My Buns

[secuono]

Buck Tsunami. Does- Daisy, Cricket, Pearl & Stella. All of them are Lionhead rabbits, except Cricket, she is a Holland Lop. They are 3-8months old.

Stella.

Daisy.

Cricket.

Tsunami.

Pearl.

[FluffyBunny]

Stella and Cricket are gorgeous!

[Monkeybun]

Are these new buns being kept out in that barn that gets cold enough for water to freeze? I hope not

And I hope there are plans to get them all fixed as well.

Adorable though, that they are!

[Lintini]

Did you have to rehome Fudge & Caramel ?

[Beka27]

Very cute. Why did you get so many all at once, tho? Sounds like a lot of work and quite a lot of money to spay/neuter.

[secuono]

Posted By Monkeybun on 01/03/2011 03:23 PM
Are these new buns being kept out in that barn that gets cold enough for water to freeze? I hope not

And I hope there are plans to get them all fixed as well.

Adorable though, that they are!

 

They are in the garage. They will stay in there until spring. Not sure if it will be cooler in the barn during summer or in the garage. I used the garage as a green house for our garden to get vaggie plants started.

[LizzieKnittyBun]

Are they already fixed? Where’d you get them?

[secuono]

Posted By Lintini on 01/03/2011 03:23 PM
Did you have to rehome Fudge & Caramel ?

 

Our landlord said no rabbits when she found out. [we have since moved to a farm] She was find with cats, dogs and dog sitting, but no rabbits? Weird. So I re-homed them to a couple who lost their 9yr rabbit and wanted new fuzzies.

[secuono]

Posted By Beka27 on 01/03/2011 03:36 PM
Very cute. Why did you get so many all at once, tho? Sounds like a lot of work and quite a lot of money to spay/neuter.

 

They came all together. Going to re-home Cricket once I find a perfect home for her.

[Monkeybun]

Be wary of things like and insects in a barn, with chickens and such you can be sure there will be vermin around that you will not want around the bunnies. Why can’t you keep them in the house?

[Monkeybun]

Wait… are you in a new home now, where you are allowed to have these buns?

[secuono]

Posted By Monkeybun on 01/03/2011 03:42 PM
Be wary of things like and insects in a barn, with chickens and such you can be sure there will be vermin around that you will not want around the bunnies. Why can’t you keep them in the house?

 

Rabbits smell, period. And the garage is attached, my aquariums are in there along with the dogs[they sleep there at night.]

I failed potty training the last two. I’ll try with these, but who knows, lol.

[Monkeybun]

My 3 do not smell at all. Of course, they are all fixed too. It’s the un-altered bunnies that smell, and its easy enough to take care of that.

[bunnytowne]

I just love lionheads.    Your buns sure are cute.

[secuono]

Posted By Monkeybun on 01/03/2011 03:43 PM
Wait… are you in a new home now, where you are allowed to have these buns?

 

Yep. We can have w/e we want. The land lord wanted to catnap one of our kitties and then wanted to take home our chickens, too, lol!

[LizzieKnittyBun]

Yeah, our two buns don’t smell at all. They haven’t since they were both fixed. Rabbits really only smell when they are intact (non-neutered), unable to clean themselves, or living in an unclean habitat.

[LizzieKnittyBun]

Hey, what happened to Fudge & Caramel? They were so cute!

[LoveChaCha]

Were the other 2 unaltered? Its tough a train an unfxed rabbit in general. Is that why you gave them up?

[LoveChaCha]

What happens if you can’t train 5 rabbits?

[secuono]

Read the posts, already answered.
They live in the garage, won’t be in the main house, so smell is less of a worry.
Their floor is wire, so it’s fine if they won’t learn.

[LoveChaCha]

well good luck with everything.

[LoveChaCha]

We are here to help you with your rabbits.

I hope you realize rabbits will always be stinky if they aren’t spayed or neutered. If you can’t stand the smell or fail with litter training, it isn’t a reason to rehome them. There is a lot of effort that goes into taking care of rabbits and they aren’t for everybody.

We want the best for your rabbits and wish to help. But if you don’t want our advise, so be it.

[LizzieKnittyBun]

As a House Rabbit Community, the things we stress are keeping rabbits *inside* the home, where they can be protected from the elements, heat, cold, predators, etc. We also strongly urge neutering your rabbits for their health, as well as behavior and general well-being.

A lot of things we take for granted here may not be as well known to new rabbit owners, such as keeping rabbits indoors, neutering them, providing comfortable housing, and healthy foods. Most of us don’t use wire caging because it is known to cause wounds on rabbit feet, which is why we would caution you to find a better solution for housing while you’re litter training your rabbits.

Like many pets, house training doesn’t happen immediately. These things take time, but the rewards can be great if you keep at it. It will probably be a lot more work, since you’re starting off with so many new rabbits. But I assure you that, if you do get them neutered, their behavior and their litterbox habits will improve dramatically. We all know this from experience.

In the meantime, BB is a wonderful place for questions and advice. I’ve learned so much since I’ve found this site! We’re all concerned for the health, safety, and happiness of rabbits as household pets.

[angie-la]

I’m also concerned with the bunnies being kept outside and the wire flooring. the wire can cause sore hocks on their feet, so you could look into getting cages with a solid bottom. litter training them is super easy, plus if they’re outside it’s not like you have to worry about your room or anything.

I have heard too many stories about bunnies being attacked, killed, eaten, and being victims of other elements from being kept outside. Even if they’re in a hutch, predators can get into the cage. also, the bunnies can have heart attacks from being scared from an attack. hence, the emphasis we all make on keeping the buns inside.

[Beka27]

Why are you trying to rehome Cricket already? Do you have plans to spay/neuter them?

[jerseygirl]

I want to summarise some of the points secuono has said
-Fudge and Caramel were rehomed because at the previous property the landlord would not allow them. So they went to a new couple.
-They are now at a property that allows them to have rabbits. These guys are in an attached garage.
-They are on wire flooring but we don’t know that they don’t have resting places for their feet. From the pics alone I can see lots of hay that would provide some cushioning.

I’m not advocating outdoor living or wire floors but I do want to caution we don’t jump to conclusions. I’m taken aback by the tone coming across here. Maybe I’m misreading it…I don’t know.

Secuono, littertraining is still possible. Wire flooring will actually hinder litter training. Babies are messy and harder to train but they do get it. Having a solid floor and a designated toilet box will help as a will spay or neuter when they are of age. In the long run, having them litter trained will make it alot easier to care for them.

They’re beautiful. I’m sure they are keeping you busy!

 

[LizzieKnittyBun]

Also, I think there might be some glitchiness due to site updates which is causing misunderstandings. I asked some questions that I later learned were already answered.

Derp.

[secuono]

Posted By Brittany on 01/03/2011 06:04 PM
We are here to help you with your rabbits.

I hope you realize rabbits will always be stinky if they aren’t spayed or neutered. If you can’t stand the smell or fail with litter training, it isn’t a reason to rehome them. There is a lot of effort that goes into taking care of rabbits and they aren’t for everybody.

We want the best for your rabbits and wish to help. But if you don’t want our advise, so be it.

 

THE REASON LAST TIME WAS THE LANDLORD SAID NO. please read the other posts and not repeat everything. that’s to everyone. sorry if i’m being ‘rude’ or ‘mean’ but it’s already there, please read the post.

[secuono]

Posted By Beka27 on 01/03/2011 09:03 PM
Why are you trying to rehome Cricket already? Do you have plans to spay/neuter them?

 

They live INSIDE THE ATTACHED GARAGE. we do not heat or cool the main house where pets stay. wo only heat/cool where we sleep. do not start another fight on what i just said.

they also have a pad to rest/sleep on.

[secuono]

Posted By Beka27 on 01/03/2011 09:03 PM
Why are you trying to rehome Cricket already? Do you have plans to spay/neuter them?

 

I did not orriginally want her, she came with the others and I did not want her to end up who knows where.

[secuono]

Posted By jerseygirl on 01/04/2011 12:12 AM

I want to summarise some of the points secuono has said
-Fudge and Caramel were rehomed because at the previous property the landlord would not allow them. So they went to a new couple.
-They are now at a property that allows them to have rabbits. These guys are in an attached garage.
-They are on wire flooring but we don’t know that they don’t have resting places for their feet. From the pics alone I can see lots of hay that would provide some cushioning.

I’m not advocating outdoor living or wire floors but I do want to caution we don’t jump to conclusions. I’m taken aback by the tone coming across here. Maybe I’m misreading it…I don’t know.

Secuono, littertraining is still possible. Wire flooring will actually hinder litter training. Babies are messy and harder to train but they do get it. Having a solid floor and a designated toilet box will help as a will spay or neuter when they are of age. In the long run, having them litter trained will make it alot easier to care for them.

They’re beautiful. I’m sure they are keeping you busy!

 

 

Thanks for that. I jus woke up and here I am being offended by the tone you also noticed.

In a perfect world, I would have a room for them, a yard for them. But the world is no where near perfect and money doen’t fall from trees. They are safter in the cages or in the garage than on the floor with the other pets. I have NO IDEA how the 2 cats would do with them, I also have no idea what the 2 dogs would do. I know the big dog will one day trip or step on one accidentally. So they will never be ‘house rabbits’ like most of you know.

[RabbitPam]

Hi, Secuono,

LizzieKnittyBun and Jersey have both addressed very important points. I think it’s always a bit surprising to our members to read about Non-House Rabbits, especially since this is a designated site. We can become passionate advocates of that set up as the best for all concerned, but are aware of the lack of options for many rabbit owners. Obviously you love many animals and are doing what you can to arrange optimal housing for all of them under the circumstances.

I think what you are receiving are suggestions that will provide a better life for your rabbits, for example: removing wire floors will prevent sore hocks, which may be an initial expense to adjust their habitat now, but will lead to longer, healthier life without painful feet and painful vet bills down the road. Also, having had experience with members who had “accidental” litters. usually caused by hormones in babies that kicked in much younger than expected, they are concerned that your 5 do not rapidly become 12 or so. That can be easily fixed by getting the male neutered, and bringing them all to a vet to be absolutely certain the others are all female. That way you won’t have more to worry about. Eventually, you can face the decision of whether to spay the does, who could suffer from cancer in a few years if left unspayed, as well as have aggressive behavioral problems when they become hormonal, also leading to fights and other issues as they get older – again, leading to emergency vet visits. So it’s kind of voices of experience coming at you this morning with recommendations for an optimal life style with and for your beautiful bunnies.

It sounds like you have moved to a terrific farm – congrats! Exactly how many animals do you have now? You mentioned bunnies, dogs, cats and chickens. Any horses? Pigs? Are you farmers by trade or just love it and live on one? Would love to know your set up. Sometimes country life sounds really appealing lately when I get bogged in awful traffic where I live.

[secuono]

I had a nice, long reply, then this site was ‘working’ for nearly an hour and I gave up…

[secuono]

Ok, trying again since the last post worked instantly. Quoting failed, so w/e. I’ll try to remember what I said before.
I’m pretty sure sore hocks can be caused by urine and rusty floors, too, not just a wire floor. I added wood, 1in by 8in by 10in.
They get lawn hay, made from a mix of grass, clovers, etc in the yard which is cut and then dried. Got the younger rabbits alfalfa hay, 50lbs worth.
They also get fresh apple branches from our 2 huge trees.
None so far will stay put and be calm long enough to check their sex. They live in their own cage and will be getting more space when money allows.
Got 2 dogs, 2 cats, 3 aquariums, 33-34 chickens, 5 buns. No other farm animals yet, maybe 2 mini horses in the future, but who knows.

[BB Administrator]

SORRY EVERYONE —-NOTE about the glitches: We will be glitchy all week. We are currently doing a major site update and that means an irritating glitchfest, And that can lead to miscommunications as some posts may disappear and other posts may return, and sometimes you can’t post at all.

We are furiously working on it, but it will be days before things are right.

Helloworld!!

[LizzieKnittyBun]

I think you just jumped into a bunch of wacky bunny people! Bunnies R Us. Bunnies, Inc. Bunnies, LLC. Bunworld.

We’re very passionate, and that can come off the wrong way sometimes. I hope you won’t take offense!! Your buns are very beautiful, and when we see such lovely new domestic bunnies we get not only very excited, but very emotionally invested in their welfare. That’s just how we are!

I’m still curious as to whether you’re planning to spay and neuter your new fuzzies. Are you planning to have them fixed?

Please forgive if you’ve already answered this! I’ve decided to treat the site glitchiness as an adventure!

: D

[Beka27]

We’re not wacky. We’re far from it. We just have seen too many times what can happen when rabbits are acquired without having a plan in place for their care. I am not saying this is the situation in THIS case, just in general, bad things can happen. To answer your other question Lizzie, I did ask twice if Secuono had plans to spay/neuter, so far she hasn’t said.

[Monkeybun]

Speak for yourself Beka, I am definitely wacky

[LizzieKnittyBun]

Well, I’m a little wacky ; )

Another point I really want to stress is that domestic rabbits and wild rabbits are *extremely* different. I think a lot of people see wild rabbits and think that domestic rabbits can live the same way. Wild rabbits are able to withstand things that domestic rabbits simply can’t, such as extreme heat, cold, threat from predators, and stress. They can’t even eat the same foods… feeding wild rabbits domestic foods will make them very ill, and vice versa. That’s why we got so concerned about your bunnies being in the barn where, in a previous post, you mentioned that it was cold enough to freeze the water. I can’t stress to you enough that we are not trying to pick a fight with you… we’re just trying to help you figure out a way for you and your new bunnies to be as healthy and happy together as possible.

But I am very interested in the spay/neutered question. Secuono, please let us know if you have plans to spay and neuter your new buns. This is a subject that is extremely important to us, since we know how many homeless domestic rabbits there are out there.

[Beka27]

Well, okay. You got me there… Monkey’s mama is one wacky chick. LOL!

[secuono]

I don’t know yet. It sure is not cheap nor an easy thing to get going.
Domestic rabbits descend from European rabbits, but like all domesticated animals, they are no longer able to live naturally/wild as easily.

[Beka27]

I really do wish you the best with them. They are adorable bunnies. Maybe if you found a good home for Cricket, that would be a bit more manageable. As far as spay/neutering, if only one bun is FOR SURE a male, I’d recommend you neuter him ASAP, just for peace of mind that no one will get impregnated. You could then spay as time went on, or leave the females intact. You recognize the risks with this, but it’s a decision you’d have to make.

[LizzieKnittyBun]

That’s true, it’s definitely not cheap to spay and neuter.

But then again, paying some money now to fix your bunnies will cost far less than treating them for reproductive illnesses in a few years. Intact females have a whopping 80-85% chance of getting uterine cancer by age 4. With your four beautiful girls, that would be outrageously expensive to treat, not to mention heartbreaking to experience.

From what I’ve learned, a lot of humane societies and shelters do fairly inexpensive spaying and neutering operations. You can probably find some locations online that are within a reasonable distance of your home. They may even give you a good rate because you have five instead of just one!

[Otti]

Hi Secuono,

Another reason to not go with the wire flooring, as others mentioned, is that it’s more likely you’ll be able to litter train them on a solid floor with a litter box (they’ll be able to tell the difference better). So for the future if you want to make your life easier by having to clean a smaller litter area instead of the whole pan under their cage, it would be worth it to look into solid bottom cages.

You said that your rabbits are homed in their own cage. Since you mentioned having other animals I wasn’t sure if you meant all rabbits together in one cage, apart from the other animals OR each rabbit in his or her own cage (so five rabbits, five cages).

Since you said your rabbits are 3 to 8 months old it’s likely some or maybe even all are sexually mature, so you definitely can’t home them together (in case that’s what you meant, though I’m not sure). Also, you’d have to only leave them out of their cage one at a time until you can get them 100% correctly sexed, and carefully monitor any individual out-of-cage time if the rabbit that is out is around the other rabbits’ cages.

Until you are 100% sure of each rabbit’s gender, you really need to do all you can to keep them completely separate. I’m sure you know this but I think it can’t be stressed enough, considering that most of your buns are now in or nearing their teens and that you have several unfixed ones together at once.

The next step after gender-identification would be neutering. To avoid worry, if only one of them ends up being male, you could at least get that one fixed and be sure to avoid accidental litters, though not avoiding all smell/behavior problems from the remaining unfixed rabbits.

Also, it is my understanding that it will be harder/impossible to home unfixed rabbits of the same or even opposite genders together in the same cage by bonding them, since unfixed rabbits are harder/impossible to bond. Maybe I’m wrong about this but I think I’ve heard it repeated many times on this website of experts

[secuono]

Maybe in your area having a fixed rabbit is a plus for re-homing. But here, people could care less. As long as it’s cute enough and cheap enough, people buy it, that goes true for nearly anything. I don’t care if it takes a month or two to find a good home. At 4 buns, what’s a 5th really gonna change…

They are in their own individual cage. Two long cages divided into 3 that I made myself since anything store bought will cost me an arm.

[Otti]

Oh okay, so how are the cages divided? I’m just asking to know whether their housing sounds accidental litter proof. I’m sure that’s something you want to avoid as much as we do LOL

[secuono]

It’s all hardware cloth except the bottom. Bottom is thick, coated wire that’s more stiff and strong to stand up to their weight and hopping around.

[Lintini]

Posted By RabbitPam on 01/04/2011 04:28 AM
Hi, Secuono,

LizzieKnittyBun and Jersey have both addressed very important points. I think it’s always a bit surprising to our members to read about Non-House Rabbits, especially since this is a designated site. We can become passionate advocates of that set up as the best for all concerned, but are aware of the lack of options for many rabbit owners. Obviously you love many animals and are doing what you can to arrange optimal housing for all of them under the circumstances.

I think what you are receiving are suggestions that will provide a better life for your rabbits, for example: removing wire floors will prevent sore hocks, which may be an initial expense to adjust their habitat now, but will lead to longer, healthier life without painful feet and painful vet bills down the road. Also, having had experience with members who had “accidental” litters. usually caused by hormones in babies that kicked in much younger than expected, they are concerned that your 5 do not rapidly become 12 or so. That can be easily fixed by getting the male neutered, and bringing them all to a vet to be absolutely certain the others are all female. That way you won’t have more to worry about. Eventually, you can face the decision of whether to spay the does, who could suffer from cancer in a few years if left unspayed, as well as have aggressive behavioral problems when they become hormonal, also leading to fights and other issues as they get older – again, leading to emergency vet visits. So it’s kind of voices of experience coming at you this morning with recommendations for an optimal life style with and for your beautiful bunnies.

It sounds like you have moved to a terrific farm – congrats! Exactly how many animals do you have now? You mentioned bunnies, dogs, cats and chickens. Any horses? Pigs? Are you farmers by trade or just love it and live on one? Would love to know your set up. Sometimes country life sounds really appealing lately when I get bogged in awful traffic where I live.

 

 

 

Actually RabbitPam already said the benefits of spaying and neutering rabbits. It has nothing to do with what area you live in. 

[Beka27]

I’m locking this thread as it’s getting rather divisive and this isn’t the nature of Binkybunny. I’ll alert the other forum leaders and Binkybunny as to how they want to proceed.

As I said in my post, Secuono, I want what is best for your bunnies. You’ve received fantastic advice to ensure the best care and long-term health for your rabbits. It is now up to you to make the decisions that you feel are best.

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[SmokeyBunnyRobinson]

The baby lionheads are adorable. I originally was going to purchase one but then I saw Smokey : )

A tip about litter training… Smokey was not the easiest to litter train, and she definitely took to it better after she was fixed. But when I got her at 8 weeks, she was not really taking to it at all. The older she got, though, she seemed to grasp it more. Once she was spayed she (mostly) goes in the litter box all of the time. I’m sure you’ve heard that older buns are easier to litter train, and this is definitely true. : ) I’m sure it will also be a plus to people you are trying to sell the buns to that they are already litter trained : )

As for the smell, I have taken to using recycled newspaper pellets for Smokey’s litter, and now I never smell anything. They just absorb the smell better. Pine bedding is terrible for rabbit urine.

In any case, I hope all goes well for you and your farm!

[Michelle&Lolli]

Adorable adorable adorable!

[(dig)x(me)x(now)]

What an odd thread this had become. So incredibly out of character for the forums/users. I’m glad I missed the “drama”! Ha.

secuono – Welcome back. Your rabbits are gorgeous. I hope they get the best care you can provide them in your current situation. And that the weird situation at hand doesn’t discourage you from visiting the forums/website still. It is definitely a great source for information and discussion.

I’m sure after Fudge & Caramel, you were happy to be able to welcome rabbits into your life again. Were you originally only planning to have one or two? It seems odd that whomever you got them from made you take 5 or nothing! Maybe a farm or breeder? You mentioned things are kind of different in the rural area you are in. Do you mind me asking what part of the world you are in?

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