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FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Bramble has Gi Slowdown again!

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    • kirstyol
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        So Bramble was due for his check up after his last bout of Gi Slow-down/molar spurs. Our vets have just moved into a brand new purpose built vet hospital just ten minutes away from us so we were maybe a week late with his check up.

        He has been great since recovering from the last time and I had called yesterday to make him an appointment for this afternoon.

        Almost as if he sensed it was time for the vets, last night I noticed the tell tale signs of his tummy troubles. Whenever he gets ill he lies down in the litter box and stays there, he never does that any other time. I grabbed some veggies instantly and offered him them and he refused. So we spent the rest of the night between trying to encourage him to eat and syringe feeding him and I called the vet first thing to move our appointment forward to this morning.

        The vet says he is not in full stasis but his gut has slowed down a good bit. This is the exact same thing that happens every time. The last time the vet we seen (who we had never seen before) told us it was his teeth because his spurs were starting to come back but I wasn’t convinced since he had been eating fine then just stopped all together but his teeth were done and after a long week or so of syringe feeding and daily vet visits he was fine.

        This time the vet says the teeth are almost certainly not the problem, but he doesn’t know what is. I am at my wits end with this, we cannot find a reason why this keeps happening. Sometimes its only for a few hours he is like this and I assume its gas, other times he can go days without eating or drinking of his own accord. He always bounces back eventually but I am worried that this wont always be the case as he gets older, he is two at the end of the month so still a young bun at the moment. Can he really carry on like this when he is 8 or 9 years old?

        The vets haven’t ran any tests or anything at this point because they have always been convinced its either gas or his teeth. But they did say if it carries on happening they will need to do x-rays and bloods. I would do anything to make him better and he is insured so the money is not a problem so what else can I do? I know sometimes a rabbit’s diet is to blame but the two of them get the absolute best of everything, the best nuggets and the freshest veggies, they are better fed than we are! Their diet is always the same (I rotate things to prevent boredom but they don’t get anything they haven’t had before) and I have never noticed a pattern with him getting like this after eating particular things. I am going to reduce their nuggets even more, our other rabbit still has a bit more weight to lose so it will maybe be good for both of them. I don’t know what else to try though? Has anyone had a similar experience and has any ideas what I can do to try and help him? He is only going a matter of six to eight weeks between bouts of illness these days and I just feel so bad for him.

        The only good thing is that he does tolerate syringe feeding, its almost as if he is getting used to it because he is getting better with it every time we need to do it, hardly fights us at all these days.


      • LittlePuffyTail
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          Sorry to hear he is unwell.

          My buns are on very limited pellets because my vet suspected that was the cause of frequent unexplained GI upset. Maybe you could try (with vet’s approval) changing his diet a bit. My two only get about 1 tbsp of pellets per day and since reducing it, the frequency has been reduced. With reduced pellets you need to make sure you are offering a good variety of fresh greens.


        • kirstyol
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            Reducing pellets is the only thing I can think of to try. They have been getting a wee bit extra for the last few months because bramble looses weight every time this happens so the vet suggested giving a bit more pellets even though our other bun is still a little over weight (he was really over when we rescued him) since rons weight has been stable and bramble does gain his back in between illness this seems to be working well but its the only thing I can think of to try so will speak to the vet tomorrow. Its difficult because they eat together and I have one slightly overweight bun and one who looses weight easily.

            Bramble just ate a salad leaf of his own accord and is currently washing off all the syringed food he managed to spit all over himself. So I am happy now, its about 26 hours since he has eaten of his own accord so very happy to see him eat even just a tiny bit.

            I will speak to the vet tomorrow when we go in about maybe reducing pellets even just a tiny bit, bramble hadnt lost any weight since last time when we were there today but is still 50 grams under his original weight so I don’t know how he will feel about it. It might increase his hay intake too which would help with the spurs too.


          • LittlePuffyTail
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              When Bindi was losing weight, my vet suggested feeding him Critical Care several times a day. He, luckily, is happy to eat when I mix it with warm water.

              Best of luck at the vet.


            • kirstyol
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                We seen the same vet yesterday as we had seen the day before and when I asked him about possibly changing the bunnies diet to help Bramble he admitted to me that he actually doesn’t know that much about rabbits! I am fuming mad, our vets are a small animal specialist practice and all the staff we have ever seen before have been rabbit savvy but they have taken on a lot of new staff since moving into the new hospital last month and changing from a normal vet practice to a full 24/7 animal hospital. Clearly some of their new staff don’t have the same credentials as the ones we are used to. I cant believe I take my rabbit in with a life threatening illness and they sent us to see someone who knows very little about rabbits.

                When we go back next month I will make sure we see one of the original vets because that is just not on if you ask me. I know the existing staff really well since we are there often with Bramble and I am very surprised that this happened because they know Bramble really well and know he has these ongoing tummy issues so I find it odd that they would make us an appointment with someone who doesn’t know rabbits all that well.

                Anyway, the good news is that Bramble is back to normal he was hopping around the new vets like a bun possessed and was having great fun meeting people in the waiting room and getting lots of pets. His weight is stable thank goodness so he hasn’t lost anything this time but could still do with gaining back the 50 grams he is short on since last time this happened. The vet wasn’t too concerned about that but what does he know?

                LittlePuffyTail: Bramble always gains his weight back almost straight away, the last time he lost almost 200 grams in a few days and is still 50 grams short of his original weight but usually he comes right back up when he starts eating normally again. The problem is that because they are completely bonded, what you do to one you do to the other so any change we make in Bramble’s diet we are also making in Ron’s. Ron is actually still a little overweight and Bramble still slightly under so its a tricky one. We have been trying to give bramble wee extra handfuls of veggies when Ron isn’t looking and things like that. Our usual, rabbit savvy vet said not to carry on feeding the rescue plus (just like cc) once he starts eating normally again because it can actually fill him up and therefore discourage him from eating normally, its hard to know the right thing to do.


              • LittlePuffyTail
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                  I can see why you are mad! Paying good money to see a vet who is not rabbit savvy. And even putting your buns life at stake by having someone else see him.

                  My vet’s office has 5 vets but only one of them is rabbit savvy. I always make sure to request her specifically if it’s a new staff member on the phone. Most of the staff know Bindi very well and know I only want to see her unless it’s an emergency.


                • marinabunny
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                    My bunny is currently going through the same thing, actually for the past year. A few weeks of being normal and then a few weeks later GI issues again… So I know how frustrating it can be! The vet suggested to completely take pellets out of her diet, which if I try, I’ll let you know how it goes. I’m currently just reducing the amount of pellets she gets and I’m not sure if its helping yet or not… too soon to say. Right now trying to adjust her diet and reducing pellets seems to be the way to go since we have tried EVERYTHING with our bunny.

                    I don’t have much else to add but good luck and it’d be interesting to see what others have to say.


                  • Bam
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                      Have you tried a probiotic? There are types now that are really good for rabbits. My bunnies have had GI-trouble this winter (gas, sticky poop) and 6 weeks ago, I got them two types of probiotics. It has really helped, especially the type that has enterococcus fecium, or maybe both together because the real improvement came when I started giving them both. Here’s an article on probiotics for rabbits that I found recently: http://www.vettimes.co.uk/article/beneficial-bacteria-in-pet-rabbits/ It’s long, but it has interesting info.

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