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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Small dog + Bunny = ?

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    • Katie Alice
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        Hello! 

        I have a small Chihuahua/Poodle mix dog who is shy but very friendly when she warms up to you. Her and my older dog who passed away last year got along great. I also had adopted an older guinea pig a while back and she got along fine with him, zero troubles. She would sniff his ear sometimes then run away and he wouldn’t really care what she was doing, it was adorable.

        But the big problem is that she can be very loud and yappy when a stranger comes to the house or a car pulls up outside. Now the guinea pig never cared  (he was so laid-back, haha) but would a rabbit be stressed out by this? A pet shop worker told my dad that she would kill the rabbit by this.. but that sounds a little extreme? It’s the only problem, my little dog wouldn’t hurt a fly. There was a rat in our house and she ran from it XD


      • DaisyBunz
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          It’s funny – when I first started my experience owning house rabbits, the pet store lady also said to me that a bunny will “get a heart attack and die” if they hear or see a dog. But this really isn’t the case House Rabbit Society says his about dog-bunny interactions:

          When Fido Met Thumper (Dogs and Rabbits)
          Amy Shapiro

          Related Articles
          Dog Meets Bunny, an educational blog Those of us who share our lives with non-human animals know the joy these friendships bring us. To create a home in which several species live together peaceably is to set up a mini-utopia, where humans respect rather than exploit the other inhabitants. It’s also a lot of fun.
          In previous issues we have described friendships between rabbits and cats and guinea pigs (HRJ vol. 1, no. 7). We now approach the rabbit-canine interface, with equal measures of optimism and caution.

          FAMILIARITY BREEDS CONTENTMENT

          These guidelines are designed to allow Thumper and Fido to get accustomed to each other in a safe, positive environment. Because each situation is determined by the individual personalities involved, no single “right way” exists. As a general rule, it is better to go too slowly and succeed than to rush things and risk disaster. The initial introduction can be done in several ways. If the rabbit is skittish and/or the dog is rambunctious, have the rabbit in her cage and the dog on-leash. Most rabbits feel more confident in the safe haven of their familiar territory. A rabbit who would run from a dog if she were uncaged will often come right up and stiff through the cage.
          Encourage and praise all gentle, investigative behavior: “good dog, that’s gentle, what a good gentle dog you are.” Fido is learning to associate the word “gentle” with quiet, friendly interest, and he is getting praised for it. You can use the word “gentle” later on, as a reminder to him if he starts to get rowdy. You are teaching him “yes,” which is a much more important learning tool than “no.”

          If the dog becomes too excited, tell him “off” or “no” and give a quick tug-and-release on the leash. If he calms down, praise him. If you have to correct him constantly, you’re going too fast. He may feel that the rabbit is nothing but a source of frustration and reprimands. This dog needs some obedience training before he’s ready to meet Thumper. “Down-stay,” “gentle,” “good dog,” and “off” should become integral parts of his vocabulary. Your ultimate goal may be for Fido to lie down and stay, even with Thumper running freely about the room. Think of this as a Ph.D. in down-stay. Work toward it gradually, in steps that challenge Fido but that are not impossible. Set him up to succeed.

          A confident rabbit and a mellow dog may be able to meet nose to nose, with no cage between them. Put Fido on-leash and in a down-stay. Have Thumper brought into the room. Allow her to check out this strange new being. Again, praise Fido’s calm behavior.

          Repeat these encounters daily. The early stages of strict control can last days or weeks or months. The animals involved will set the pace. Your job is to pay close attention and to be absolutely sure that everyone (dog, human, and rabbit) is ready before moving on to the next level of freedom. A first step in easing your supervision of the proceedings could be to remove the leash. Or you could leave the leash on but release Fido from the down-stay. Or you could switch to a sit-stay, so Thumper can get used to Fido in a new position.

          OBEDIENCE TRAINING: WHY?

          Training is communication. It is a way of showing the dog that the noises that come out of your mouth have some meaning for the dog. A dog who has received gentle, positive, effective obedience training knows to look to his human for guidance when he’s in a new or unfamiliar situation. A dog who goes bonkers and completely ignores you whenever the slightest distraction presents itself is not a good candidate for rabbit-friend. Training should build the bond of trust and respect between you and Fido.
          THE FAMILY FACTOR

          But aren’t rabbits and dogs natural enemies? Can we ever overcome the dog’s instinct for predation?
          Well, yes. And no. It depends on the dog. And the rabbit. And the human. Speaking of humans, and natural enemies, what species tortures and kills millions of rabbit every year in the name of fashion? What species domesticated, breeds, and trains dogs to kill rabbits not for sustenance but for “sport”? If you were a rabbit, which species would you be wary of?

          In many dogs, the hunting instinct is buried deep below generations of domestication. Others have a stronger urge to chase, which may even have been encouraged (or, at least, not effectively discouraged) by their human. The purpose of the introductory exercises is not only to control Fido and to teach him your definition of good manners but also to show him that Thumper is a member of your (and his) household. Just as a dog might chase neighborhood cats but not cats with whom he lives, Fido can learn that Thumper is family, not dinner. Of course, these possibilities do not exist for hutch rabbits or back-yard dogs. Such animals are not members of your or each other’s family and should never be left alone together.

          Can you ever leave Fido and Thumper together without supervision? The cautious approach says no. For some situations, this is also the realistic answer. I have heard many horror stories about dogs and rabbits who were “just fine together until one day… I don’t know how it could have happened….” In all of these cases the definition of “just fine together” was very different from the one proposed here. It does not mean “Fido doesn’t lunge at the cage every time he walks by it, but they’ve never actually been together with Thumper out of his cage.” Nor does it mean “But Fido’s such a sweet dog. He’s great with the kids” or “I yell at him every time he goes for the rabbit . He knows he’s not supposed to.” I wish I could give a specific description of what it does mean. The best I can offer is that it’s a feeling. If you’re not sure, don’t do it. If you do want to try it, at first leave them together for short periods when you are home. Be honest with yourself. If Fido and Thumper can keep company with you, that’s an admirable goal and a source of pleasure for everyone.

          From Warren-Wise, a regular column of the House Rabbit Journal:
          DOGS AND RABBITS

          In looking over the numerous stories sent in response to our article “When Fido Met Thumper,” we have to conclude that the likelihood of success in a dog/rabbit relationship is far greater when working with a calm, mature dog. Adhering to the notion that the animals should “grow up together” is generally not a sound practice.
          After being harassed by a playful pup, a rabbit can go into a terminal state of shock. If you find that your rabbit has been badgered by another animal, get veterinary treatment immediately. Symptoms may not show up for several hours, and by then it may be too late.

          An enlightened HRS member tells us how well her two dogs and rabbit get along. She doesn’t leave them unsupervised, but as she points out, “You don’t leave your (human) kids unsupervised.”

          Caution: Coyote-dog mixes and wolf-dog mixes should NEVER be allowed to live with a rabbit, supervised or not.

          I’d say that this would be fine. Using a few simple guidelines, a dog and rabbit can live together safely.


        • LBJ10
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            I think it depends on the rabbit, but it seems like the vast majority either don’t care about the dog or they want to be friends. Both of mine just ignore the dog. She barks and makes weird noises, they don’t see bothered by it.


          • DaisyBunz
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              Same here. Our dog just ignores the bunnies. The bunnies, the same.
              But he’s a retriever. Those are really good family dogs that don’t mind other pets, so it’s hard to say.


            • Kbana
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                I say it all depends on what the bunny gets used to. Many buns are used to very loud noises and busy rooms/other animals. I would think they would run a chance of getting scared to death if it were more of a predator situation, not just any dog, but a dog trying to get at it.


              • DaisyBunz
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                  Terriers are more yappy. I’ve been to houses with terriers, west highland to be exact. She was all over, first on the couch, then back on the floor jumping up and down and barking the entire visit. That may be very scary for a bunny.


                • manic_muncher
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                    Once the bun associates the noise with the dog that lives in the house, it will be fine. I’m not going to say it won’t ever be startled. It may bolt and hide in any hidey-hole/cardboard house available. But it won’t kill him.

                    When I was a child we had outside hutch rabbits and a small terrier type dog named Tupper (mom was a tupperware lady). We would block off any possible areas where the rabbits could escape the yard and let them run around and play on nice days. One day, Tupper, got outside while the rabbits were out. He went after one of the rabbits immediately, I was scared to death he was going to catch him. Fluffy ran figure 8s, ducked and dodged, we’re running after the dog trying to catch him, and as the dog started closing in, Fluffy began to scream. I will tell you, a rabbit screaming in fear is something you NEVER want to hear. Sounds like a woman being murdered. It was horrible. Well, we finally got the dog back inside, and managed to get Fluffy back to the hutch, he was very frightened and panting like crazy. If I had known that rabbits could be scared to death at that time, I would have been a lot more distressed. However, I didn’t know, so I was saved from that worry once he was back in the safety of his own home. He did not die. I’m guessing if the chase had gone on much longer, we would not have been so lucky.

                    The reason I’m telling this story is to offer you an example of how severe the situation can be without a death. I know he was terrified, but at the same time, he also knew the dog. Maybe if it had been a strange dog he didn’t know, he may have been more distressed at the beginning of the chase, which would have changed the dynamics of the situation.

                    Our dogs bark occasionally, Bumpy doesn’t bother to be worried anymore. We used our tv as a noise desensitizer and I believe that was the key (his penned area is directly beside the tv). We also -still- leave our tv on for not only the rabbit, but the dogs, as it helps drown out outside noises that cause them to bark. I hear things outside many times, the dogs will hear the same noise.. raise their head to listen, then write it off as the tv. (whew)

                    Rabbits are fragile, yes… but they aren’t made out of glass (which was my initial impression with all the warnings out there about how fragile they are).

                    With proper supervision, once the dog and rabbit form their relationship, they’ll be fine together.


                  • Deleted User
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                      Naughty me (I honestly didn’t know any of this till I became a BBer much later) – so when Henry was first bought home (keep in mind I truly know and trust MY dogs) I introduced my dogs to my Henry that same afternoon. One of them took on the role of mother (not anymore – she’s over him lol) and to this day, Henry loves ‘HIS’ dogs! The only attention we humans get is if we have food. Oh, and he has an itch on his back that he can’t reach, then we are lucky that we get to pet/scratch him?
                      A few of us BBer’s have non bunny companions for their bunny – but I always worry about ‘encouraging’ it with others, cause you never know???? and I’d hate to hear of a tragedy, just cause ‘someone else did it’. But in the next breath, it is a wonderful experience. Watching my guys – makes my heart melt! What I often read is ‘SUPERVISION’ and a quick safe hidey place for bunny to escape to if necessary.
                      Noise, lol – just yesterday the dogs went charging outside through the doggy door barking madly while Henry was in the middle of his dinner (how rude) and all he did was lift his head (yep, with his kale still hanging from his mouth) till he got the all clear (pleased he can understand dog talk????), and he just continued on munching! It may take a while, but I believe bun’s get used to their noisy surroundings eventually.
                      I personally have never seen/heard my boy thump – but I have been told you can’t miss it, so it’s good that a bunny can give you a warning if they sense danger or discomfort in their surroundings. Well, I think I have blabbed on enough – I better leave room on this thread for others, ha ha ha. Wishing you the very best Katie Alice. Cheers, Henry’s mum.


                    • Bam
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                        My dog is a German Shepherd and my home has plenty of escape-routes for bunnies where she couldn’t follow due to her size. If there should be an incident. There hasn’t been one yet. My dog was 3 when I got Bam and we’d done lots of obedience-training. I didn’t leave them alone togeather for the first few months, but now I do.

                        As the article says, it’s a feeling. I Think it’s a very good article. If your dog gets along with a piggy, I’d say chances are good that she’ll get along with a rabbit as well. I guess rabbits are more jumpy, though, and you need to be able to tell your dog no so she understands it if she tries to chase the bun.

                        It’s always difficult to assess a person’s general cleverness and capacity for understanding from a few forum-posts, but as I wrote before, the fact that your dog can handle the piggy, makes the prognosis seem good.

                        Bunnies don’t automatically drop down dead in the mere prescence of a dog. The can very well die of fright, but most rabbits survive the smell and sight of a dog. Otherwise there would be dead rabbits all over the place. A place to hide is important though, like a tunnel or a hidey-house with two entrances/exits.


                      • Elrohwen
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                          It depends on the rabbit, but most will get used to it. My dog can be loud, and he’s fast moving and high energy, and even my nervous girl is fine with him. He can run around barking and she doesn’t care anymore. She is still very nervous if outside dogs come into our house, so she’s not fine with dogs in general, but has learned to be fine with ours. My other rabbit is extremely laid back and has never cared one bit about the dog.

                          When I brought the dog home, I spent a couple weeks letting the rabbits see him (through a gate) and giving them lots of treats for approaching him. Not all rabbits will need this, but it’s the way to go for the nervous types. Having lots of hiding places for the rabbit helps as well.

                          Rabbits dropping dead of fear is very much over exaggerated. If a rabbit is being attacked by a wild animal, I suppose it could happen, but they are sturdy animals and aren’t going to go into shock from a dog barking.


                        • DaisyBunz
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                            Yeah, a bunny just dropping dead is very overrated. They can go into panic if the dog or whatever is really scaring them. They will often scream and pant.
                            The shock they can go into is life threatening, and many bunnies have died in hutches as a predator tries to enter the enclosure, like a raccoon or other creature.


                          • mijOok
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                              Since I believe from your other post that your bunny will be from a pet shop, that bunny will probably be used to a busier surrounding of shoppers, ppl trying to play with it through the cage, other animals in the shop, etc. But gauging from how skittish or relaxed the bun you pick is will vary on picking how/when to introduce your bunny to your dog. I don’t have a dog anymore, but when I helped a friend puppy-sit a 4-month old Chihuahua/Pomeranian mix who was was VERY yappy and excited to see my bun… my bun just looked at him like he was so annoying but didn’t pay him any attention lol long story short – my bun is still alive and well after the puppy stayed with us for a month.


                            • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                                I think the statements that those pet store employees made, really reflect on the lack of knowledge many pet store employees have, rather then the truth of the situation.

                                Like others have said your dog must be properly trained, and even then will need to be supervised around the bunny. And certainly a very timid frightened bunny is going to have trouble adjusting more so then an outgoing tank of rabbitude bunny. But drop dead from fright-I think that’s a movie thing?

                                My rabbits don’t get upset over any barking. My dog has lived with us 5 years. Did they get upset in the beginning? You bet. But it wasn’t hide all night or super anxiety, it was more ‘who is this terribly smelly loud thing in my house’. I spent months of slow work introducing them, but it was more for my dog (who is crazy high energy and had zero training) then their sakes. Slow and easy, everyone got used to how they smelled, no one became overwhelmed, and now they are totally fine with each other.

                                In fact my one rabbit Kahlua was still a bit wary of my dog; she fell ill this summer and spent the summer in a playpen in our bedroom so a lot of time with my dog. When she was out for cleaning, he would lick her and tend to her. And then when she was learning to run again he would hang out with her. Safe to say they actually came close to being buds and she sure lost any reservations she had towards him.

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