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    • wendyzski
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        We have an ARBA breeder on one of my other communities, and while she can be a bit abrasive about “her way” of doing things she does have access to contacts and knowledge that the rest of us don’t have. (She’s our go-to person for “oops they told me she was a boy” litters, for example)

        She has been seeing an illness/condition spreading through some show populations and has lost a couple of rabbits to it.  It’s some kind of intestinal thing, but the cause is still undetermined.

        Her report is graphic as is details results from two necroscopies, but I wanted to pass on the info as widely as possible – because in the end we all love our bunnies and want them to be healthy.

        http://community.livejournal.com/bunnyowners/4753312.html#cutid1

         

        Wendy Z


      • Sarita
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          Unfortunately that link doesn’t work for me – says you have to be a member…I know a few years ago their was some outbreaks of VHD in the US – wonder if this is what this could be.


        • bunnytowne
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            When I paste the link and hit enter  what comes up is this post on BB.   lol

            I would like to read that post though what is happening isn’t funny. 


          • RabbitPam
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              Do you know how this is being transmitted?


            • wendyzski
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                Oops – I didn’t know she locked the post – I’ll copy it below but WARNING – it’s graphic and includes detailed necroscopy reports.

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                As a few of you already know, I have lost rabbits to a strange illness. This is something that seems to effecting the breeding rabbit population. Not sure if its gotten into the pet rabbits in shelters yet. ost of us that are seeing this are doing our best to treat our animals, and are keeping them at home. No sales, no going to shows, etc. There are a few indiscriminate breeders out there that are continuing to show and sell their rabbits, despite the fact that their animals are dying. Unfortunately I happened to run into one of them. She ‘treated’ her rabbits by giving them yogurt, and continued to show them. Evenm let her kids take some market pens to the county fair putting the entire barn at risk for it. She said she consulted a certain vet in the area. Which is funny because I tried consulting that same vet, and he said he only saw them for tooth and nail trims. I have called several vets about this, and they said they don’t know. One suggested sending two to MSU to have a neocropsy done. Which is what I ended up doing.

                So no matter where you buy your bunnies from, albeit breeder, shelter, or pet shop, please be careful. make sure you thoroughly examine the animal to make sure its healthy. ask lots of questions. If you see your rabbit develope any of these signs, take it to a rabbit savy vet, if you can find one. The symptoms are bloat, constipation, swollen stomache, lethargy, dehydration (animal gets really skinny), dirrhea, imapcted cecums(large intestine), jelly like stool, sudden death. Some are seeing lung damage in their animals when they have the neocropsy done(including mine). The suspects are toxins in the feed, or some type of bacteria or viral disease.

                This is going to be cut since this is graphic. Hoep this is OK. This is only the first set of tests. Will know more if I can them to test the bacteria they found.
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                Here is the full report. Rabbit A had suffered from bloat the week before. She had started to recover after recieving a days worth of terramyacin. Rabbit B was caged next to rabbit A. She had broken her back a few days before she was sent to be tested at MSU. Rabbit B did not show any other signs of llness other then a broken back. Yet it seems she is the one that they found the most problems in. I will be calling the university monday and asking if they are going to follow up and test the bacteria they found. Rabbit A was humanely euthanized. Rabbit B died the day before they were shipped.

                Director: Dr. Carole Bolin
                4125 Beaumont Road
                Lansing, MI 48910-8104
                Phone: 517-353-1683
                Fax: 517-353-5096
                http://www.animalhealth.msu.edu
                REPORT OF LABORATORY EXAMINATION
                Client:
                Self Pay Client (999999)
                Campus, MI 48824
                Owner:
                Rcvd Date: 10/27/2009 11:01:00 AM
                Admitted By: Not, Applicable
                Ordered By: N/A
                Encounter: 00884656
                CR#: AP 930011023
                Animal: DIXONMULTI MRN:
                Species: Lagomorph Breed: Rabbit Unspecified
                Age: 6 months Gender: Female
                Tag/Reg ID:
                Other ID:
                L = Low Result; H = High Result; @ = Critical Result; ^ = Corrected Result; * = Interpretive Data; # = Result Footnote

                Print Date/Time: 10/28/2009 2:24 PM Page 1 of 2

                N e c r o p s y P r e l i m i n a r y R e p o r t
                Accession Number: Received Date/Time: Verified Date/Time: Pathologist:
                NO-09-0001458 10/27/2009 11:05:00 AM 10/28/2009 01:33:29 PM Langohr, Ingeborg
                History
                According to the history provided, two 6-month-old, female rabbits are submitted. This facility has had 30 rabbits die, all
                presenting with bloat, diarrhea, jelly-like stool and constipation.
                Gross Description

                Two rabbits were submitted to the DCPAH for necropsy on October 27, 2009. Rabbit A (left ear tattoo ID: M4) weighed
                1.9 kg and had adequate adipose stores, adequate hydration, and minimal autolysis. Rabbit B (left ear tattoo ID: C6)
                weighed 1.8 kg and also had adequate adipose stores, adequate hydration, and mild autolysis. External examination of
                both rabbits revealed fecal staining around the perineum, inguinal region, and paws.
                Within the left kidney of Rabbit A there was a focal 2 mm, red, circular lesion on the capsular surface that extended 3 mm
                into the parenchyma on cut surface. The cecum was filled with soft, paste-like ingesta. The mucosal and serosal surfaces
                of the entire intestinal tract appeared normal. No significant changes were observed within the remaining organs
                examined from Rabbit A.

                Approximately 4 ml of serosanguineous fluid was found within the thoracic cavity of Rabbit B. Approximately 70-80% of
                the right lung lobes were dark red and firm. The left lung lobes were mottled dark pink to red and were also firm on
                palpation. The liver was diffusely mottled dark red and tan, with the left lateral lobe being most severely affected.
                Additionally, within the left lateral liver lobe there were three 2 mm, white, discrete foci within the parenchyma on cut
                surface. The jejunum contained dark red to green ingesta. The cecum was filled with soft, paste-like ingesta. The urinary
                bladder was markedly distended (8 cm by 4 cm by 4 cm) and had prominent serosal vasculature. Urine collected from this
                rabbit was pale yellow and turbid. Cytology of the urine showed numerous crystals (consistent with calcium oxalate and
                fewer struvite crystals), epithelial cells, and occasional tubular epithelial casts. There was a suspected fracture of the
                lateral aspect of the 10th thoracic vertebra.
                Admitted By: Not, Applicable
                Encounter: 00884656
                Species: Lagomorph
                Animal: DIXONMULTI
                MRN:
                Owner: Dixon, Janelle A
                L = Low Result; H = High Result; @ = Critical Result; ^ = Corrected Result; * = Interpretive Data; # = Result Footnote
                Print Date/Time: 10/28/2009 2:24 PM Page 2 of 2
                N e c r o p s y P r e l i m i n a r y R e p o r t
                Accession Number: Received Date/Time: Verified Date/Time: Pathologist:
                NO-09-0001458 10/27/2009 11:05:00 AM 10/28/2009 01:33:29 PM Langohr, Ingeborg
                Gross Diagnosis(es)
                Rabbit ALeft
                kidney: Focal acute renal infarct (suspected)
                Rabbit BLiver:
                Marked multifocal to coalescing necrotizing hepatitis
                Lung: Moderate acute unilateral bronchopneumonia
                Intestine: Enteritis (suspected)
                10th thoracic vertebra: Fracture (suspected)
                Comment
                The most significant findings were observed in Rabbit B and are suggestive of acute systemic bacterial infection.
                Histopathology of both rabbits as well as bacteriology and parasitology for Rabbit B are pending. Additional fresh tissues
                from both rabbits are being held should additional testing be required.
                The distended bladder of Rabbit B (suggestive of loss of innervation and inability to urinate) is consistent with paralysis as
                indicated in the history. Significant changes within the spinal cord were not observed grossly. Histologic assessment of
                the thoracic vertebrae to distinguish if the apparent fracture site is an antemortem or postmortem alteration is pending.
                Erin B. Howey, DVM
                Ingeborg Langohr, DVM,PHD,DACVP
                (Electronically signed by) IL
                Verified: 10.28.2009 13:33
                IL /EBH

                This isn’t to scare anyone. Just to let everyone know that something is out there that is killing our bunnies, and just to watch out for it, and be careful.


              • Beka27
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                  Wow. Those poor buns. Thank you for sharing this with us. Fortunately, the large majority of us have nothing to do with breeding/showing rabbits, but it is very frightening to think that this could be transferred to shelters or petstores, or if you bought a baby bunny from a breeder and then infected your other rabbits at home… Please keep us posted, if you don’t mind…


                • Sarita
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                    Okay will if you read these reports it sounds like impaction to me and one mentions about a broken back and paralysis which they both mention. I’m obviously not an expert at reading these things but I wonder if perhaps it’s care related since obviously the person only treated with yogurt and didn’t even take the rabbit to the vet. I don’t know, it sounds suspect to me.


                  • KatnipCrzy
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                      Wow, that is pretty scary to me- those rabbits were tested at Michigan State University- so that makes me think that the issue is in the Midwest.

                      From my understanding of the post- it was someone irresponsible that treated with yogurt and continues to expose other rabbits to her rabbits.  And it is someone responsible that is taking appropriate measures that is TALKING about the issue and sending rabbits for a necropsy (not cheap).

                      I can see how something like this will spread quickly thru rabbit “herds” if a couple breeders, or even just one is in denial about the possibility of a contagious illness! 


                    • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                        Weird weird weird….a broken back? Treating with yogurt…huh…poor buns!

                        {{Binky Free Rabbit A & B}}

                        Definitely- people who show rabbits, should consider staying home this season! Titles are not worth the health of your buns!


                      • wendyzski
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                          Yes – this breeder and several others chipped in to get the necroscopies done, as yes they are expensive. 

                          She posted an update today:

                          This is just an update to what I posted on the noecropsy results from a couple of days ago. This is also a cross post since I also sent it to various yahoo groups as well.

                          Follow up to what I posted earlier. Just got off the phone with one of the lab people working on the case. She said she found no signs of disease in the intestines. That even if they were treated, and there was a serious disease going on, they’d still be able to see evidence. They suspected ME when they got them in, but found no evidence of it(due to the accidental dose of terramyacin). ME is still a suspect though. Said it looked like evidence of contamination, but they weren’t sure what. She did do a culture to test for disease, and so far nothing has grown. So our next step is to go ahead and get the feed retested. Yes I still kept it. They want a couple of samples of manna pro, and one of the pen pals I have had them on. I did explain to her about what happened when I followed pams(from meat rabbits list since this is cross posted to various groups) advice and got them on nothing but hay for two weeks, only to see more problems when I started to reintroduce the feed. My rabbits are now on a mixture of rabbit chow, and pen pals. She wants to test and culture the feed to see if anything grows. Day 2 and they are still eating like they are half starved. I told about other seeing the same problems. She says to definately send them in and get neocropsies done on the deceased rabbits. Even though it is expensive, the MSU lab is willing to help us to get to the bottom of this problem.


                        • Sarita
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                            So are they suspecting then Mycotoxins poisioning? Is that what ME is?


                          • Sarita
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                              I think the necropsy itself is not expensive – it’s all the darn testing! That’s what gets the price up. My vet did a few necropsies for me on some of my rabbits and it wasn’t too much – we sent samples out on one rabbit for testing and that’s what cost so much.


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                                Posted By Sarita on 11/03/2009 12:36 PM
                                So are they suspecting then Mycotoxins poisioning? Is that what ME is?

                                 

                                I had to ask myself – ME is Mucoid Enteritis.  My understanding is that there was no single obvious issue, and that cultures for infections are ongoing, and they are currently leaning towards testing the feed for possible problems.

                                I will continue to pass on her updates.


                              • BinkyBunny
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                                  Oh wow…thanks sooo much for letting us know about this. I have a breeder friend who I will ask about this and see if she has heard anything with in the ARBA community. I haven’t heard anything yet about this in the rescue community but anytime there could be a problem that can affect any rabbit community we want to know – whether it’s food related or some sort of bacteria, I hope they get to the bottom of it quickly.


                                • wendyzski
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                                    Another update:

                                      hey I saw your post on binky bunny. thanks for passing it on. Sorry the
                                    post was locked. I forgot that my setting automatically lock it. Anyhow
                                    let them know that MSU is also doing tests for the calcivirus now. I
                                    doubt they have it. But I wanted it ruled out just in case. Let thm know
                                    this is all over the place. Not just in the midwest. A couple of weeks
                                    ago someone in CA said they were seeing it. Ove the past week a lot of
                                    people in ohio and indiana are now seeing it. Someone on the indiana
                                    rabbit list may be consulting Perdue over the problems. They seem to
                                    think these rabbits picked something up from a show. I think it may be
                                    feed, and that manna pro lied to me when they did the test. The majority
                                    seeing problems are feeding manna por, purina show formula, and pen pals.
                                    I emailed the ARBA about it tonight. The president is a rabbit vet. So
                                    maybe he can weigh n whats going on, and help spread the word through the
                                    domestic rabbits magazine. If this is a disease of some sort, its only
                                    amatter of time before it hits the pet rabbit population. There is a lady
                                    in ohio that lost her entire herd of Flemish giants over the past couple
                                    of weeks. Yet it didn't touch her mini rex for some odd reason. I think
                                    she did try consulting a vet, and did ask for help as well.

                                    As for the idiot that continued to show her rabbits, and treated with
                                    yogurt, haven't spoken to her in almost two months. Don't care to either.
                                    She was told to stay home, and she didn't listen. I did notify the
                                    Michigan state rabbit breeders, and some of the rabbit judges I know
                                    about her. I just wish she would have done the responsible thing and kept
                                    her animal sat home, and got her feed, and animals tested like she said
                                    she was going to do. Ugh. i don't think mine got it from hers. our
                                    rabbits haven't been exposed to each other since the first week of july.
                                    About a month before we both started seeing problems. However, exposure
                                    to hers hasn't been ruled out either.

                                    As for the bunny with the broken back, it just happened. Some very
                                    serious illnesses can actually cause that, including food toxins. It
                                    scared me at first. I thought maybe she might have had tyzzers disease
                                    the way she was acting.

                                    So no real news yet, but they are still working on it.


                                  • Sarita
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                                      I would never trust what the food company said – It’s good she’s sending it out to an independent company for testing. I now a few years back that there was an outbreak of VHD (Calcivirus) in I think the Indiana area among a breeder’s rabbits (not sure what the rabbits were bred for) so it would not surprise me if it was that. It would sadden me for the rabbits though. I’m pretty sure if they find this then they have to notify the authorities about an outbreak. If so, then I’m pretty sure HRS would post something on their website too about the outbreak.


                                    • BinkyBunny
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                                        I will be taking Jack into the vet soon for follow-up xrays of his bladder and I’ll ask my vet if she’s heard much about this yet IF she hasn’t, this will be good for her to know about.


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                                          I’m curious to know if the lung damage some are seeing is secondary or the primary issue – then leading to the intestinal damage. So hypothetically, if there was say a bacterial infection that was asymptomatic, this could really take hold then lead to the GI illness. Hypothetically!

                                           It would be interesting to see if there are other common products those affected use (such as litter or bedding) that may be suspect. As to the feeds mentioned – I would also be interested to see it they have common suppliers for hay or other additives such as yucca…

                                          As to calici virus or VHD, that is hemorrhagic isn’t it – so wouldn’t the symptoms or evidence of this be obvious. (Edit: Ok, I re-read the necroscopy report. The blood found in the lungs {serosanguineous fluid} is perhaps why Calici was tested also???)

                                          Wendy, thanks for alerting this rabbit community to this. It’s worrisome, I hope they can get to the bottom of it quickly. I guess this is where the show community & breeding and meat rabbit industries can aid the pet rabbit community. It’s more likely they often are alerted to these sorts of incidents first because it can affect large numbers. They have resources and a large network to look thoroughly into it.  In a way, I hope it can be attributed to feed or other products because at least then it can be controlled. 


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                                            Okay this might be kind of out there, but is there any chance it could be the flu? I know that some pets have started testing positive for H1N1 – some cats and some ferrets that I know of so far.
                                            – Annette


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                                              Not too “out there”.   When I first read this thread – I had thought “Oh no – what if there’s a rabbit version of things like swine flu, horse flu, bird flu” There are superbugs coming onto the horizon all the time it seems.

                                              Can someone clarify for me… Clostridium overgrowth can happen in rabbits when this bacteria overtakes the normal intestinal bacteria present. So its’s the imbalance that causes the problems. Do does that mean the Clostridium bacteria is normally present in the intestine but is kept in safe quantities by good gut bacteria? I’m reading it’s toxins (mycotoxins) that destroy the good bacteria and then that allows Clostridium to take hold. This bacteria overgrowth can lead to Mucoid Enteritis. So Clostridium in normally present in the gut or it can be introduced into the gut also?


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                                                Another post from the same ARBA person – and another connection of hers:

                                                Got this this morning off the rarebreed rabbit list. This is from someone from the Mini lop rabbit club of america(national specialty club for mini lop rabbits), on the mysterious enteritis illness. willis plank is a kent feed rep, and a very well know rabbit breeder and ARBA Judge (one of the best, IMHO). I actually spoke with him at a show(didn’t take any rabbits), when I first started having problems. Very nice, informative guy, who seems to have a lot of connections. I know he’s also working on getting a rabbit savy vet from Illinios to come up and give a speech about this Enteritis problem we are seeing at the Michigan State Rabbit breeders convention and show. Didn’t know he also had someone on it in ohio.

                                                Please pass this on to all rabbit breeders

                                                Jeff Simmons

                                                I just received this information from Donna Mallory the Zone 8 Director of the Mini Lop Club of America. This was sent to inform people of what is going on. Please pass this on. Thanks.

                                                Brenda

                                                Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 8:56 PM

                                                Hi Everyone,

                                                As your friend and District 8 Director for the Mini Lop Club of America I feel it is my duty to keep you updated.

                                                Be aware that a STRAIN of MUCOID ENTERITIS is running rapid througout the United States. It is believed that this is air borne although the exact cause is undetermined.

                                                I have been in contact with Willis Plank my Kent Feed Consumer Product Manager. He has informed me of his knowledge and the knowlege of a veternarian he is working with in Ohio. I wish to pass it onto you.

                                                We have outbreaks in Ohio, Michigan and Indiana.

                                                I can speak from personal knowledge. I have been battling something for the past week and a half in my own herd. I have spent hours trying everything not being able to pin point the exact name until today.

                                                The symptoms can vary from rabbit to rabbit which made it difficult to diagnose. We are looking at about a three week time from start to finish in your herd.

                                                First the rabbit goes off feed and sits quietly in the corner. Their hair and coat go haywire. Some have diaherra with jelly secretion and others simply stop pooping. Some won’t drink. Others will sit with feet in water and drink continuously.

                                                They will nibble at hay while others beat the cage door down to get it. Some will ignore the feed pellets yet eat conditioner.

                                                Some act as though they are starving for something.

                                                They squent their eyes and sit as though they are doubled up with stomach cramps. In the final stages the eyes will become cloudy.

                                                The stomach is bloated. Some will grind their teeth. Bottom line their intestinal tract shuts down and they die.

                                                So here are some suggestions to aid you in the event it begins in your herd.

                                                Give them all the hay and straw they can eat. If they won’t eat that, try steamed rolled barley.

                                                Keep them hydrated by inserting full syringe of water down throat several times daily..

                                                Teramycin powder (broad spectrum antibotic) into the water is recommended by the Raising Better Rabbit and Cavy Guide Book to prevent futher infection.

                                                I went to my local veternarian and purchased Reglan (gut motility medicine). Reglan is also given orally down the throat 2-3 times daily. (1cc per pound of body weight)

                                                Another recommended product is Nutra Drops. I believe Vannachecks sell it. If caught in the earliest stages it helps get them back on tract.

                                                Do whatever you can to keep your rabbit eating, drinking and their intestines functioning.

                                                They lose flesh very quickly so be pepared.

                                                So far I have only had one senior get it and I lost her. The rest have been 10 week to 4 month juniors.

                                                I opend up the body cavity of the deceased senior to search for obivious signs and found her intestinal track was non functioning . The feces in the intestional tract were hard like small stones and part of the intestines were shrunk down to the size of small thread.

                                                I have managed to save four young juniors and three more came down with it today. So hang in there my friends and pray for all of our precious bunnies.

                                                Remember I am not a veternarian. I can only pass along information given to me and give you my first hand experience. Please keep me posted on whats happening with your herd and pass this along to your whom you can.

                                                Thanks, Donna Mallory


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                                                  I honestly am not sure what to think of this since it seems like the breeder with the problems has not even taken the rabbits to the vet and is doing her own necropsy. I feel bad for these rabbits. I always thought mucoid eneritis affected young rabbits too but I’m not that familiar with this since I’ve never had any rabbits with this problem.


                                                • Quantum
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                                                    Yikes. I’m not a breeder nor am I a vet, but those seem like some pretty widely variant symptoms to all be from the same root cause.: they either eat like crazy or they don’t, they drink a lot or refuse water. It sounds like more than one problem to my uneducated mind. Has Ms. Mallory taken any of her buns in to a vet or is she just shotgunning possible fixes on her own?


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                                                      I’m a little confused by “strain of Mucoid Enteritis” I thought that was a condition/disease – not a pathogen itself. There is bacterial enteritis – but again, isn’t enteritis the condition – caused by a specific bacteria?

                                                      Anyway, it is all too awful! These poor rabbits dying this way.


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                                                        I just want to know how contagious it is to house rabbits…I mean, if there’s a sick rabbit at my vet’s office (who would know if it’s a show or breeder bunny or not?) and I bring mine in at the same time, will they get it too? It says ‘possibly airborne’. What is the contagion map at this point?

                                                        That description scares the hell out of me. I’m so glad my bunnies aren’t show. But these poor babies…what a horrible way to die. ;_; I’m just stunned really, … and I think speechless would be preferable at this point to me ranting further.


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                                                          If this is contagious, it scares the heck out of me…considering Mr. Bunny’s in the vet so much and we were planning on bunnydating once he got better. D:
                                                          Keep us updated.


                                                        • Sarita
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                                                            Well, considering that this breeder doesn’t appear to take her rabbit to the vet I’m not sure I would worry. Sometimes things go around in the breeder world that don’t affect our house rabbits.


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                                                              I’ve not heard any updates on this.

                                                              Generally I’m pretty down on a lot of breeders but the one who has made these postings is really trying to get the word out.

                                                              We could have more than one condition going on as well – I mainly wanted to alert people to the possibility of something like tainted feed


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                                                                Another update from our token ARBA member over at bunnyowners:

                                                                Jut got word that someone had their feed tested, and the results came back with black corn toxin in it. I am not entitled to say who or where it was found at, yet. Lets just say that something may be going on between the breeder and the company in question. Once I am able to share that info, I will. All I know it was found in blue seal rabbit feed. From what I am told the rabbits died from what everyone else has been seeing. 17 rabbits were lost to it. Seems the mold severely effects equines, and rabbits. This could be what is causing our rabbits to die on us. As far as I know the neocropsy and feed tests were just done. This could be why some areas are experiencing a lot of deaths, and others aren’t. Not trying to cause anyone to panic. But just thought I would pass it along.

                                                                Here is some information on it. Most of the links I have apply to horses and mules. However, the maddocks website says it will cause bloat.

                                                                http://homepage.mac.com/mattock….html

                                                                http://www.addl.purdue.edu/news…shtml

                                                                http://www.scribd.com/doc/34145…Nepal

                                                                Here is more about microtoxins in feed.
                                                                http://www.extension.iastate.ed…2.htm




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                                                                  You know…I have to wonder upon reading this if any pet food that has corn in it would have an adverse effect on our animals? I was just discussing in another thread about my cat and how she tosses up about every other meal, my dogs and their GDV and other stomach problems…with all the grain in pet food today, any of these animals could experience an adverse reaction if the grains going in are tainted.
                                                                  Read labels, my friends. Even though I had a vet who said they manufacturers don’t HAVE to list ingredients consistently…if you know a food may have a tainted grain in it, I would think that would be cause for concern and possibly a switch do a different feed. Not to mention that with all the inclement weather of late in the areas of the country, and the world, where grains are harvested…mold is getting into food and being processed for the consumer, because the farmer’s can’t afford not to sell their crops, if even at a loss.


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                                                                    Thanks for the update!!


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                                                                      Mimz-OT but the vet who said they don’t have to list ingredients was off base-they are regulated by the FDA and they do have to http://www.fda.org  However they can change their ingredients unless they state they don’t. THey don’t have to test on dogs-the food you feed may never have been fed to a dog before, and the labelling standards are pretty sketchy-they can put ‘human grade food’ when it’s not in fact human grade at all.   

                                                                       

                                                                      Also I agree on the corn -we just switched to Orijen (they make cat and dog food) -they are completely grain free, and have really high quality ingredients-I’d really recommend it for your cat-if it’s available where you are?

                                                                      That update is really interesting-thanks!


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                                                                        Thats pretty intresting. I buy pellets from my local store… it comes in a huge bin were you pour it in a bag, never seen any ingredints by it.


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                                                                          Looks like we’re DEFINITELY looking at contaminated feed, possibly from more than one company.  This is the latest post:

                                                                          [18 Dec 2009|06:13pm]

                                                                          jnlldxn

                                                                          saw this on meatrabbits yahoo group, and passing it on. I have never heard about this feed, and don’t know much about it. not sure what they found in it. I did suggest to the op to get them to test it for black corn mold. There is something in this brand that seems to be killing a lot of rabbits.

                                                                          > We there is so many dead rabbits accross Idaho can not hardly believe
                                                                          > the numbers we are in the thousands. Due to feeding Cache Commodity
                                                                          > Rabbit Feed. What a shame, and people are still coming forward with
                                                                          > their numbers and their proff that they bought this feed. Wow. Mary
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                                                                          And her other message in response to someone else.

                                                                          The feed is very low in fiber and high in calium and low in phosphrus and lots of sawtoothed grain bettlles alive. 3 voilations the state tested another load coming in to Idaho and it was worse..Stop sale was ordered and and fines issued , feed test had to be paid to the state damages paid for lost stock and has been totally ignored by /cache commodity feed company. So Lawyer is now involved looking for more losses for other people and there is lots of people that has been damaged.. still coming in so if you know any one feeding this feed have them get ahold of me they can go under me, as I have all testing done everything needed. But they do need to hurry, as lawyer is awaiting claims. . merryrabbit@ hotmail.com Mary .

                                                                           


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                                                                            I googled that feed name out of curiousity. It linked to a forum discussion (I think) that then cited this article dated Nov 3rd 2009. http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/richardbrock/1103-widespread-mold-problems/
                                                                            Looks like this mold could affect alot of foods, human and animal feeds (not just rabbit).

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                                                                        FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A something going around – serious intestinal issue