Vibes needed for my 3 day old rejected baby…

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

I’m going to keep trying to get him back in the nest but it’s not looking good…

So please spare some vibes and luck for this little fighter. I’m trying him on KMR milk replacer and he’s tucked in my shirt to warm up right now. He’s fighting for sure…

but we need some luck…

[PeppersMama]

oh no! i hope he pulls through! keep him nice and warm! ((((vibes)))) for the little guy!

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

I’m just not sure how to keep him warm tonight … I don’t even have a heating pad yet…

[Scarlet_Rose]

Come on baby, you can do it! Good **vibes** headed your way!

[PeppersMama]

oh no Just wrap him up in a towel i suppose! i have a heating pad, if i lived in canada i would bring it to you!!

[Scarlet_Rose]

Do you have a hot water bottle? How about any bulk flax seed and fabric? I know it sounds like an outrageous thing to have on hand but I have bulk flax seed I sew up in 100% cotton fabric and put in the microwave to heat up and use as a warming pad. Another thought, run a hand towel under hot water, place in a plastic bag and cover with another towel. I know it won’t last real long, but it helps. You can also use a lamp too, but be very careful of overheating with them.

[osprey]

I have never used it, but some people on rabbits online use a sock filled with rice, then microwaved as a heating pad.  I have used a snuggle safe, those work very well.

 

[Beeslee]

Oh lots of bunny vibes for the little one. I just did a search and came up with this. Hope it helps.

Things You’ll Need:
uncooked rice (not instant) See list for more filler ideas
Ribbon or string
Tube socks
Ziplock Freezer bag
Step1 Simply fill a ziploc freezer bag (make sure it’s the microwaveable kind) 3/4 full with uncooked rice (NOT instant!), seal shut.
Step2 Heat for a minute or two then wrap in a hand towel and use as needed.
Step3 You can also fill a clean tube sock, tie closed the open end, heat and use as needed

Filler Options:

Uncooked rice
Wheat
Feed corn
Buckwheat hulls
Barley
Oatmeal
Beans
Flax seed
Cherry pits

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Great ideas Scarlet and Bunykins…I do have a sock and I do have rice/freezer bag.
I’ve attempted to get him back in the nest and so far so good…but I will be checking throughout the night to make sure he’s still in there…

[Scarlet_Rose]

My fingers are crossed!

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Mine as well! There is a lot of screaming/squeaking going on in the nest…

[Beeslee]

I’ll have my bunny toes crossed also!

[Scarlet_Rose]

Keep your eye out and keep putting the baby back. Remember Lisa had the same problem with one baby too and the mum took to it after a couple of rounds of putting the babe back in the nest with the others.

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Yeah, I was thinking about that earlier today. I will keep trying. I think in the beginning they pushed him out because he was so cold, but I warmed him up and he’s been back in for a while…so…*CROSSED!!!*
I’m off to read Lisa’s posts about that baby…

[TARM]

I hope the little baby pulls through and his family lets him back in!

[MimzMum]

Oh dear, I was wondering why I hadn’t seen posts from LL in awhile….

Please pull through little bunner! We’re all praying for you!

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Gah, just got up (9am) and he was booted again, is ice cold…still moving…I’m going to heat up that rice bag and get him in a little mini-nest of my own and go into town to get one of those pet heating pads. Gosh how frustrating… I know that nature knows best and there must be a reason for this, but if I can save him I’m going to save him…

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Okay, I did the rice sock and he’s in a shoebox with my cashmere sweater and the sock…he’s still pretty cold. His littermates are twice his size with huge pudgey bellies…it’s obvious he did not even get fed last night I am so worried about him aspirating this milk..but I’m going to keep trying.

[Sarita]

He does need to be kept warm in order to digest – you need to get him to a wildlife rehabber though – they need special formula – KMR is not enough it does not have enough protein or something – not a rehabber but know them and that’s not adequate and I also would be concerned about aspiration.

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

LL This is what a breeder friend told me: Often if they crawl away from mom they will get hypothermic and look/feel dead. She revives them by running them under warm water, while held in a ziplock bag (obviously the bag isn’t zipped shut, just protecting them from getting wet). She said that’s often all it takes.

I’ll contact her about a bunny kicked out of the nest…any other details I could give her?

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Well, I’m feeding him and pooping him successfully.
He’s eating without aspirating and he’s pooping little poops (so cute).
I got a snuggle buddy (microwaveable heating pad) that is designed for animals.

[Battie]

Oh, poor baby! I’m glad things are looking up!

{{{{{{{little one}}}}}}}

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

I know it’s still very early but he’s doing really well…I know they be gone in a flash unexpectedly but I’m hopeful!

[osprey]

Hang in there tiny baby, we are all pulling for you….

 

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Does anyone know if there’s a “safe now” cut off? I know when they’ll start nibbling at normal food, but…I wonder when he’ll be “okay”…probably not until he’s off milk…

[osprey]

They’ll start to nibble solid food at around 3 weeks or so, but they need moms milk for at least 4, preferably 6 weeks.  I do not want to scare you here, but be prepared – many hand raised babies develop intestinal complications at about 4 weeks and many perish.  Ideally, you’ll get him over this hump and then mom will take care of him again.  He will need her milk and cecotropes to innoculate his digestive system with good bacteria.

[msarro]

Good luck little guy

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

It’s not even mom rejecting him. It’s the bloody babies in the nest, they keep kicking him out since now he’s smaller and weaker than them.

[Bob]

Hang in there baby bunny buddy… you’re in good hands!

[osprey]

When I was trying to save one of the babies I was fostering, I was able to get him some supplemental time with the mother by holding her on my lap on a small blanket, and gently nudging the baby on his back under her.  If you can calm the mom down by petting, the baby can find the nipple and maybe get some milk away from his siblings.  If you are careful, you can even feel the nipple with your finger and guide the baby towards it.

Goo luck LL.  I know from personal experience how nerve wracking this can be.  Is it possible to build a “wall” around the nest from rolled up blankets and towels so that they baby cannot fall out?

 

[MimzMum]

The ‘runt’ is always my favorite. Just keep thinking Wilbur

I had to hand raise a litter of kittens (due to the mom’s death) and a litter of pups (because my dog had more than she had drinking fountains for) and man, they don’t sound anywhere NEAR as difficult as this!

Good luck to you LL, and that poor little guy! I sure hope he makes it!

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Hey guys

 

Here are some pictures of my little guy…

[MimzMum]

OMG!!!! *faints from cuteness* He’s SOOOOO Tiny! And so sweet!
How long till the eyes open?
And who’s the mum?

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Kibou is the mum…and eyes should open around 10 days old I have more pics I will post soon…I have some of the healthy babies too if ya wanna see

[TARM]

Oh my…naked baby bunny…I am in love! I will simply cry buckets if he doesn’t make it…

PLEASE STAY WITH US LITTLE BUNNY!

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Here are a few more pics of the little guy or gal…

Dried formula on his little head, he’s not flaky.

This pic just reminds me of a baby in ICU or something…

 

[MimzMum]

Kibou? Really! Oh my, then I am doubling my prayers, simply because Kibou is one of my faves of your bunny brood! ^_^

Hmmm…I’m thinking it’s a boy…so with my guessing gender track record…

…it’s probably a girl. ^_^

[RabbitPam]

LL,
How did I miss this? I didn’t know Kibou had a litter. I love her too. (Who’s the father?)

He is so precious. You are doing wonderfully with him, so am sending you both {{{{{{{{{{{{healthy vibes}}}}}}}}}}}}}}.

YES! Pix of the others please.

[MooBunnay]

Good luck little bunny! You are doing a good job being a faux-bunny mom. I hope that he makes it – Osprey’s idea of trying to give the baby some alone time with mom sounds like a really good idea. Let us know if it works!

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Rye is the father, my broken orange holland lop…she had them on Saturday August 9th…so they’re 4 days old today!

Here are the 4 other healthy, fat kits:

The nest today…

Baby # 1, who is going to look just like Kibou:

Baby # 2:

Baby #3:

Has dark ears and a littttle stripe down its back….

Baby #4…

And, baby #4’s little teeth!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MimzMum]

AAAAHHHH!!!! Loppy, you’re killin’ me with adorability here! *dies*

I love the SNOOT piccy! Oh, I sure wish New Brunswick was closer to Alaska, I think you’d have a hard time keeping me away from those little cuties! ^_^

[Beeslee]

OMG how cute are they!!!! First time I have ever seen a baby bun!!! I hope the runt makes it because he/she sure looks like a fighter to me and sooo cute.

Bunny hugs to each and every one of them!!1

[osprey]

LionLop, your mom will need loads of calories to make up the deficit of creating the babies and producing milk.  She will need extra food to keep up milk production.  While she is nursing, you can free feed her pellets and alfalfa hay for added calories.

 

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Oh I know, I know what to do for her.

[Binkles]

OMG KAAYOOOOOOOOOT!!! 8DD

I have a place in my heart for runts too. I’d be willing to bet just about anything that my Baby Bit was the runt of her litter, being that she was so small and sickly.

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Well, let’s give tonight another go …he’s in the nest right now and they are not fighting, but sleeping together. Kibou JUST hopped in for the nightly feeding…*crosses fingers*

[osprey]

oooh, good!  Hopefully you’ll see a full set of little ping pong ball bellies on all of the babies after she’s done.

 

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

LL I emailed a friend of mine who has bred for years, and is registered with ARBA (responsible breerder ) and told her what’s happening-hopefully she’ll have some tips soon!!

VIBES for your little peanut

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

OK this is what my friend said, shes going to take a look at your pics, and will be able to say if it’s a ‘peanut’ or maybe just a runt.

 

“well.. It COULD be what is called a peanut.. peanuts very rarely live.. sometimes they live a few days, other times a few weeks if you force feed them, but unfortunatly 98% of the time, their organs do not develop properly and they can not digest any milk.
Can she take a picture of it? I can tell right away if it is a peanut. If she can’t… Ask her if it has a more bulb shaped head and really tiny ears set back on its head… also check its bum/hips.. if its back end starts to shrivel, all hope is lost and it is best to put it out of its misery… it is just slowly starving to death( even though it may look like it is nursing.. it is not)
If it is just a runt.. still shaped like the others but smaller, she can try doing a force nursing with the mom. Take all the babies away ( nest and all) and twice a day feed the babies. Hold mom on her back firmly and one at a time **always hold your hand over the baby incase mom suddenly moves or kicks .. the baby will go flying** ( once she is comfortable doing it she can feed a few at a time).. but at first.. do one at a time place them on her belly.. she may have to milk a nipple a bit and put the baby on it… she will see their belly swell…
if the doe is a calm mothering type she can then put the baby’s bum over her nose and mommy will lick the bum so it pee’s.. if she does not.. take a warm wet cloth and rub its bum gently to stimulate it to pee.
If this works and she can save the baby, in about a week she can put the nest back with mom and she will take them back. if the baby is a peanut, she should not try and save it!!!!! and leave mom to raise the rest. You can give her my email or phone # if she has any more questions as well.
What breed are they?”

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Thanks for contacting your friend, Kokanee…
I don’t think he’s a peanut – but I posted pics above…
Breed is Lionhead x Holland Lop…
He’s been in the nest all night. I searched the cage and he hasn’t been booted out…*crosses fingers*

[TARM]

  Why does there have to be such a thing as peanut babies?

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

You guys…

I think the baby’s gone. He was in the nest last night…and I just did a more thorough check and he’s not there. When I checked earlier, I thought I counted 5 in the nest. There’s only 4. And this time I really pulled everything apart.

Would Kibou have… eaten him? Would she have known something was wrong?

Where did he go? He’s not there…he can’t have fallen out of the cage, it’s got plastic sides.

He’s…gone…

[osprey]

I am so sorry, LL.  Bunnies can eat their babies, particularly first time moms.  It is nature’s way of conserving protein.  When I lost the tiny baby Lucky, it was a shock and very sad.  I know how much it hurts.  Now you can concentrate on the surviving litter and mom.  It is very hard on us as caretakers, but it is nature’s way of eliminating undesirable genes from the gene pool.

A peanut is a genetic defect that comes from getting the dwarfing gene from both the mother and father.  They rarely survive.  There is another condition called something like microencephaly where the baby fails to grow because the skull is too small and there is no room for the brain to grow.  I think this is what was wrong with Lucky.

 

{{{Binky Free, tiny baby}}}

 

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

Is Kibou the dad??? Is he around the babies?

If that’s right, Dad needs to be taken away because he can hurt the babies AND get mom pregnant again!!

 

*smacks head* ok Kibou is mom Sorry!!!

[LittlePuffyTail]

So sorry about the baby LionLop. I’m sorry I havent been following this post, how could I have missed it. I didn’t even know your bun was pregnant.

If you need help finding homes for the babies ( I assume your not gonna keep them all?) I could try to help you.

[Binkles]

Awww poor baby…

But..

If Kibou ate him…wouldn’t there be…like…you know…signs..? =s

[Sarita]

I wondered about that too Binkles.

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

Hi LL this is what the breeder said now

“I replied earlier saying he was not a peanut..
I bet she will find him.. in a corner somewhere…probably pretty flat…
tell her to clean the cage completly.. at 4 days moms dont usually eat them
It may not have been the others kicking him out.. it could have been he was trying to crawl off to die and she kept catching him… That does happen… its mother nature at work.”

[skunklionshow]

The thing that amazes me about bunny babies is their little bunny ears and teeth.  It’s amazing that they are just born that way, it’s so awesome.

I had a heck of a time trying to help Jessica care for her babies.  They all died within a week.  Despite my attempts to keep everyone warm & safe.  I had no idea what a peanut was.  In humans encepho (sp?) is unofficially known as “pin head” (that’s what they were referred to in the old freak shows).  It’s when the baby’s skull is very small.  Most of the time the rest of their body grows fine, they just end up w/ an abnormally small skull.  Often in humans this leads to Mental Retardation.

Lots of vibes for your babies.

[MimzMum]

Oh LL, I am sorry this is happening.

I hope you find the baby. I hope it’s not gone.

And I hope it’s not a peanut either.

But I also understand how these things happen. I miscarried a few times during my childbearing years, and I know it’s because there was a reason the baby could not be born. It’s still sad.

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Kokanee – Don’t take this as an offense, but I’m not an oblivious bunny owner….Kibou is the mom and I would never ever keep a male and female together.

Puffy – I may keep them, depends on how they turn out and how ominous having 10 bunnies is! lol…

A more thorough search of the cage has turned up nothing; he’s definitely gone. It’s sad but nature knows best. I know if he hadn’t survived in the nest the likelihood of him surviving a handfeeding was pretty slim.

The other four are doing awesome; just got fed so their bellies are HUGE and they peed all over me when I was checking on them :p

I’m going to post pics of each day of development…

[Scarlet_Rose]

Lion_Lop, I am curious, so how did this litter come about? Was it a surprise? Sorry if I missed something earlier.   I am very sorry for the loss of the kit.

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

OH LL I know that, that’s why I was ‘smacking’ my head LOL My memory is great but short

For some reason I always though Kibou was male so yeah

It’s a shame the little guy is gone but your right, it’s natures way and its sad but it happens that way for a reason. I’m sooo holding you to posting pics of the babies though

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

LOL, glad you aren’t offended Kokanee! My adult rabbits are as such: Females: Smile + Kibou, Males: Jazz, Yuuki, Sawyer and Rye.

Scarlet – I can’t go into depth about how the litter came about.

I just need camera batteries to upload pics and then I will post a new thread on Baby Development or some such … that could be a useful tool for some people!

[MimzMum]

Hey LL, could you remind me how to say Kibou’s name? My daughter and I are having a little ‘disagreement’ over the pronunciation. >.<

I say it’s pronounced KIE-boh…she thinks it’s KEE-boo. Maybe we’re both wrong and it’s Kibboo? How do you say it?

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

I pronounce it Kee Boo

[MimzMum]

*headdesk* Okay, my daughter wins five bucks. ~_~

[Lisa_43]

I was thinking the same as you Scarlet.

[kimberleyanddarren]

me too

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

LOL, you actually bet money?

[BunMumTiff]

Wondering how things are going, just read thorugh all the posts, what a wonderful kind heart you have

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

The 4 remaining babies are doing awesome, unfortunately little guy passed away…

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