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    • Rolan
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        Well, let’s start at the beginning. Tom and Taz both have had gut troubles ever since they came here. Tom a lot more often than Taz, and he seemed to be doing a lot better without any pellets in his diet at all and no more than 3 different veggies per meal. That did make me worry about him getting all his nutrients, but every time he got even half a pellet he’d stop eating again a few hours later, so I figured I’d leave it for a while. He seemed to be doing just fine.



        3 months ago Taz stopped eating. The vet told me it was a (partial) blockage and it took about two/three weeks for him to recover. Mostly recover, because about 2 times a week his poops would get very small again, and soon after he’d stop eating. Tom didn’t seem to take all this well, and the stress seemed to slow his gut down, too, so some days I was taking care of two rabbits who didn’t want to eat. Every time I went to the vet the only thing they said was to force feed. Get his gut moving again. Which is important of course, but didn’t do anything about the cause: his gut stopped working before he stopped eating, not the other way around. So my vet finally admitted that he didn’t know what to do anymore, and pretty much gave up on Taz altogether (the assistant even telling me I always had the option of just not doing anything, just wait for him to die, I guess).



        I went to another vet (this was about two weeks ago), who is supposedly knowledgeable about rabbits (so was my ‘old’ vet, though). At that point Tom wasn’t eating as much as usual and Taz was doing well, but still on gutstimulants. This vet kept them there for the afternoon so she could monitor their eating and pooping, and test their poops for coccidiosis. They ate very well there (Although what they see as ‘very well’, might not be what I see as ‘very well’. They don’t know how much they usually eat, of course). Anyway, the vet had found coccidiosis, which would be the cause of all their troubles.
 They got medications (toltrazuril) which they needed for a week and a half (including two-day rest periods inbetween). They’re almost done now and they seemed to be doing better. Tom certainly.

        

A few days ago Taz suddenly flopped down in his litterbox, and he couldn’t get comfortable. He had no interest in food at all, not even veggies, while he had been eating hay just moments before. He didn’t want to move. So, gas again. 
By now I know what helps him best (keeping him moving, simethicone, water, tummy massages), and he was back to normal 6 hours later.


        Last night, same story, only now he didn’t seem to get better. So this morning I needed a vet. The vet on weekend duty was my ‘old’ vet. By the time we got there Taz was shaking (which I assumed was because he was in pain, since he kept tensing his stomach, too, but the vet said it was because he had a bit of a fever). I told the vet I had gone to another since he himself didn’t know what to do anymore (I had had way too little sleep to phrase it tactfully, but he needed to know Taz was getting medications). 
He was pretty sceptical about the coccidiosis, since neither Tom nor Taz had diarrhoea. The other vet had explained that they don’t necessarily get that though, and according to what I’ve read about it that’s true. He didn’t feel any gas apparently, though I’m sure I’d felt large bubbles of it just an hour before. So either I’m crazy, or the carride helped him pass the gas.


        The vet asked me about Taz his diet, so I told him he’s on just hay and veggies at the moment, because I wanted to see if he did better without pellets. He told me hay and veggies alone is too unvaried/limited (I’m not sure how to translate this correctly) and I need to feed Taz only pellets, since this diet is causing him trouble (I’m assuming he meant only pellets and hay).
 He gave Taz two shots of something I can’t remember (one was some sort of antibiotics), and when we got home he started eating again.



        Anyway, Taz is doing fine at the moment. I have no idea what to believe or think now anymore, though. I have no idea why Taz has had trouble with gas twice in one week. The previous times he had gas it was because his guts were moving too slow, but that wasn’t the case now. If it’s his diet wouldn’t it have been troubling him sooner? He’s getting the same veggies (endive, chicory, arugula) and the same amount for a few weeks now, not changing anything. And he’s always tolerated these well, which is why I gave them in the first place. I can’t imagine it being the coccidiosis either, because that’s never given him gas before. Maybe the medications? Tomorrow they’ll get their last dose, and I’d hoped that after that everything would be fine and they’d be troublefree for once, finally.
 That doesn’t seem to be happening, though.

        
I’m sorry if it’s a bit long, or confusing/unclear, but I keep thinking I’m doing something wrong or missing something, and I was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the whole mess.


      • jerseygirl
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          Firstly, I can sympathise. It can be frustrating trying to get to the cause of recurrent GI episodes. I wonder if it it the coccidiosis med that had upset Taz this time. Maybe just work with the 2nd vet you saw if you feel they take better care. That she did a fecal float indicates she’s more knowlegable. I’m wondering if the 1st vet you saw use to give gut motility drugs routinely before suggesting force feeding? A blockage should really be cleared first before force feeding/fluids. And yes, the blockage may have been the end result of the gut slowdown so determining why they have these slowdowns is vital.

          You mentioned in your intro post that Tom is a more timid rabbit. Do you think this (i.e. easily stressed) contributes a bit to his gut slowdowns? He obviously has a pretty sensitive gut also. Do you give treats that could be suspect. Some people have found that papaya tablets were a trigger even though they are supposed to be something that aids digestion. Just some rabbits cannot handle certain things and come have iron stomachs!

          How do both rabbits check out with their teeth? Dental issues often lead to gi issues. Though it’s more likely you see them stop eating then that brings on the GI issue. So if they are pretty good eaters right up to these episodes – then perhaps it is something in the diet. What pellets and hay do they eat?

          You may have read this before – it’s a pretty indepth article on GI stasis. http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/ileus.html
           


        • MooBunnay
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            Hi Rolan,

            I’m sorry you are having so many difficulties with your bunny’s stomachs! It sounds like you are a great parent to your rabbit, and I’m glad that you are taking them to the vet.

            I am pretty skeptical of your vet’s advice to put Tax on pellets only. Any bunnies with any tummy troubles at the rabbit sanctuary we put on a strictly NO pellet diet. Hay is what keeps your rabbit’s digestive system moving, and removing the hay from your bunny’s diet I would think would be detrimental to their stomach health as well as the condition of their teeth (hay is what keeps a rabbits teeth in good condition). I am not a vet myself, and since I”m not really sure of the vet’s reasoning for saying pellets only, I can’t be 100% sure, but I would advise not removing hay from your bunny’s diet.

            A few suggestions:
            The types of veggies you have your bunnies on is pretty varied, have you tried more plain veggies like romaine lettuce, green leaf lettuce, or parsley? This is what I normally feed my bunnies and have not had any trouble with those.

            What kind of hay are you feeding? Do the bunnies like it? Could there be anything in it? Where do you get it from? You want to make sure you have a good high quality grass hay, generally this is timothy, from a reputable supplier like Oxbow, or a feed store which has a good high quality hay.

            The medications may also be upsetting their stomachs, so I agree that hopefully once they are done with that they will feel better. What kind of medication are your bunnies on? And can you find out what the shots are?

            If I were you, going forward, I would continue the no pellets. Pellets are not essential to a bunny’s diet. If you are feeding a healthy pellet, they should really be just primarily pelleted hay anyways.

            I hope your bunnies are feeling better soon!


          • BinkyBunny
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               Oh how frustrating. I know you just want to do what is best and you rely on vets that you would hope would know what is best so yoru bunnies can live a happy healthy life. So I understand how this can really be difficult!.  I know you said that both of the rabbit vets were knowledgeable about rabbits, but I am just wondering what may be going on.     How did you find the vets?   I ‘m not saying that they are not rabbit-savvy, don’t get me wrong, I’m just trying to figure out if even a 3rd opinion might be helpful, and IF you decide to go that route the house rabbit society has a great info about how to find the rabbit-savvy vet (http://rabbit.org/faq/sections/vet.html)    

               

                I am also interested in the hay you feed.   Hopefully, there will soon be an answer to what is going.  

              Sending healing vibes!

               

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            • Barbie
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                Awww poor guys! (((Healthy vibes!))))

                Like everyone has said, keep feeding a good quality timothy hay, or a grass hay. Has anyone heard of rabbits having allergies to a certain hay or veggie?

                I don’t think it would hurt if you tried feeding some other veggies. I usually feed a combination of romaine lettuce, parsley, cilantro, collard greens, broccoli, and celery and haven’t had any problems with any of those, though I think Leroy is one of the ones with an iron stomach… he’ll eat ANYTHING if I let him. When you do try other veggies, start one at a time and take out one at a time so you know what veg (if the veggies are causing the tummy troubles) was the culprit. Stay away from things like cabbage, brussels sprouts, broccoli… things that cause gas in us too.

                ((((Vibes!!!))))


              • Rolan
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                  Thanks for your answers.

                  They get meadow hay. I would like to give them timothy hay, but I can’t get it anywhere where I live (the Netherlands). They are very good hay eaters, though. They usually go through half a kilo / 1 pound of hay each day. I usually add some other hays for variety, which are hays with dried herbs in them.

                  They also used to get more veggies. Parsley, basil, fresh willowbranches, green / red leaf lettuce, romaine and some other things that I can’t think of right now. The reason that they don’t get that much at the moment is because I tried to figure out if it was the greens causing problems (it didn’t seem likely, but you never know). I was still reintroducing their greens (very slowly), but stopped when they went on the coccidiose meds, because I wouldn’t be able to tell if a possible bad reaction would be because of the greens or the meds.

                  Jerseygirl: No, this vet didn’t routinely give gut motility drugs. I had to ask for them. I did plan to go to the second vet from now on (well, as long as I think she knows what she’s talking about at least). I’ll have their poops checked next week to see if the coccidiosis is gone, and Taz still needs to get vaccinated (we vaccinate against myx. and vhd here), so I’ll see what she has to say about all this.

                  A lot of Tom’s problems are stress-related, yes. He almost always has gut troubles the day after he’s been to the vet, for example. And if Taz isn’t feeling well, that stresses Tom out, too, so he’ll get problems of his own.

                  They don’t get treats at all. If they’re begging they’ll get a leaf of basil or some parsley.

                  Their teeth are fine. They’ve been checked every time they’ve been at the vets, and nothing is ever wrong with them. The vet did say that she couldn’t see all the way back, but I think they wouldn’t be eating this much hay if something was wrong with their teeth. If they get pellets (which they don’t), they get Science Selective, but I don’t think you’re familiar with that. They’re considered to be the best pellets where I live, even though they’re alfalfa-based and don’t have as much fiber in them as I’d like (19%).

                  I have read that article, many times actually. It’s really helpful.

                  MooBunnay: I wouldn’t ever put a rabbit on pellets alone. That seems like the dumbest thing to do. So I don’t understand what the vet was thinking, either. Especially since his criticism on only hay and greens are that it’s not varied enough.

                  They come running whenever I put some fresh hay in their racks, so I’d say they like it. It’s from JR Farm, which produces all sorts of thing for rabbits and rodents and all. I don’t think there’s something weird in it.

                  At the moment they just get toltrazuril against the coccidiosis. I could find out what the shots were if I called the vet. One was an antibiotic (I saw the name on the screen, but I can’t remember at the moment) and the other were ‘to relax his gut’, which was someting with Rim, so I’m guessing Rimadyl, which would be a painkiller. They wouldn’t cause any trouble with the toltrazuril, he said.

                  BinkyBunny: This last one was on one of those rabbit-savy vet-lists, that’s how I found her. But you never know who put them on there and why, of course. I was with the first one because I remembered them being really helpful with a rabbit with head-tilt I took care of a few years back. I definitely intend to question this last vet, but what I’ve heard from her so far seems good. If she’s not good enough, I’ll find another.

                  Barbie: I’ll get them on more veggies as soon as they don’t get these meds anymore, which would be the day after tomorrow. Hopefully that’ll make Tom eat more greens. He’s being stubborn about that lately.


                • BinkyBunny
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                    Sounds like you are doing the very best for them. If you think it might be stress-related then you might want check out types of massages and or “t-touch” (aka: Tellington Touch).

                    I have taken two classes at the House Rabbit Society to learn Tellington Touch. There are also many variations to it that deal with illness, aggression, etc. So far I’ve just found it settles Jack down into deep sleep. Vivian wasn’t sure about it at first as she’d whip around and give me a warning huff, but now she also goes into sleep mode. So, who knows, it might be worth trying out!


                  • Rolan
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                      I think I read about that in Rabbit Health in the 21st Century. I’ll look into it some more, it does sound interesting.


                    • jerseygirl
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                        The vet on weekend duty was my ‘old’ vet. By the time we got there Taz was shaking (which I assumed was because he was in pain, since he kept tensing his stomach, too, but the vet said it was because he had a bit of a fever)

                        Did the vet take his temp to verify this? I know when I take mine to the vet they breath so fast and tremble just from the stress of the whole experience. Also, if going into shock, they may shake too.

                        Anyway, if there was a fever perhaps he was fighting and infection that lead to the GI slowdown. In the past couple months I’ve had both my rabbits have a slow down & stasis episode. What I thought was gas was the first indicator to me that their was trouble. But at the vet, they suggested possible urinary tract infection, though this was never confirmed. The antibiotic seemed to help though, Baytril (enrofloxacin) is commonly given at first.

                        In Australia we have the VHD vac available. My 2 had it recently and I notice a low level activity and appetite the next day. You may want to consider Taz has a little break before his shots so his system can recover ok from these current meds. Of course, talk with your vet about that – she may see it as unnecessary.
                        Hope Taz & Tom can get sorted out with their gut issues soon. There diet sounds great and you obviously care for them alot.


                      • Rolan
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                          His temperature was 93.3 celsius. Which, now that I look it up, isn’t actually a fever at all. Well. I’m starting to feel really bad about ever taking them to this vet in the first place.He must know it, though. Last time when Tom had 39,7 he only called it a slight raise. Maybe he just wanted something he could blame it on to me.

                          I won’t let Taz have his shots unless the vet declares him healthy. Tom has had his a few weeks ago, when he was feeling good, he was a bit calmer the next day, and he didn’t want to eat much, but he’s always like that after a vet trip. It didn’t bother Taz the last time he got them, 6 months ago, but I’ll be careful.


                        • jerseygirl
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                            Did you mean 93.3 F? Normal range is 38.3C – 39.4C (101F – 103F) so a temp of 93.3 F (34C) would indicate he was hypothermic (???) If he was going into shock – then the temp can drop. Just glad you got him to the vet either way.


                          • Rolan
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                              No, that’s 39.3 celsius. We do temperature in celsius over here


                            • jerseygirl
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                                haha! So do I but I’m always putting figures in a converter when talking with these Americans! Actually, I’ve noticed I’ve adopted american names for things too. Sorry to go off topic.


                              • Beka27
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                                  Rolan, welcome here. I haven’t had the pleasure of “meeting” you yet.

                                  And I am very impressed by your knowledge of these health topics, it sounds like your buns are in great hands with you to look out for them!

                                  It’s very, very frustrating when it feels like you know more than the vets you entrust your pets to. I don’t have anything more to add than what’s been mentioned above, but I hope you can get these tummy troubles figured out. :o)


                                • Rolan
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                                    Jerseygirl: Those converters are very handy

                                    Beka27: Thank you. I do read a lot. Which makes it really frustrating when vets (and it’s the same with pretty much every one of them) treat me like an ignorant little kid who bought some rabbits because he was bored. I just turned 21 last month, but I look much younger and that doesn’t help at all when you need someone to take you seriously. You can’t have a decent conversation that way. I hope everything gets figured out, too.


                                  • Sarita
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                                      I think the gut stimulants would either be cisapride or reglan which is also called metroclopramide.

                                      Rimadyl is a pain killer but it won’t stimulate the gut.

                                      I totally understand your frustrations! I’ve been so lucky that my vets listen and respond to my questions. They are also not above calling a certified board specialists who specializes in rabbits and other exotics.

                                      How old are Tom and Taz? I didn’t see that in the post anywhere.

                                      I’ve had some recent problems with gut stasis with my rabbit Pepe – took 2 weeks to get him eating and he also has molar spur problems which I think somehow contribute to his stasis.

                                      Did your vet do fluids when Taz stopped eating and had a possible blockage? Gas is usually a side effect of a blockage according to my vet, secondary to the blockage.


                                    • Rolan
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                                        I don’t think they were gut stimulants, I would’ve recognized those names. They are about 1,5 years old, I think.

                                        The vet didn’t give fluids. But I gave him water with a syringe until he started drinking on his own again.

                                         


                                      • Sarita
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                                          You are vigilant to their changes and quick to respond so I think that helps tremendously too. Sometimes I think our rabbits will just go through these episodes and then they seem to correct themselves.

                                          In addition to Pepe, when my other rabbit Mango was young like your rabbits he had 2 or 3 severe stouts of stasis and since then he’s been better – he’s about 7 years old. He’s been off pellets forever too which I think helps as well.

                                          Continued vibes to your babies – I think they are in great hands with you.


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                                            It sounds like you are definitely making good decisions on your rabbit’s care. I have a bunny that also frequently stops eating (well, by frequently I mean about once every couple months), and I do a few different things to help him out. First, I give him some simethicone (which is also called Gas-X) to help him if there is gas. Then, I usually give him tummy rub and some extra attention. Then, we let him out of his cage into his ex-pen, and encourage him to run around and get some exercise (sometimes I’ll chase him a little to get him to do one run around the pen, and then give him a break, and then do it again a little while later). All of this combined seems to help get rid of his gas and get his stomach moving again. I usually don’t take him to the vet unless he still isn’t eating by the next morning, because I found that the vet stresses him out even more and usually makes the situation worse. If he hasn’t eaten for about 24 hours though, I do consider it an emergency and take him to the vet.


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                                              They’ve been checked every time they’ve been at the vets, and nothing is ever wrong with them. The vet did say that she couldn’t see all the way back, but I think they wouldn’t be eating this much hay if something was wrong with their teeth.

                                              I am wondering about that though-any chance of getting xrays done? Sometimes you can’t see with the scope and an xray can show molar spurs or abscesses. Anyways-don’t rule it out yet unless an xrays is done My vet puts some banana on the scope so they chew away while she gets a really good look.

                                              I wouldn’t ever put a rabbit on pellets alone. That seems like the dumbest thing to do. So I don’t understand what the vet was thinking, either. Especially since his criticism on only hay and greens are that it’s not varied enough.

                                              I agree the best diet is hay veggies(varied) and some pellets. HOWEVER some bunnies do poorly on veggies and do well with no veggies and only pellets and hay. It MAY be worth a try (give a few weeks to see)

                                              His temperature was 93.3 celsius. Which, now that I look it up, isn’t actually a fever at all. Well. I’m starting to feel really bad about ever taking them to this vet in the first place.He must know it, though. Last time when Tom had 39,7 he only called it a slight raise. Maybe he just wanted something he could blame it on to me.

                                              Your absolutely right-neither of those temps are a fever!!!
                                              101-104 F (So actually 93.3 is cool for a rabbit) honestly with that peice of info there-I’d fire that vet and not go back-he’s ten degrees off!
                                              37-40 C is normal as well so Tom was bang on in terms of temp…

                                              You are vigilant to their changes and quick to respond so I think that helps tremendously too. Sometimes I think our rabbits will just go through these episodes and then they seem to correct themselves.

                                              In addition to Pepe, when my other rabbit Mango was young like your rabbits he had 2 or 3 severe stouts of stasis and since then he’s been better – he’s about 7 years old. He’s been off pellets forever too which I think helps as well.

                                              Continued vibes to your babies – I think they are in great hands with you.

                                              Ditto!! I think your buns are very lucky to be in your hands!! Please keep us posted! I agree with BB-is it possible to try a third vet perhaps? The second vet you saw sounds better (honestly unless an emergency arises I would never see Vet 1 again-obviously better then no vet-I’m sure you agree though!) Hopefully you can find a third vet who’s better! In the meantime perhaps vet 2 could run head xrays to look at teeth-for spurs and abscesses. {{Tom and Taz VIBES}}


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                                                Sarita: They’re in the bedroom with me and I spend most of my day in bed, so I know their habits really well, which makes it very easy to see if something’s wrong. I’m not sure they’re all that happy about it, though. Not a lot of chances for them to really misbehave with me always watching

                                                It seems to me that it’s a lot more common in America to not feed a rabbit pellets than it is in the Netherlands. All the information over here suggests that it’s almost impossible for a rabbit to get all the nutrients s/he needs without pellets, unless you spend days dissecting what’s in each vegetable and add all sorts of seeds and things I’ve never heard of.

                                                MooBunnay: I always do those exact things, and they really do help normally. I’m never really sure at what point to take them to the vet, because it does stresses them out. Especially in the weekends when I don’t know the vet on duty, or know them to be almost useless. I usually take them if they aren’t doing any better after 12 hours, but I might take them sooner if the vet would be closed by that time.Should I give them more time than that to get better?

                                                Kokaneeandkahlua: I’ll ask the vet (the 2nd one) about an xray. She said she would try to get a better look while they were staying there, so maybe she did eventually succeed, I’ll ask.

                                                I did have Taz on only hay and pellets for a while to see if that worked better for him, but it only seemed to make it worse.

                                                I’ll look for a third vet if I think the second one isn’t good enough. I’ll have a good talk with her first. She did seem to know more than the basics.

                                                They’re doing fine at the moment. Tom hasn’t had any problems at all since he got the coccidiosis meds, but that might be a coincidence. I really hope that was what was bothering him. From what I’ve read, stress makes coccidiosis worse, so it would make sense that he feels bad the day after something stressful happened.


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                                                  An x-ray is not going to show a molar spur though – they could look through an otoscope but sometimes it takes putting them under anesthesia to really see their little mouths and check for spurs that way – sometimes even a little spur can be painful. They can also do a thorough check of their mouth when under anesthesia for any other abnormalities.


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                                                    Hm, putting them under anesthesia just to check their teeth seems a bit much. Especially since it doesn’t seem to make much sense for it to be their teeth that’s causing this. I could be wrong, but if it is their teeth they would stop eating and then their gut would slow down (and create a blockage), not the other way around, right? Taz’s poops would get very small each time before he stopped eating, which suggested to me that his gut stopped working properly and he didn’t want to eat because he felt full. These last two times he was eating and pooping normally right until the second the gas made him too uncomfortable.

                                                    Well, I’ll just keep a close eye on them now they’re off their meds and see if they’ve helped. I really appreciate everyone’s thoughts, though


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                                                      FYI on th spurs: IF a rabbit is cooperative, like my Rucy was, my vet could “check” for spurs without putting her under. She used her little scope thing and even her pinky finger to feel. She’s a brave vet!  But Rucy would also LET her do this. (she only bit the vet once over the years) Later the vet would have to put her under to get rid of the spurs.

                                                      But it sounds like for now they are doing better! So continued healing vibes! And now, if this ended up just being something as simple as a little stress mixed with coccidia then…WHEW and you now have a handful of information that may be helpful in the future. So Good news! I am sending out continued healing vibes! Keep us updated.


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                                                        Thanks. I will.


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                                                          The vet did another test today and they are completely coccidiosis free


                                                        • BinkyBunny
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                                                            That’s great! And how are your bunnies actually feeliing? Are they back to normal?


                                                          • Rolan
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                                                              Tom is doing great. He’s running and binkying all over the place and playing with his new cat tree. And he’s back to actually being enthousiastic about his veggies. Taz his gut seemed to bother him a bit yesterday, but that went away on its own, and today he’s doing fine. He has an appointment next week to get his vaccinations.

                                                              The only thing I’m worried about now is that Taz is still drinking way more than is normal. Together they drink about a liter a day. I was hoping (and the vet said it was possible) it was because of the coccidiosis (it can cause thirst). For Tom that was probably the case, because he’s drinking normal amounts now, but Taz is still doing it. So I’ll ask the vet about it next week and get that checked out as well.


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                                                                Oh, I am so glad to hear they are doing well right now. Keep us updated with the drinking. Some bunnies do drink more than others especially if they are big hay eaters, do you notice if Taz eats more hay than Tom? Otherwise if this continues to seem abnormal for him, then let us know what the vet says next week.


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                                                                  Well, I’ve been watching them, and they’re actually both drinking less than before. Tom’s quite noisy when he drinks so I figured that if I didn’t hear him he wasn’t drinking, but he’s found a way to do it quietly. He actually drinks as much as Taz, and they eat they same amount of hay, too, so it might be the hay just making them thirsty. At least it means Taz isn’t drinking all that water on his own. I still think a liter (that’s 33.8 oz) is a bit much for two bunnies their size though, so I’ll ask the vet about it anyway.


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                                                                    Just thought I should let you know: we went to the vet today and Taz had his shots. I asked about the drinking (at the moment Taz is drinking two or three times as much as Tom) and she said it could still be from the coccidiosis and it should get back to normal on its own. It could also be something with his kidneys or other organs, but since he wasn’t losing weight (he had actually gained a bit) or eating less, she wasn’t very worried. So unless he starts showing other problems, she said to wait and see if he’s still drinking a lot six months from now (when they get their next shots) and if he is then some tests are needed.

                                                                    I had actually made a little list of things I wanted to ask, written it down so I wouldn’t forget. But then of course I forgot to bring the list

                                                                    But they’re doing really well. I haven’t seen them this active in months. Tom seems to be over the the vet trip already, so I’m going to hope it’s not going to trouble him tomorrow. He’s actually been pretty relaxed these last couple of days, he doesn’t even immediately jump up when I come within 6 feet of where he’s lying. So things are looking good


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                                                                      Glad your babies are doing well!


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                                                                        Great news! Keep us updated, but I am just so glad to hear things are good!

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