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Hello . I have two baby boys (they’re brothers) C & L Got them when they were 9 weeks old and now they are three and a half months old.
Their story:
One day a friend called me and complained about how her roommate is about to toss out two baby bunnies into the park nearby because she can’t take care of them (she decided to let her pedigreed lionhead and her mini rex mate when she was drunk, and a month later, voila, 4 babies, one has been adopted, she’s keeping one so she’s throwing these two out). I’ve always wanted rabbits, but I lived at home and we have dogs that hunt squirrels and I like bunnies a lot better alive so no bunnies. I got my boyfriend to drive over to her place picked them up (I didnt have ANYTHING ready for these two). She kept mom and two babies in a tiny 30×20 cage. So I picked my boys up and dropped them off in my room with a cardboard filled with shredded newspaper and asked my housemate to watch them for a bit. Because of how last minute this is (and how both of them were only one pound then) I went to petco and shelled out for a 40×20 cage and a 4×4 pen. They apparently mainly ate hay and apples O.O. Now they’re on a healthy unlimited hay and pellets diet (I will cut the pellets down when they’re 6 months old) and learning to eat greenleaf lettuce (tried romaine, neither ate any, actually they wont even come out of their cage if they smell romaine lettuce).
I’m a new bunny mama, so you’ll see a lot of my posts asking the most basic questions ever, I plan on getting them neutered in 2 weeks and building a condo for the two of them. If I sounded angry… it’s because how they were treated just pisses me off and i’m sorry for sounding mean .
THANK YOU FOR READING!!!
The buns:
Welcome! I don’t think you sounded angry at all, just concerned for their welfare, as I would be. They are so cute! How do you tell them apart, are they identical?
I do hope your friend has since taken the proper steps and neutered the male and has plans to spay the female once all the babies are gone.
Aw, they are so cute! Poor things going to be tossed out like trash, I’d be annoyed with the person too. Sounds like you’re working on taking good care of them, thanks for saving them. Look forward to seeing more pictures.
You really didn’t sound any madder than any of the rest of us who have encountered buns in terrible stuations. Glad you found this site, I know it has been tremendous for me. And the people here are super patient with us new and paranoid mamas
Welcome
Nope, you are fine. I get angry also at situations like that and it is very understandable You want what is best. I hope that person never has animals again.
This is a great site for bunny info and laughter.
That is wonderful that you were able to save these baby bunnies! They are so cute!
Oh my goodness they are precious! And THANK YOU for saving them! I echo what everyone else said -you don’t sound mean at all, just like someone with a big heart.
Wow you are amazing! For sOmeone who supposedly doesn’t know much abOut rabbits, you’re off to an excellent start!!
I absolutely agree with Tate, you are off to a great start. Welcome. I am so glad there are people like you to make up for the people like your friend’s roommate. I sincerely hope she doesn’t make any more babies!!!
Your pair is adorable.
They are gorgeous. Please post more pictures when you can. Thank you for saving them from being thrown out.
I echo what the others have said – you are wonderful for taking them in, sometimes things happen lickety split, and you did and are doing, very well. The pair you took in are adorable – you’re in love, aren’t you? – I KNOW! Hee, hee…enjoy your little pair and don’t be shy about posing questions….fire away!
What gorgeous bun-buns! Do they feel velvety like a min-rex?
Welcome! They are so adorable! I am so glad you were able to rescue them!
cute bunnies… but I [obviously] have to ask what’s up with their names?
no response..? well. I’m just going to put this out there, and I don’t care if this violates the forum rules about being cordial towards one another because this is something that deeply offends me as an Asian American. I don’t know what ethnicity you are, I don’t care. To name your bunnies [C and L], terms that have been used to ridicule Asian Americans and mock our language and culture, is insanely ridiculous to me. These terms are childish and horribly inaccurate, as no Asian language really sounds like that, and to group Asians in one group doesn’t make sense since we’re comprised of every skin color, language, religions, and cultural practices.
words like [C and L] have been used to put down MY people, to make us feel ashamed of our own culture and heritage, and you should be ashamed for naming your pets these names. if you don’t want to change their names, that’s fine, but out of respect towards me and the other Asian American members of this forum you could at least have the decency to refer to them as C and L in your posts. that’s all.
I am kind of horrified that no one said ANYTHING about this until now.
I don’t think most people are even aware, angie. I didn’t know until your post that it was offensive, honestly have never heard it before. I had to google it after you posted this to see what it was. It’s possible the OP just heard Jimmy Wong’s song (which, I just saw thanks to my google search) that became such an internet sensation and didn’t realize it was a satire piece in response to a racially offensive video, at least I hope it’s something like that.
clearly, the OP knows what these terms are. It’s not like she coincidentally made up these names, so she’s not getting any slack from me for using these words as names for her pets. Even if she got it from jimmy wong’s video, it’s pretty freaking obvious what these terms mean.
I don’t think most of us knew they were bad words?
I’m not defending the use of them. I was just saying maybe it could be used out of ignorance, if that is the case hopefully the OP will apologize and change her buns names. Using them out of ignorance doesn’t make it right either, but I know some people who have used slurs out of pure not thinking when they hear them rather than meaning to insult anyone. My boyfriend last week used an Italian slur in a pizza place and I had to shut him up real fast because he had no idea what it meant – he thought it was a word to describe a style choice, not to degrade Italians. He heard it in a movie and didn’t pick up on the fact it was a racial joke (though common sense should lead one to that). Does it make the use of it any better? No. But it was a lot easier corrected than racism. I _hope_ it’s a similar case here. Not saying it makes the use any less offensive, or any better though.
Not knowing what they mean is just the reason most of us probably didn’t say anything. I for sure had NO idea they were bad words and looks like Lintini didn’t either.
I find it highly difficult to believe not one person here has heard the term before, seeing as Asians have been referred to as “ching chong chinamen” in FILMS, tv shows, books, cartoons, etc, since the early 1900’s. And I’m really curious to see what the OP could POSSIBLY think this term meant; it just sounds derogatory. Lindsey, I find it really hard to believe you haven’t heard of this term since you grew up in the bay area and I’m certain you have Asian American friends.
I’m sorry if you guys are turned off by my replies, but I’m not one of those subservient Asians. I’m outspoken, unafraid, and I’ve seen and experienced far too much bs in my life to stay quiet during something like this. I won’t apologize or feel bad for being offended, and rightfully so. Turning a blind eye to racism and prejudice doesn’t do jack to help anything, it only makes things worse. Still waiting on your response, trinnie..
Honestly no I haven’t heard those names before, I hang around musicians or starbucks folk that don’t really talk like that. I glanced over the names and didn’t give them a second thought. I don’t hang around people that would speak that way.
I am sorry you are offended Angie, I don’t like seeing my friends upset. I think it’s best to leave the thread up to the mods now and see what they want to do because if you are offended by it I am sure other members on this board are too or will be.
It didn’t even click with me Angie. I have heard it before, but usually I can just scan threads while at work these days, and it didn’t register. *hugs*
I am not turned off by your replies, I can’t say I understand the pain and offense such prejudice can bring because I have never had to experience it, so I won’t judge any reply. But I assure you, I had no clue what the term means. I can’t speak for everyone else, but I was also homeschooled and have been learning a lot of things most people think are common knowledge. I will for sure be on the lookout for it in things now that I know though, I agree there is no reason to turn a blind eye to prejudice. I always say things to people who say any slur, when I know them – even using “gay” as an insult. Prejudice to me is the same as animal abuse – being silent just makes you a silent supporter.
I don’t think anyone thinks you should apologize for being offended. You have a right to be offended to such terms with the meaning behind them. I’m sorry if you took what I said as thinking your response to it is wrong, I don’t think that at all. Actually, I agree with you that it shouldn’t be used, the buns should have a name change, an apology from the OP and hopefully an explanation. All that I meant was I hope the OPs actions were from ignorance not malice. I wasn’t saying anything AGAINST you, or your responses to it. Guess I am just trying to be optimistic and hoping two innocent little buns wouldn’t be used to further racism on purpose.
@Lindsey I think that’s what I’ll do, since it seems like I’m not going to get any response from the OP. I’ve gotten everything I needed to say off my chest, and once again I would just like to restate that if the OP does not want to change her bunnies names, that’s her choice, but I would prefer not to see [C and L] plastered all over the BB forums [I like this forum too damn much =P]. so, if the OP could just at least refer to them as C and L, that’s fine by me.
and if the OP doesn’t even want to do that.. well you can all tell I will type lots of angry words. =P *stomp*
I don’t think it’s entirely fair to put words in her mouth, especially since it seems like the vast majority of people on the board haven’t even heard these terms. Trinnie hasn’t been on in 6 days… she’s not ignoring you, she just has a life. I’m not saying to get over it, because I do think that some people are more sensitive to things and we generally have to respect that. But you just aren’t even willing to allow her an explanation… Linglong, as far as I know, isn’t a derogatory word at all… I could be wrong in that because I don’t know much about Asian history. It could just be names that she thought were cute.
By jumping to conclusions, you risk totally alienating her from this site which is a really great source of information for experienced and new rabbits owners alike. Would you want to get help from a community that’s totally judging you on what some person said?
I just think that she should be allowed to give an explanation of some sort. She hasn’t been on in days and you can’t expect people to drop everything going on in their lives to reply to some random person on a random forum. I’m sure she will get back on and if she isn’t totally freaked out, she can explain it. If it is derogatory, by all means go ahead and show what ever hostility you deem appropriate but until then, probably best to leave as is.
I do admire the fact that you brought it up, Angie. I think you have been a really good voice on this forum- about all things.
ETA: I don’t want this post to come off as rude/abrasive to either Trinnie or Angie. Just wanted to make that clear.
When I read the first post, it threw me off a little bit.
As a child, I was ‘teased’ by classmates because I was the only Asian in my classroom. I was called stupid names.
In my opinion, if someone is going to give their rabbit a name like that, they should look it up first
As for as [L] goes people say it to mock Asian Americans. It does indeed make me angry.
I’ve taken my last post down since Tate has contacted me privately and put things into perspective. I don’t want to start a huge mess here, and since the OP has not had the chance to reply I’ll leave it at this. Peace and bunnies.
I just received an alert about this and if I would have seen this post sooner, I may have emailed the original poster by now to discuss. I also don’t want to alienate anyone and want to give an opportunity to respond and make right. We are an understanding forgiving group when efforts are made to be sensitive and understanding.
I have to admit that I haven’t heard the term “Linglong”, but “ChingChong” definitely caught me off guard. (and then it being paired with LingLong” did give me a little cringe.) Though I am not Asian, part of my family is and so is my best friend, but even if that were not the case, I certainly understand why the terms are offensive.
But to gain some sort of understanding for people of my race — it would be like naming your white bunnies “cracker” and “honky” (showing my age!). Cracker by itself wouldn’t be bad — could be kind of cute if you are thinking of a cute as a little snack cracker —-, but if you name the second bunny “honky”….well it kind of puts a “theme” to it. If you want to name your bunnies that — totally your right, but in a forum where members will see it over and over…that can be an issue. Who.who wants to deal with that over and over.
But I also do believe that many people don’t fully “get it”. (for those that didn’t recognize the offensiveness right away). I really understand being oblivious to it especially if you don’t joke that way and are surrounded in a circle that is not exposed so much to that. I know that for me I was oblivious to many racist terms until I was much older – some derogatory terms I only learned about FROM my friends who are asian, african-american, gay, etc — because they were unfortunately exposed to the terms and the words were painfully burned in, and if they spoke about it, many times it would be the first time I had ever even heard of it. I know they were shocked that I had never heard a particular offensive term as they had dealt with the hurt of it for most of their lives. It was just the way I grew up and the people I surrounded myself with that I guess I was sheltered with–so I can understand how other members could be in that same position too. And for those that have been targets of offensive words, it must be impossible to understand how others are not so keenly aware.
WIth that said, I don’t think the OP is intentionally being offensive because who would knowingly do that? I think this is actually a good opportunity for learning. So I ditto Tate’s suggestion and let’s give the OP the time to respond and see where we go from there.
I will email the member and try to invite her respond but it would be an intimidating situation to return to for sure, so let’s just hope she understands and is sensitive to the issue.
Note: the full names will not be allowed to stay as is for the future. Bottomline is it is offensive regardless of intention.
This is a song from South Pacific - very popular in the 60s. It’s a video that you may not have seen on the subject.
I just want to echo what BB said because she and I are in remarkably similar circumstances regarding family and friends – and yet I too, had never heard these expressions. I want to thank Angie for putting it out there for us so we can address and deal with something that is offensive to our members regardless of it’s intent. I hope our new member sees this as a valid complaint and did not mean to offend, and will change it. [It may also be that she has found a home for these two bunnies and no longer needs our site. I didn’t quite understand if she was keeping them (having dogs) or just supplying their home until she found new owners.]
At risk of sounding Pollyanna here, I take it as a good sign that so many of us have never heard or used these derogatory, prejudicial names. It is a horrible element of human nature to insult those who are different from any self, and that practice is historically rampant in this country. Even the last decade has seen people come up with new names for new “enemies”. Who also are our neighbors, yet targeted for prejudice. It is ignorance on parade. [With 9/11 comiing up I’m sure you can think of new examples of that.]
But what strikes me here is that so many derogatory names have fallen out of the vernacular to such an extent that a new generation doesn’t even know what they were. As a Jew, I could name many such insulting names, but I never hear them. It’s because we have made great strides in teaching ourselves and our kids to stop doing that, stop using them, and to chastise (like Angie has ) those who do. That’s actually progress in the face of prejudice. To hear it from movies and videos is far removed from hearing it in your house by your parents and grandparents.
It may seem strange, but my feeling is, if you have to dislike someone, do it because you know them and don’t care for that person – not their race, religion or nationality. No longer using derogatory names is the path to that.
Thanks everyone for the calm and thoughtful discussion on this delicate topic. I think it’s a short step from global bunny love to global mankind love.
BB’s post sums my thoughts up perfectly. I have never heard those terms. I could recognize the “main” offensive slurs for many races/ethnic groups, but there are many times, for example, we might be watching an R-rated movie in the evening and I have to ask my husband multiple times what certain words mean. Had I known what it meant when I initially read it, it would have been alerted, edited, and the OP would have been emailed right then. I honestly had no clue, and from the welcome responses after mine, other members had no clue either. It’s never dawned on me to Google bunny names I don’t recognize on BB, but maybe in the future, I will. I have edited posts in which members have called their rabbits “gay” or “stupid”. That greatly offends me b/c those are terms that are offensive to the people I care about in my life. Likewise, if someone named a rabbit an African American slur, THAT is something I’d probably recognize immediately. My best friend is Korean, and I know some things that offend her, but those particular terms have never been discussed. Also, some racial or ethnic slurs are REGIONAL. In the Bay area, there may be more Asian slurs than there are in our little suburb of Cleveland, Ohio. Just another thought…
Angie, I’m saying this to hopefully explain to you why these terms were not caught and to apologize for the appearance of insensitivity on OUR part. It’s not possible to know every single thing, and for you or anyone… if you read a post that is offensive to YOU, PLEASE ALERT THE FORUM LEADERS. You don’t even need to respond to the post, just click the orange triangle at the top of the post. We did not get an alert until late, late last night.
BB edited the names out of the OP, but I will go ahead and edit the names out of Angie’s post.
Edited to add: I just read Pam’s post and she makes an excellent point about age groups. This made me think of a book I just read, “The Help”. It’s a new movie now, but for anyone not familiar with the story, it is about African American maids working in Caucasian homes, and the relationship between all of these women. There were several terms and ideas in that book that I have never been exposed to before, but then again… I did not grow up in Mississippi in the early 60s. It makes sense that those terms were foreign to me, they should be.
Angie, I have to admit that I did see the names and I did recognize them as racial slurs. I assumed the OP didn’t mean it as derogatory and just didn’t think it was my place to say something. It is, however, your place to say something and I commend you for sticking up for your heritage and bringing this issue to light. I think your request that the names not be used on the site is perfectly valid.
Just want to point out these names are NOT specific to the bay area. Asian Americans have been called c**** c**** chinamen [along with a whole other slew of names] in FILMS, music, shows, cartoons, and books since the early 1900’s. Just because some of you have not heard these terms, does not mean we are somehow a raceless/colorblind society. My guess is the majority of you are Caucasian, and obviously you all are not racist bigots, so of course you haven’t heard these terms. But, you would be very surprised how prevalent and accepted terms and attitudes are towards Asian Americans in this country, to this day. It’s such a shame.
Anyhow, I am holding out on the hope the OP did not mean these offensively and it was out of ignorance. Thank you all for your input and understanding!
Well hello, sorry I haven’t checked back in a while, in the process of moving.
Yes, I am very aware of what Chingchong and Linglong means. Honestly, I did not mean to offend anyone. I’m Asian. And I LOVE being Asian. I just thought it was hilarious naming my babies that. I do realize just because I’m Asian does not mean I get to be racist toward myself. But racial slurs themselves are only offensive because those who used them meant them to be offensive. I got the idea to name them that after seeing this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Z2tR28nts&feature=fvst
I’m sorry if the names of my bunnies offend you, but I personally think that girl’s ignorance is funny and it was just fun to call them that. People are so rigid these days (and I understand for good reasons) and everything is racist, I think we as a people need to view ourselves as a people and stop differentiating skin colors and what we say and how we say it. To be frank, if I told everyone I were Asian in the very beginning, a lot less people will have an issue with what I chose to call them.
I used to get extremely offended if people call me chink, sliteyes (MY EYES ARE ACTUALLY NOT SMALL, THANKYOU), or C. Now I just straight up ask them if they even know what it means, if they don’t I tell them, if they do, I give them a piece of my mind.
If the forum would like me to censor their names (use C and L) I will, but as to changing their names, that’s not happening, I do retain that right.
Angie, I just reread my reply, and I am not implying that you’re rigid. I meant we are just all on guard with our walls up about racial slurs because of past experiences, without the meaning, chingchong and linglong literally sounds funny. I’ve had my share of racial experience, and I absolutely understand why you are offended. All I’m asking is for you to detach the meaning from the names and just define them as: n. awesome bunnies. And the fact that I name them that actually allowed me to bring up the words in an inoffensive manner (friends have asked what the h@ll is C&L, and then I tell them what it means and they should probably never call anyone that).
Thank you for bringing it up.
And no Tate, you did not offend me, and I don’t have a life, my bunnies are taking over.
I don’t think anyone with a bunny has a life, we are just slaves to their whims. How are they handling the move?
Thank you for popping in and explaining, trinnie.
OOOPS SORRY — THIS IS BB in ADMIN MODE:
Posted By angie-la on 09/09/2011 09:47 AM
. But, you would be very surprised how prevalent and accepted terms and attitudes are towards Asian Americans in this country, to this day. It’s such a shame.
It is heart breaking actually. Though I have not heard of part of that term before, I have experienced first hand with my family and friend some ridiculous behaviors from strangers — not words, but just behaviors that blew me away.
My best friend was my maid of honor at my wedding in another state, which was a bit more rural and didn’t have much diversity. She was seriously the only Asian person there. You would have thought she was an alien by the looks she was gettting. I was dumbfounded at first and then i just felt irritated as I thought “Hello….people,what’s wrong with you, this is not the 1940s, this is 1999″ (well it was when this happened), and a waitress asked me what my friend wanted. I said….”I don’t know, you’ll have to ask her”. It was all so bizarre to me.
And another time, only about 4 years ago, in a similar area (I don’t want to name cities and states as I don’t want to generalize or insult all residents of an area) my brother, his wife (Taiwanese) and my nephews (asian/white) and I went to the grocery store. My brother and his family were too busy shopping to notice something I found terribly disturbing, but there was a family that gave them the most horrific look of disdain – almost a feeling of violence in it. And it was NOT a misunderstanding. They were mumbling things under their breaths but it was the looks that were the most disturbing. It was of just pure hatred - Like they’d be the type to wait out in the parking lot and start something. I stared back at them with a “Don’t you even think about it” look, but that didnt deter their looks of disgust. I told my brother about it so he could keep a look out.
So though I may be oblivious to certain words, I think it can also be the things that people don’t say that can be damaging,(and if I hadn’t been part of those experiences, I would be oblivious of that too — and that last experience was extremely shocking because it truly came from a belief that was demeaning to just the very “existence” of another person due to race.) And so though this thread has gone onto another direction for now, I am glad that this is something that has been brought up, because you don’t have to be of a particular race to speak up IF you notice something off…it’s just part of being the human race. Though in the forum….you can take action by using the “alert” button right away so we can get to it right away. You can also do it anonymously or even if you are “unsure”, better to hit an alert and just say…”not sure…but take a look at this”. (however, again, I do understand not recognizing something as well)
I want to make clear that I am not saying that this thread or the OP had any of the thoughts that I had experienced from others, I am just responding to Angie’s statement of how attitudes can still be infected to this day.
Helloworld!!
Posted By trinnie on 09/09/2011 11:55 AM
All I’m asking is for you to detach the meaning from the names and just define them as: n. awesome bunnies. And the fact that I name them that actually allowed me to bring up the words in an inoffensive manner (friends have asked what the h@ll is C&L, and then I tell them what it means and they should probably never call anyone that).
In this type of setting — it is impossible and an unrealistic expectation to ask a whole community to detach. Not everyone is going to read this thread and be prepped, and it shouldn’t be necessary for you to explain why you named them something that would offend someone right off the bat. If you tell your friends they should never call anyone that, then that means it would be offensive to alot of people. It’s great that you have come to terms with certain things that suit what is best for you, but for a “community”, I can’t allow offensive names to be used over and over. I wouldn’t allow it to happen for any other race, gender, religion, etc and so there won’t be an exception here.
So from now on — please use C & L.
Helloworld!!
Posted By trinnie on 09/09/2011 11:44 AM
To be frank, if I told everyone I were Asian in the very beginning, a lot less people will have an issue with what I chose to call them.
Actually, I would still be just as offended had I known this from the get-go. As a matter of fact, I think I’m even more disappointed and upset that you ARE an Asian American and still think it’s okay to name them these names. But, to each their own. This is not the place for me to get into that. As long as you refer to them as C & L, that’s all we ask.
Have you thought about the influence you have over others with regard to racial epithets? Some people might learn the names of your bunnies, see that you are an Asian American, and then take from that that it’s okay to say those terms when referring to other Asian Americans.
You’re taking on a responsibility of sorts by using these names, which I assume you will tell to your friends and family and others who might ask you about your pets. If even *one* person comes away from a conversation with you thinking that these terms are acceptable, then that alone is a negative outcome of your decision.
In this day and age, it is our responsibility to erase negative ethnic slurs, not make light of them and encourage their use, no matter how amusing you think they are.
I can see the first name being unknown to some, but the second one is unmistakably derogatory. After that, it doesn’t take much to realize that they are both offensive.
I am 1/4 Asian (Mongolian and Maori), I have natural blonde hair and “Asian” eyes. Personally I have had to deal with people asking me if “I’m dumb because I’m blonde or if I’m smart because I’m Asian”, people telling me I look like an anime character, and my Japanese teacher in front of the entire class has discussed several times how I should move to Japan to be a model because quote: “they love people like you”. I’ve heard the terms mentioned in the posts above and I just hope that everyone in the world can just stop using ALL ethnic/racial slurs. That’s just my opinion (:
bunnyfriend – Half Asian models are really popular in Japan. Some have gone there and became ‘talentos.’ I am not saying that you should, but there is a reason behind why your teacher said that. I too have to deal with ‘You are Asian, you are smart,’ crap. I actually suck at Math (I pulled Cs.. LOL).
Ohhhhh good to know I always thought she was being a little offensive! Haha yeah math and I are not friends
Hahaha, Math and I bump heads like you wouldn’t believe -___________-
I always hated the dumb blonde comments… thanks, but i was usually at the top of my class >.<
Hahah I hate dumb blonde jokes too and sometimes when someone makes one I like to point out that in my experience, the blondes who act dumb are usually fake blondes. ;P (not intended to be mean lol)
I am the least ‘Asian’ person among my friends. I don’t speak an Asian language, I don’t know how to use chopsticks, I don’t eat rice. I have really laid back parents (I’ve heard horror stories about Asian parents.. lol!!!) and I’m really thankful for that. But I REALLY love cute Japanese stuff hahaha
I had a customer come through my line and say “Your name is Brittany? You look like a Ming-lee.” I wanted to smack him. He has an Asian wife and half Asian children and I don’t think that gave him the right to say that -____-
Hahah bunnyfriend XD
Uggg that would make me so mad! I’m not very “Asian” either, neither our my parents but I do speak Japanese and am going to Japan this summer for some volunteer work/exchange program (:
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