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  • #1300630

    Elliriyanna
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    I rushed into getting Monty … A foolish decision … I didn’t know his wool would catch everything, or that he would huddle in his own pee. Or that he would be so finicky about anything and everything I tried to do with him … To the point he wont eat if I am nearby. 

    I am not the owner he needs I am not the person that can work on bonding a rabbit who has been outside and is terrified, who thinks myself and my dog are the end of the world. 

    I can’t handle the constant worry that he doesnt eat or drink. The vet says he is healthy but I still worry daily about his fluid and food intake. 

    So … I have decided to foster Monty … To keep him until he finds the right home for him. Because I honestly do not feel that that is here. 


    #1732745

    The Law Bun
    Participant

    Sorry to hear you have had such a bad experience :/. I assume you will get differing reactions, but I think you are making a wise decision to get him a better equipped family and a courageous decision to continue to foster him. However, I do hope that you take something and have learned a valuable lesson; that you shouldn’t rush these important decisions.

    One of my favorite quotes is this- “There is something to be learned from a rainstorm. When meeting with a sudden shower, you try not to get wet and run quickly along the road. But doing such things as passing under the eaves of houses, you still get wet. When you are resolved from the beginning, you will not be perplexed, though you still get the same soaking. This understanding extends to everything.”

    In other words, you are looking at prey animals. Yes, you may have gotten lucky with your first, but you shouldnt just be going around buying rabbits thinking they will be purpose. One way or another, the rabbit will be a rabbit and will do some of the stuff you are discussing here. Rabbits can be divas, rabbits have weird diets especially young ones, and un litter box trained rabbits may sit in their pee (I mean they eat and poop in the same spot). No different than rain will be rain . Either way, but of luck to you in your future rabbit endeavors, just be a wee bit more careful


    #1732748

    Elliriyanna
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    I have a disorder … Impulsiveness is part of it … I thought I had it under control but CLEARLY I do not … I THOUGHT I was making the right choice adopting sooner rather than later but looking back I was stupid.

    I can not bond two rabbits at the same time, I cant learn with two … I just cant … its like having two puppies … Just not a good idea.

    I never expected them to be the same and Tenzin still needs more work. I guess I didn’t put enough thought into the fact I could not bond them at the same time.

    Also Monty was not really a purchase he was taken from a bad home. He was living outside in a teeny wire breeder hutch and fed grass. Even if I dont keep him he WILL be in a better situation.

    Its really a matter of … I need Tenzin to be better about People before I even try another bun or else everyone suffers.


    #1732750

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    I would not call Monty a bad experience. I still care about him and I can deal with the behaviors. But Not all at once. I need to get through Tenzins issues first. Monty is a good boy with a rough past but I will never call him a mistake. Even if its not with me I will help him.

    My goals right now are simple 

    – Get Monty in the perfect home for him ( no rush) 

    – Neuter Tenzin 

    – work on Bonding with Tenzin 

    Once those are done we will reassess getting a second rabbit, with a preference for already altered rabbits. 

    Other than the buns I have a few things going on so I need to work through a few things at the moment. I did not know about some of these things when I agreed to take in Monty. 


    #1732798

    LBJ10
    Moderator

    I know that you’re feeling overwhelmed. I totally get that. Bunnies can definitely come with baggage that needs to be worked through. As you said, there is no rush to find Monty a new home. Take things one day at a time and who knows, maybe he will start to come around before you find someone who is willing to take him.

    I do have to ask though. Were you trying to bond them while they are both intact? I’m a little confused by your post. I don’t understand if you mean bonding the bunnies with each other or if you mean building a bond between you and them individually.


    #1732871

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    No I never let my boys together. I was trying to bond the boys to ME … Not to each other. And its difficult. It really is like trying to train two puppies at the same time. And I just don’t think I have it in me.

    I have had MANY emails about him … But Its all about finding the right home for him … There has been a lot of ” no sir I do not think he is the right pet for your child” or ” I am sorry but I would prefer him to be an indoor bunny” and a lot of people thinking commercial cages are ok.


    #1732877

    JackRabbit
    Participant

    I think its great that you’ve come to terms with your limitations, that you saved him from a bad situation, that you’re going to foster him (and not just get rid of him), and that your main concern is finding him the right home. It takes strength and maturity to do all of those.


    #1732884

    Hazel
    Participant

    I’m sorry, don’t beat yourself up though. If things just don’t work out, it’s great that you can face that fact rather than ignore it and try to limp along, which wouldn’t be good for you or Monty.

    I’d take him…


    #1732896

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    Thank you. I made this post fully expecting to take a bashing.

    To make things worse tenzin is so mad at me he won’t even take his veggies from me.

    I know I have made a lot of mistakes both current and past with pets that I just couldn’t find a way to foster before adopting. So this is hitting me really hard.


    #1732909

    LBJ10
    Moderator

    Elliriyanna – I don’t think anyone here would bash you for doing what you feel is best for Monty. You did the right thing by taking him out of a bad situation, so that’s all that really matters. And please don’t take my question personally, I just wanted to clarify what the issue was. Some bunnies need a lot of time and patience to help them come out of their shells. If having one difficult case on your hands is too much for you, no one will blame you for admitting that. That takes guts.


    #1732910

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    I was an aggressive rat foster and have worked with MANY difficult animals. Thats not really the problem. Its having two of them that both need work right here and now. And splitting my time and feeling like I am failing with both is hard. I know I am not failing, and I know it takes time. But its emotionally hard work watching your pets dart from you when you want to touch them or worry about both of their eating habits, while still finding out who likes what veggies , which hay they like etc. I feel like once I have one established with me it will be easier to assess getting a second. and then bonding the second to me.

    I am not taking it personally. I understand. Its just been hard.


    #1732915

    HappyHollandDays
    Participant

    I think its very brave of you to not only admit this to the BB community, but also to yourself. My mom always tells me “we are our own worst critic”. I think it’s wonderful you came to the conclusion soon, and before either of them could suffer from not bonding with you. Not to mention that you are so committed to finding Monty the right home. I applaud your determination. As for expecting a bashing, in my short time here, I have found BB to be and extremely welcoming, kindhearted, forgiving community. Good on you for rehoming him so that he can have his best chance. best of luck in your search for Monty’s furever home!


    #1732916

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    Thanks. He is making progress as an indoor bunny. Peeing in his litter box and actually munching his veggies while I tried hand feeding tenzin his ( he is still very upset about Mondays vet appointment)


    #1732933

    LBJ10
    Moderator

    Oops… I meant “if having two difficult cases”, not one. Sorry. Sometimes I’m thinking something and somehow that’s not what gets typed. =\


    #1732948

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    I do that all the time …think I sent a message I didnt, or skip over a sentence because I thought I typed it.


    #1732959

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    Odd …. hazel I can’t link to your profile or find you on the members list . .. I am not having trouble with anyone else


    #1733140

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    Well Still lots of Interest in Monty but no real potential owners. But I figure if they cant get through some questions and maybe send pics of their set up then they don’t deserve him anyway.

    If he doesn’t have a home by next friday I have to take my dog to the vet ( the same clinic but a different actual vet) and I will get a print out of the check up to send with him. I have the invoice and I filled out his birth date breed and color. Because for bunnies my vet doesn’t do that … Which i find odd.

    I could probably get even more interest in him if I posted a picture but I won’t … If they are that serious about getting a rabbit they should not be basing things off looks. And it also shouldn’t be their first question. Sorry … I am picky. 


    #1733157

    JackRabbit
    Participant

    I understand you being picky, but a picture will generate more interest and there are an awful lot of bunnies out there waiting to be adopted. Sometimes its the look in the bunnies eyes that catches someone’s attention, sometimes its certain markings, sometimes its that the bunny reminds them of a beloved pet that has passed on, so many reasons why we choose one bunny over another. I’m actually looking at possibly adopting a bunny who is losing his home for the second time — he’s adorable, but he has the saddest look on his face in the pic online and that grabbed my heart.


    #1733162

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    I understand and thats possible. But I would rather not have interest generated just from his looks. I posted that he is a blue eyed white. And if they seem like a good home I am more than willing to share pictures.


    #1733176

    MarkBun
    Participant

    First off, congratulations on knowing your limits. Too often people will continue to struggle because others can do it, why can’t I? But each rabbit is different and it may just not be a good fit. It doesn’t sound like you gave him 3 days and gave up.

    Secondly, kudos to you for not simply surrendering him to a shelter but trying to find a good home for him yourself. Most other people would simply abandon him. No matter what you may think of yourself, I feel that you are an incredible person with the way you’re handling this. And I’ve worked at a rabbit rescue for over 7 years now.


    #1733206

    The Law Bun
    Participant

    First off, I apologize about the length of this post, but some of this has to be said. While I applaud you for trying to find the right home for Monty and making sure you get a serious owner, I think you may be a bit over doing it by not showing a picture. Think about it from the eyes of the truly researched and intelligent bunny purchaser. I had over 300 pages of bunny material before I started looking for an actual bunny. I wanted to be informed on diet, care, behavior tips, and ultimately how to select the best rabbit. So here’s a few things I think (just opinion) that a truly informed rabbit purchaser is going to want

    1) They need a picture to ensure there are no obvious defects. You are simply some stranger claiming you have a rabbit for sale and then putting people through the gauntlet to test for interest and potential suitability. If I am that potential purchaser NO WAY I am going to go through all of that work only to find out in a wal mart parking lot that Monty is disabled (he obviously isn’t but that’d be my fear). I might also be also be afraid you are hiding the photo because of a glaring medical issue like runny nose, eye discharge etc.

    2) In my research beforehand, there is a pretty substantial amount of research regarding breed and temperament. Many will disagree here, and I DEFINITELY understand that individual rabbit personality trumps breed, but you cannot deny that breed plays into the personality of the rabbit. Therefore when I was searching for a rabbit I specifically narrowed my search to a breed I thought would be good and that I liked the look of and then started meeting with them to get individual personality. Therefore you certainly should be telling people at least breed.

    3) Requirements of the person’s home. I cannot tell you how many times I have gone to purchase an item online from a stranger (i.e. craigslist), they give me certain dimensions and when I finally meet them to pick it up its totally skewed. Its either way to big for the space I have or too small for what I need. So take my situation, I was a grad student with a decent sized cage but certainly knew that I could only have a rabbit of a certain size. Now, take dutches for example (small-medium breed size) like Lilith. You may have said its a dutch in the advertisement, but I as an informed purchaser am going to go no further in the buying process until I see that photo and know exactly how big the breed is to know it works for me. Monty is 2 years old (from your older posts I had to look up) so hes not growing anymore. Therefore I know as a smart consumer his size is his size, and it definitely matters for those of us with size limitations. Therefore pictures will help draw initial interest in people who are looking for the right size.

    4) Hair texture and length. I knew from the get go I wanted a short haired rabbit, I knew I wouldn’t have time to groom all the time and knew that they shedded more. Now for other people who desire lionheads or more wooly breeds, there is a very large difference in the coats of various angoras for example. Therefore, if I am interested in Monty and get blindsided by his coat, boom you just lost a great potential customer. Quite simply if you say he has a very wooly coat, I for sure would want to see it beforehand. 

    5) Length of time to acquire Monty- From my perspective, think of the work you are putting these potential purchasers through. Now, I TOTALLY am for it. I think you need to find the right home. But you are demanding questions, potential pictures of housing, and requiring them to be a good fit. That’s a lot of work for a potential purchaser and for them to later find out its not suitable for them (i.e. points 1-4), is frustrating. I went through this with a local stranger before I found Lilith. Found a boy bunny, sounded great, pictures looked great, only to find out when I got there the pictures were about 4 months old and the bunny before me was totally unsuitable for my lifestyle. Therefore, why am I going to work so hard to buy from a stranger when I can simply go visit my local shelters who have photos of the bunnies, accurate descriptions, and then require me to fill out the application. Its just not worth it to go through your whole process only at the end to find out its a different bunny. Even if you say, “will send photos after you answer the following lifestyle questions,” I would be turned off.

    6) Quite frankly, cuteness sells. I understand your concern about not picking based on looks, and I respect that decision therefore you can disregard this point if necessary. However, its all over the internet that shelters who post good quality photos of their animals find furever homes faster (i.e. http://www.mnn.com/family/pets/photos/shelter-dogs-benefit-from-the-power-of-a-photo/macy-has-quite-a-mug-and-those). Quite frankly I think you are doing a disservice to the Monty by not taking a photo of him. He is a beautiful rabbit, and if you are drawing people to him they are simply going to go to petfinder and pick the first lop or gorgeous lionhead they find. A photo is necessary to draw attention to your post (especially considering Monty’s bad behavior). If he ends up in your home for the next 5 months, while I am sure you would stick with it, you certainly won’t express the same love as a family who truly has time to bond with him. I think its almost a disservice therefore that you aren’t putting a nice photo of him up and showing off his beautiful coat 

    However, I understand you want a family to pick not based on looks. But what is REALLY the difference between them answering the lifestyle questions before or after they see Monty? The answers won’t change. The picture of their pen set up isn’t going to change. The only difference is they have more interest, so you draw a large number of potential owners, and thus a larger pool to find him the best home. I don’t understand the reasoning that, “they saw his photo beforehand thus for some reason its going to hinder my ability to find him the proper home.” I would think you would want the largest possible sample size from which to pick. 

    Ultimately, this is just my opinion of the situation. You certainly don’t have to respect it or listen I am just giving my point of view with what I believe are very good points to support my conclusion. I just don’t want Monty missing out on great owners .

    side note

    Lastly, after looking through your older posts, I think, if possible you should move Tenzin and Monty out of the same room. They aren’t neutered and I think you are just going to stay frustrated with litter box habits. Who knows, maybe if Monty is placed in a neutral territory of his own, is neutered  this month, you may find he turns out to have fantastic litter box habits and a better personality. If you keep 2 uneutered rabbits side by side, without bonding them, expect terrible habits. Perhaps he huddles in his own pee because he is scared of being in another rabbit’s territory. Maybe you already did move him, in which case disregard this and this side note is truly my opinion and is really unsupported by much else than my previous reading of bonding stories. 


    #1733210

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    Monty is now litter trained. No more huddling in pee. ( he really only did that to get away from me anyway)

    Also … I offer a picture after asking only about caging and diet very fair questions.

    And in the post the first thing I state is that he is a male blue eyed white lionhead

    That’s really all a matter of opinion … Thank you for the time … But its my time I am spending screening homes and such.


    #1733211

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    There is something important you also need to realize. I don’t want his old owner seeing him and trying to get him back. She didn’t take proper care of him.


    #1733215

    LBJ10
    Moderator

    I think that as long as you provide enough information and you are forthcoming with pictures, etc when potential adopters ask, then it’s fine. My only concern, if I was a potential adopter, is making sure that the bunny exists and it isn’t some sort of scam. No picture in the advertisement doesn’t bother me, but I would be suspicious if the person trying to rehome the rabbit could not produce a picture when asked.


    #1733220

    Elliriyanna
    Participant

    I took pictures of him today and set my camera to mark them with the date so they know they are recent.

    I have nothing to hide personally and will be sending him with the invoice from the vet ( I don’t have the print out) which shows he was examined and required no meds etc.

    I just care about him and if being strict about his home means I keep him here a bit longer I am not too concerned.


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