-bunny proof everything, and it’s an ongoing project because she constantly finds new ways into stuff that I thought I’d cleverly blocked off. Her butt looks fairly big to me (oh gosh rude!! I obviously mean slightly on the more voluminous side), but in reality that butt can fit into a five centimeter (2 inches) wide gap between a book case and the wall =D =D

                I hope you will keep us posted. This is a lovely adventure!


              • Ellie from The Netherlands
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                  Oh yes Bam, you’re so right about the re-proofing! I’ve learned this about bunny-proofing: bunny-proof a room and let a bunny prove you wrong…

                  It’s sad that it didn’t work out with her intended husbun, but I’m happy that she found a good home with you. I really hope that Molly and Owen will bond…

                  These young binksters don’t have any fear, it seems. Breintje hated the wooden floor, they don’t seem to mind. Molly had almost hopped into the kitchen when I wasn’t looking 😯

                  The floof is very deceptive indeed: Owen was missing and he had crawled underneath the sofa, which barely has a 5 cm gap. We’d blocked off the front for Breintje, but Owen somehow found a way to the side of the sofa and crawled underneath. Now that it’s blocked off with chicken wire he’s still trying to find a way, scratching away at the sofa when he thinks he’s unwatched 🙄

                  Bunnies… they’re like evil toddlers armed with bolt cutters, who can run at 35 km/h and fit through a 5 cm gap! They’re so lucky that they are so cute… 🙄


                • DanaNM
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                    Oh how wonderful! Welcome Owen and Molly! What cuties!

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                  • LunaLove33
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                      Congratulations, they are so beautiful.


                    • prince dorian the bun
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                        congratulations! They are precious!! And so strange the shelters would judge you so harshly for having a single, but very well loved bun.


                      • jerseygirl
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                          Ahhhh! I’m overjoyed for you guys. TWO adorable babies!! I think happy memories of Breintje will be brought to mind a whole lot while you watch these 2.

                          Congratulations Binky Binky!


                        • Ellie from The Netherlands
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                            @Dorian: yes it’s crazy, and their attitude isn’t helping anybunny. I’ve talked to someone who is in the rat community, and it seems to be the same for rats. When they got wind of it that he owned one rat, he was sent away. The guy is a licenced animal caretaker…

                            I owned one rat too for a while: her sister had just passed away and I found out that I was becoming allergic to rats. Rats don’t live for more than 2 years, and Chu was already 1,5 so I decided not to rehome her.

                            Especially in these times shelters mostly see the worst cases, so I understand that they’re on edge. Still it’s a shame that they won’t see nuance 🙁 They seem to have formed some kind of nationwide block, and I heard the same sort of jingle everywhere: “one rabbit is not a rabbit!”.

                            This attitude of “nobody cares better for a rabbit than we do” is turning people away 🙁

                             


                            @jerseygirl
                            : yes, so many memories! I was sweeping yesterday and Molly promptly sat down on the dustpan being a cute little nuisance. Then I thought: yes, normal order has been restored! xD

                            Still, I cry about Breintje a couple of times a day. It isn’t related to anything that Owen and Molly do, it’s just some bad memories. His final moments were very scary for me, and occasionally I get unwanted thoughts and images. It’s becoming less, and I try to cheer myself up by looking at our favourite pictures of him.


                            • BZOO
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                                I raised a rat, from a pinky, to almost 5 years.

                                I was in 6th grade, some boy had brought him to school, a little nekkid baby, probably only a few days old.  I just grabbed him and that was that.

                                Fed him from a syringe.  Mom kept him warm in her pocket.  One time we looked in and he was holding his tail in one hand, sucking his thumb on the other.

                                He was the best rat ever!  Miss you Rocky, buddy.

                                 


                            • Azerane
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                                I missed this wonderful news! How are Owen and Molly doing? They are two very cute bunnies indeed.


                              • Ellie from The Netherlands
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                                  They have so much energy and are busy all day! Constantly eating, munching piles of hay and pooping enough for 5. Pooper scooper, turds forever haunt me, but I won’t feel blue, like I always do, ’cause looking up at me is you… Sometimes we have to refill the food bowls thrice a day. You know when they need filling: Molly flings hers through the hutch. *CLANG!* That sounds like an empty bowl… Owen has a different technique: he just stands in front of your feet everywhere you go, we noticed it yesterday that his bowl is empty when he does that. How to train your human… 😉

                                  I love it that they communicate with us so much, they are very vocal about their wants and needs. There are a lot of grunts, impatient taps, purrs and excited oinks when they can leave the hutch. They also listen to us a lot and track our voices with their ears. Owen has learned his first command: hutch! Okay, let me rephrase that: he already knew the command, but actually listened to it for the first time yesterday ^_^  He finally understood that it’s less stressful to walk to the hutch yourself and get a treat. He came to the hutch when I said the word and held the treat, but he stopped on the ramp and binkied away again. It was a big hassle to get them back to the hutch because they want to play outside, obviously.

                                  Owen has become a big guy, he’s bigger than Breintje ever was. He was neutered on December 14th, and we’re waiting until the end of this month to reintroduce them. When he got his puberty his fur colour changed, and suddenly he got a very dark nose and ears. We sent pictures to the breeder to show that the colouring is there, it just grew in later. In some pictures Owen looks a lot like Breintje now, except that he’s larger and has huge round cheeks. Some friends had to do a double take: this is NOT a picture of Breintje:

                                  Owen’s a pretty courageous boy but also clumsy. He loves heights and jumps from furniture to furniture. I accidentally took this action shot when he suddenly leapt from the other sofa onto my sewing tray on the armrest of my sofa. He narrowly missed both the hot tea and the pincushion! Bas often has to reclaim my sewing tools from behind the sofa when Owen has been a lummox again.

                                  He’s also becoming a massive snugglebug. It’s not every evening, but sometimes he’s in the mood and lays next to me for sofa snuggles for 15 minutes or so. This is quite long for such a young bun 🙂 He’s so much bigger than Breintje though, it really shows.

                                   

                                  Molly has stayed very small, but she’s in her puberty now and is growing a dainty little dewlap. She’s making progress with her shyness: she likes to be petted and is less nervous about it as long as she sits in a certain place in her hutch. She rarely accepts pettings when she’s outside of the hutch, but it’s getting more frequent. She’s also becoming less scared of visitors. Usually she hid under the TV stand, but she started to come out after 15 minutes. She carefully accepts treats from strangers and sniffs at their clothing. Yesterday she happily flopped underneath the table once everybody was seated, and was pretty relaxed when we had friends over. One of them hadn’t had bunny kisses in ages, so I told her to give Molly a treat when she was in her hutch. Then Molly happily licked her hand, and she even accepted some pets ^_^

                                  So small!

                                  She’s developing a pretty strong digging instinct, so we set up a digging box for her, filled with paper shreds. She loves to dig everything out: mischief managed!

                                  Slowly she’s becoming more comfortable around us as well, sometimes she lays down on the crate when I’m knitting on the sofa. This way she’s close without being too close, and I love to see that she’s making progress and feels calm around me ^_^


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                                    Ellie, I’m so sorry about Breintje,  and I’m sorry I wasn’t here to hear about his passing.  He was a special little man.  And this wasn’t an accident, it’s Kismet!  The two of them are so adorable my diabeetus now has diabeetus!

                                    And it seems to be a thing with the Nethies to sit on shoulders.  That was Dawn’s favorite perch as well.  If she was sitting with me or her Mom, my daughter, she HAD to be sitting on a shoulder.  When I took her to the vet’s to get nails done, she road there on my shoulder.  Had to see what was going on around her.

                                    I think that, despite their size, they think they’re actually the masters of the universe, and we’re just there for them to perch on.

                                    I’m glad they found you.


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                                      @Bladesmith: Hi, it’s really great hearing from you again! ^_^ I’ve only recently returned to the forum, and I’m still not using it often because my hands are acting up. Recovering though! 🙂

                                      Breintje’s passing was completely unexpected for everyone, even the vet was shocked. In fact: Breintje became super affectionate in his last week and was constantly demanding cuddles on the sofa. Not his regular cuddles laying against me under a blanket, but ON MY LAP! That was something that he’d never done before, and I enjoyed it a lot.

                                      I let all the housework pile up and just cuddled him for hours. Half an hour before he passed he was still happily purring on my lap. My filthy kitchen was something that I was very proud of later: I feel like I had my priorities straight (even though my dad thought I’d lost it completely).

                                      The vet never saw it coming either and said that it went against everything that he knew about warning signs for rabbits. If anybody had told him that their rabbit suddenly became very affectionate, he’d have said: well, congratulations, why are you here?!

                                      The news hit hard in the clinic, and the vets and I talked about it twice. He was a bit of a therapy bunny for them: 9 years and 2 months, almost never sick, and so sociable and well groomed. They loved to cuddle him and admired his condition while talking about the horrible state that they found other rabbits in.

                                      Hopefully Owen and Molly will give them plenty of reasons to be happy too, although the rabbit expert there is probably going to be a bit confused about Owen. I’m going to have some explaining to do, because I told him twice that I wanted a rabbit with a different fur colour than Breintje 😆 Ah well, probably it was meant to be indeed ^_^

                                       

                                       

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