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FORUM THE LOUNGE Question for all of you who recently bought/are buying a house…

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    • Monkeybun
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        So, me and the hubby person thign have been casually lookign around for where/ what kind of house we are wanting to eventually buy.

        I have no idea how to go about buying houses, so I need all the help I can get! How to save up for down payment, how long to save, should I pay off the car first, etc. The bunnies are demanding more play space, so I must bow to their almighty power and get them a house soon


      • longhairmike
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          now that banks have learded their lesson after the last crisis,, they have clamped down  and will probably deny most applicants unless you have close to 20% to put down. if you dont put down 20% then you will have to pay PMI (private mortgage insurance) until you reach 20% and that can run you $80-$130 extra per month. keep in mind there a lot more costs than just paying the mortgage every month. things can and will pop up and you need to have reserves to cover those expenses. of course reserves dont need to be nearly as big if its a townhome or a condo, but thats why those pay HOA dues.

           

          i would pay off the car first…  but create an account on zillow.com (freaking awesome realestate site) or realtor.com so you can set your search parameters. and watch the market for the entire time youre saving up for the down payment.

           

           


        • LoveChaCha
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            Be willing to negotiate if repairs need to be done. I have found that depending on the year that the house is made, some buyers wll haggle downwards for repairs. It may take a few homes to get the perfect one, depending on how much money the seller is willing to want to make a profit off of ._. I saw this a lot while my dad was selling the old house. Oh my ._.

            Good luck Monkey!!!


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              Posted By LoveChaCha on 07/25/2011 12:45 AM
              depending on how much money the seller is willing to want to make a profit take a loss on it

               

              fixed it for ya…


            • LoveChaCha
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                thanks mike. going to bed now.


              • Monkeybun
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                  Me and the hubby have awesome credit, and have a great credit union so I am not worried about being denied a mortgage. Its the savings part that I have issues with


                • AbbyGirl
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                    What we did is we sat down with someone from the bank we used to get our mortgage. We went over all our bills and intake and they told us the maximum mortgage they would loan to us. They were also able to tell us if we needed to have certain things paid off before applying. Our down payment was a minimum of 5%. So we pay the private mortgage insurance and it adds about $60 to our monthly payment. They can also tell you what the estimated closing cost will be. Keep in mind that you have to have in cash the down payment and all closing fees.
                    It was very useful info for us and we knew within a few hundred dollars how much we had to have in our savings before making an offer.


                  • Sarita
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                      I agree with AbbyGirl, talk to a mortgage loan officer at your credit union first and get their advice. What can you afford and what will you be approved for. Keep in mind the cost of property taxes and insurance as well as you have to figure in those monthly costs.

                      As for the costs of home repairs – I don’t even want to go there….so much unexpected costs (at least for me). Make sure you have a nice emergency fund for unexpected home repairs. Even though you get a home inspection, you cannot always rely on the a/c not to break down or any other kind of costly home repairs.


                    • Elrohwen
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                        How exciting!

                        Here’s how we approached it. First, figure out how much you can afford to pay each month, and set your budget that way. At least here taxes can vary quite a bit by school district and they’re significant, so just saying “I don’t want to pay more than $350k” might not be good enough to stick within your budget if one house has twice the taxes of another but the same price. We put an offer on a house for $25k less than the house we ended up buying, but because of taxes the cost was about $200 more a month (so glad we didn’t get that one!)

                        Once you’ve determined how much you can pay per month, figure out how much you can currently save per month. I think having a downpayment of at least 10% is key, and I wouldn’t personally go below 15% or 20%. Less than that and you’ll have to pay PMI, which is mortgage insurance. For us it would’ve been $200 a month until we had paid off up to 20% of the house which could take years – I just didn’t want to be throwing that much money away every month. In my case, I was lucky to get an interest free loan from my mom to make up that last 5% – I can pay her off over the next few years and not have to worry about PMI or anything. I know others who have done the same thing, so it can be very helpful if you have a family member who could help you out.

                        Some banks will offer you two loans – you put 15% down on a house and they give you a loan, then you also get a loan for the remaining 5% so that you don’t have to pay PMI (I think this is called an 80-15-5 mortgage, or maybe an 80-5-15 – I can’t remember). We did consider doing this, but it worked out better to borrow from parents instead of the bank. Back a few years ago you could even put down 10% or 5% and take a loan for the rest of it, but banks aren’t offering those loans anymore and you have to pay PMI if you are going to put down that kind of deposit.

                        As for paying off other debts, figure out how much you would save in interest if you payed them now vs later. DH has some student loans left and we had to decide if we wanted to put a good portion of our downpayment savings into that, or getting a house sooner. It would only save us about $2k over the term of the loan if we didn’t pay it off now, and we were willing to take that hit in order to get a house sooner and capitalize on the awesome interest rates.

                        Interest rates are ridiculously low right now, so it’s a good time to buy because you can get more house for the same monthly payment. A friend of ours spent $100k less on his house than we’re spending (about 5 years ago), but ended up with the same monthly payment because his interest rate is about 6.5% and ours is 4.75%. A 30-year or 15-year fixed rate mortgage is generally the safest. If you get an adjustable rate, it can start climbing and you might end up with a much higher interest rate in a few years (and a much higher monthly payment).

                        I would agree that going to your credit union and meeting with a mortgage person is a good idea. In my recent experience, they wouldn’t tell us what we were approved for – we just told them what we wanted to spend and they told us yes or no. I’m sure we would’ve been approved for a much higher mortgage, but we knew what we wanted to pay each month and stuck to that. Don’t let people try to talk you into more! Our agent was constantly trying to get us to look at more expensive homes and calling the mortgage guy to get us approved for that price, but we just told her we weren’t interested in paying that much.

                        Prepare for it to take a long time! The market here is pretty good and there are a lot of houses, but we’re picky and there weren’t a lot of houses that were right for us (not to mention the 3 that fell through). We started looking last October and will move in this August.


                      • mia
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                          The preferred down payment, the best rate, and for ease of approving for a condo/townhouse is now 25%, not 20%.

                          How to save and how much to save depends on your goals, who you are, and how disciplined you are. For example, I would not willing to have loans on anything else other than students loans (which were paid off in a few years) and a property; I’d pay off the car ASAP. The easiest way for most ppl to save is to set up a different account just for saving and automatically withdraw from your regular account monthly; never look at this account (until you’re close) and try to use it for any other purpose. I would personally NOT look at the real estate market info until you are close to saving up. The more you look, the more likely you may find something you want when you’re not ready. Also, as great as those two sites are, know that there’s also off market houses. Mine was never officially listed.

                          I’d also suggest you know yourself how much you can afford and not base is on what someone else tells you with their calculations. You own should be less than their calculations; bank calculates 50% of income which doesn’t account for emergencies and retirement savings. Know yourself how much and don’t go above it; be prepared to walk away from negotiations if you can’t get it within your range. Most ppl will generally try to go above but that digs them into a hole.


                        • brittbritt
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                            I agree that being pre-approved for the mortgage and knowing what amount you would need to put down on the house are so helpful in looking for houses in your price range. Find a great realtor as well. That makes all the difference. My cousin is big in realty in my area and was so helpful in finding the house perfect for us.


                          • LBJ10
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                              Make sure you get a home inspector. My parents didn’t have one when they bought their last house. My dad “poked” his head in the attic and thought it looked okay. They thought the shingles needed replacing, which is pretty simple to do. They asked for a few thousand dollar allowance when buying the house. After they got the house, they went to replace the shingles. Started ripping them off and then realized the sheeting underneath was rotting and moldy. Ended up costing A LOT more. I mean A LOT. And they had to pay for it. Ouch.


                            • LoveChaCha
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                                Home inspector is a must need.


                              • Sarita
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                                  I think too they look at a number of things besides good credit for underwriting a mortgage like debt to income ratio, income and expected future income…tons of stuff. I had to provide so much stuff when I got my first mortgage including tax returns, savings statements and all that fun stuff. Might want to ask what you need to provide…getting a mortgage loan nowadays can be pretty tedious and there are different types of loans like an FHA and a conventional.


                                • Elrohwen
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                                    miaeih, where are you from? We weren’t required to put down 25% in order to get the best rates and loans, so it’s still just a 20% requirement here.


                                  • Monkeybun
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                                      Definitely NOT getting a condo or townhouse. HATE them.

                                      And I also definitely know that we’d need a home inspector. I used to do renovations for a living, and we got contracts due to what inspectors saw all the time

                                      We’re going to at least pay off my car before we buy a house. Hubby’s car is a bit more pricey (gotta love the BMWs though) but getting the one taken care of would be nice. And I may even get myself a job to help out His job is good enough that I don’t NEED to work, but extra money would be good to put away.

                                      Thanks for the help!


                                    • Sarita
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                                        I think loans for condo’s are different than loans for free standing homes.

                                        The fun part is looking on-line for homes!


                                      • Monkeybun
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                                          Yeah, I have been looking online for general areas and styles of places we want. And to get a general idea of the prices in the areas we want. I do love house hunting


                                        • longhairmike
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                                            if something is a short sale,, be prepared to wait months and months to hear back from the seller’s bank (if at all) after submitting an offer.
                                            unfortunately, most of the homes built since 2005 are short sales due to people who’s home value’s shrunk to almost half of what they still owed on the mortgage. we were watching phoenix burbs realestate for over a year and a half before we finally jumped on a regular sale that was only a few years old. we’ll be lucky to get $120k for the chicago condo we paid 240k for in 2007, so i told the realestate guy just to rent it,, that way after 18 months of having a tenant,, it is considered an investment property, and we can deduct the depreciation as a capital loss for taxes. otherwise it still costs us about $650/month for taxes & HOA just sitting empty


                                          • Elrohwen
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                                              House hunting is lots of fun for the first 6 months. After that it’s just tedious! Haha

                                              Sarita, I didn’t know condo loans were different. Interesting. Do you know what’s different about them?


                                            • Sarita
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                                                I really don’t Elrohwen, but I know the underwriting is different…we have lots of clients who have condo’s and my brother had one too. I think partly because you are dealing with how the condo is actually owned – you only really own from the studs out on a condo.

                                                And townhomes aren’t always condo’s either. I live in a townhome and I own the whole townhome the finish out and the outside – of course the plot size is small and other differences.


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                                                  Posted By Elrohwen on 07/25/2011 02:09 PM
                                                  miaeih, where are you from? We weren’t required to put down 25% in order to get the best rates and loans, so it’s still just a 20% requirement here.

                                                  SF Bay Area. It’s standard here now to have to put down 25% for condos and townhouses; it also gives you the best rate. Single family homes are different and you can do 20% but since they’re closer to a mil or two for ones not near drug dealers, it’s a bit out of my range. 6 figures down here gets a 1BR condo… They also scrutinize the HOAs, look at the % that are rented out, % of delinquencies, HOA reserve funds, ask for 20% studs in insurance, etc.

                                                  One thing no one tells you is how many trees you have to kill for this whole process. I ask for all electronic files and still, at least two trees have died so far and I haven’t officially closed yet; will probably kill one more by then.


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                                                    miaeih, very interesting! I guess it makes sense that condos would be different because of HOA, renters, etc.

                                                    I’ve been lucky to be able to do most of my stuff electronically, but then the mortgage place just prints it out and puts it in a huuuuge folder. I don’t even want to think about the amount of paper my attorney has gone through.

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