Opaque viscous mucuous

[MimzMum]

Well my Valentine’s Day has gotten off to a lovely start, and that is NOT a pun.

About 2 this morning, I am reading, trying to get sleepy and Mimzy rears back on his sleeping shelf after eating his Oxbow pellets and sneezes, heavily, three times. As he’s sneezing, I suddenly see a semi-thick and runny, opaque mucous begin to blow from each of his nostrils. One side started swinging down to his mouth and as soon as it tickled his whiskers, he slurped it up, then began washing his face furiously. I went as fast as I could to try to get a sample to maybe find a way to take to the doctor but he was too fast. I am now wondeirng if the only reason I have not seen this before is he is getting to it before I can properly stop him.

Now I must ask, is there ANYTHING other than the dreaded Pasteurella that would cause this kind of mucous? It looks similar to what he sneezed out back in October and then he was fine by the time we rushed him to the vet, so we chalked it up to something stuck in his nose. But he was still sneezing most of the night (and has been sneezing off and on for a few days now) and I was so disturbed by what I’d seen I could not sleep. I have an appointment for 3 PM Wednesday to take all three in to the doc for nail trims and general well checks that I made yesterday afternoon, but I’ve warned them I may want a swab for Mimzy just to be sure he is not fighting infection. I don’t know if they’ll have to put him out for that and I am worried about another anesthetic for him in as little as two weeks.

I keep thinking it’s whatever I’m cleaning their night pens with and their subsequent confinement there with the dog in the house. I notice Mimzy pees once in his litter box during the day or night and then only poops once in it and then leaves more outside it on the floor, I’m thinkig it must be smelling really bad but I don’t notice it because I don’t have a bunny’s delicate nose. I clean that thing twice a day wihtout fail and wash it out and rinse it and put fresh litter in.

But if it is the big P, then what chance all three bunnies are carrying it? Are Pip and Fiver going to start blowing their heads off next? Might they never exhibit symptoms? Do I continue the bonding process with Mim and Pip when I can finally get them together again? Or could it just be the stress of Mimzy living apart from Pip that has caused all of this? (He doesn’t seem to mind being away from her, nor she him, but I may be mistaking separation moodiness on his part for lethargy due to infection.)

How long does it take to get a culture back? (I’m thinking they have to send it out of state to a proper lab.) And does this mean he’ll be on constant antibiotics for hte rest of his life? Or just when symptoms present?

I want to give him some Benadryl, but I am not sure if it will make all that gunk cake up and be harder for him to breathe rather than easier. Or dry him out too much. I just don’t know. *headdesk*

If I didnt’ have to have the vet do all the nails and check Fiver’s feet and Pip’s poopy butt I’d try to just take Mimzy in to get him seen maybe a bit earlier…but I’ve got to try to keep this as low on budget as possible if he’s going to need a series of meds for awhile. I am sure if they are expensive for us, they must be astronomical for rabbits.

LPT, you’ve been through this before…how many different medicines did they give you and how long did Olivia have to take them?

Katnip, Dana Krempels said (and I printed it up) that blood tests aren’t necessary for Pasteurella titer. Are there any other tests I need to be sure the doc performs so I don’t have to stress Mimzy out with extra trips to town? If he has the germ, I want his life to become royal and he be as comfortable as possible to prevent recurrence.

[Scarlet_Rose]

Mimz sweetie I am so sorry to hear your Valentines Day got off to such a horrible start. (((HUGS)))  I am also sorry that I haven’t gotten to this post until now and you’ve probably worried your heart out over Mimzy.

Mimzy may have the dreaded Pasturella, but it could also be a cold as well and without testing it is really hard to say.  What I am also wondering is if there is something wrong with Mimzy’s sinuses, like they get blocked easily and this once in a while booger trajectory isn’t just build-up from it getting stuck in the sinus passage and it finally breaks loose.  If this is the case, I wonder if a humidifier *might* help.  This is coming from someone who suffers from chronic sinusitis.

As for tests, the vet can do a cytology will help tell if there is yeast present and for a bacterial infection, a culture/sensitivity test can be done so then it can be decided which course (if any) of treatment to start with what antibiotics.   It can be expensive though to run these types of diagnostics.  I would also caution you against letting a vet diagnose pasteurella without a cuture test because, according to my handy dandy Rabbit Health in the 21st Century, pseudomonas aeruginosa, bordatella bronchiseptica, streptococcus & staphylococcus infections are mistaken for pasteurella because the symptoms are similar.It depends on the severity of the infection and type what meds would be prescribed so I hate to say XYZ med would be used.  Baytril is the most common antibiotic that I know of which is prescribed for rabbits (especially with pasteurella). 

Since I know you like to peruse articles here are a few:

http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/morfz/rabrefs.html#past

Info on antiobiotics (appropriate use):

http://www.rabbit.org/health/antibiotics.html

 

 

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

Their are definitely other things beside Pasturella that can cause sneezing. I’m sorry to hear that!! It’s scary-I’m taking Rupert in on Tuesday to see my vet (mon is a holiday here) as he’s sneezed a bit lately-I’m sure it’s the hay(I took home shelter hay, and it’s got small leaves of alfalfa in it-it’s 10% alfalfa 90% timothy-they LOVE it-but it could be causeing irriation…) or an irritant, and their is no discharge but I’m so paranoid about their health I’d just rather get some bloodwork done.

Scarlet I have that book too and I love it!! Some great stories and info-and some sad stories too.

Mimz keep us posted!! *hugs*

[Scarlet_Rose]

Is it an awesome book K&K. I even have the “first” sprial bound version of it called “Rabbit Health 101.”

[BinkyBunny]

Oh gosh, and whaddya know – it’s a weekend too and Monday is a holiday – not sure if it is for vets though.

I think you had his teeth checked? I know with Rucy, she always has these kinds of problems, but hers are always due to teeth issue – mostly up in the root area if everything else checks out fine, and strong dose of baytril for three weeks seems to have helped clear most of it up. Today is her last day on it so we’ll see.

I think the advice you got to make sure that your vet is able to get a culture would the be only way. I mean it seems you have been through it all with trying to figure it out.

As far as getting tests back – on average it takes about week from my vet. Some places may take longer depending on where they are and where they send it out to.

[MimzMum]

Thank you for responding, Rose. Yes, I kind of figured most folks were out enjoying the day with their significant others…me I spent most of it just watching my bunny like a hawk.

I have read the one on the culture testing. Thank you for posting it again. The other was so full of links it’s going to take some time to go through it all, but I have till Wednesday (hopefully if Mim doesn’t get worse). I had no idea though that there were so many other things it could be that is causing this problem. A cold? I know cats supposedly don’t get ‘colds’, but bunnies do? Hogeeze. I had no idea. And that antibiotics can kill a rabbit up to ten days after administration is finished is scary. I know my vet has experience with rabbits, but I would say her expertise is related to them only in a livestock fashion, and sadly she is all I have. She is good with handling the bunnies, I give her that…but I am wary as to whether she really can diagnose an illness specifically as she told me I would need a blood test to determine if he had Pasteurella and that means knocking him out. She seems terribly reluctant to give Mimzy any kind of medication, of course he’s NEVER displaying symptoms in the office and we’ve done x-rays a week ago that showed nothing and I really don’t want to have to do them again. I wish there were some way to make this all less expensive, both for me and for the vet. (Just taking care of Shadow’s tumor with the laser was over $100 just to fire the thing up.)
So I have to have a culture taken, I think in another thread we were discussing that this should just be a nasal swab. But Mimzy is very skittish about his nose, doesn’t want it touched for love or money, so I am concerned that my doctor is going to want him sedated even for that. I can’t imagine that will be any good for whatever is ailing him in his sinuses.

I do want to bring a humidifier in here. And I have noticed that most of his sneezing occurs in early evening or late night and sometimes very early mornings…this may be times when the air changes in the house, temperature wise or moisture related, but I just can’t isolate it specifically. If my little digital hygrometer is correct, we only have 30% humidity in here at any given time, that seems awfully low. It took me years to adjust to the winters here due to this, I am more suited for 40-50% at the least. But these units are so hard to keep clean and stocked with filters, and we have to keep it clean with the windows all shut for another two months, can you recommend a certain brand?

One more thing that keeps bothering me…one of the two other rabbits Mimzy was abandoned with did not look well the last time we saw him and now I am wondering if this was the reason they were all dumped? He was an REW and he had a bit of a runny nose and dirty looking ears just before he vanished, but I attributed it to the fact that he was a white rabbit living in the dirt crawlspace under our building and it was almost time for snow to hit. I was hoping I could’ve rescued him, but he disappeared after that. I will always have to wonder now if he died from an infection and if he spread it to Mimzy and the other rabbit before I brought Mimzy home.

I know nothing will be determined until we have more tests done…I just want to be sure I’m asking for the right ones. Taking a checklist with me. (I’m not going to get talked out of this, I can’t stand seeing Mimzy sneeze, it’s tearing me up.)

I also find it strange that neither Pip nor Fiver is showing any signs of illness, and they are all closely quartered together. I guess I can count those as lucky stars, but I am worried that they might have this, whatever it is, too.

I’m going to have to read the other posts that came in as I sent my response a little later, it’s cage cleaning time now (Pip long since tossed her litter box completely upside down…argh!) …but thank you all for answering! ^_^

[bunnytowne]

Bordatello can do the same  have similar symptoms.  This is more l ike an upper resp infection

yes rabbit health in the 21st century I just got done reading it.

[LittlePuffyTail]

Sorry to hear about your situation. I know how scary it is to think a bun may have Pasteurella. With Olivia, it wasn’t sneezing, it was just an eye infection that lead me to have the culture done. I really scared myself by doing research on the net because pretty much everything I read said that if there is an eye infection, sneezing or mucous it’s probably Pasteurella. My vet even said doing the culture is probably a waste of money because she was 75% sure it would be positive. I did it anyways, and Olivia didn’t need to be put under, which was a relief. The culture had to be shipped out of province and took two weeks to come back negative. Very stressful two weeks. I did a lot of hand washing between rabbits.

In my experience, don’t let what you read scare you! It’s hard not to be a hypochondriac with all the info out there.

Please let us know what the vet says asap!

[MimzMum]

Thanks everyone! ^_^ You have no idea how much it helps to have others to talk to about this who have been through it or who have just spent enough time with bunnies to know what to look for. I have been in tears for days, even with the clear radiographs, because he’s still had problems and I am just wracking my brain trying to find out what’s causing it. When he starts sneezing, he’s close enough to where I sleep that I’m up like a shot and I’ve been trying to capture what he’s going through on my FLIP cam so I can SHOW the doc.

So since I know about when it starts, I set up camera about 1 AM this morning and waited. I had given him about .4 ml of the 12.5 mg Benadryl, only half the dose the doctor recommended because I wasn’t sure how it would affect him, and I didn’t want him so groggy he fell off his sleeping shelf and hurt himself. He doesn’t like the medicine. Maybe he just can’t appreciate cherry flavor.

And of course, not a thing happened. He was actually fine last night. But I have cut out his treats and also the Oxbow pellets. I waited to see what would happen after he groomed himself, because sometimes that sets it off. Nothing.

So I figured, well heck, I can get some sleep then (about 3 AM) and I passed out. Three hours later, he woke me up with a small sneezing fit. But he was facing away from me so by the time I got the light on and the camera going, it was over and I didn’t get anything to show the vet. Isn’t that just the way? 0_o

It wasn’t as bad as his other sneezing fits though…so I’m hoping the Benadryl did some good, even at that small dose. Or perhaps the combination of that and cutting out his pellets and treats.
You guys should’ve seen his face. Mimzy is rarely what you’d call a disapproving bun…but he got up on the new shelf I installed (the one without the divot for the dish) and there’s no pellet bowl full of nommies and he found instead his little plush carrot toy. He picked that thing up and looked under it and sniffed all around and poked his nose at the shelf and then gave me the BIGGEST stink eye you’d ever want to see. I was definitely on his bunny bb list last night. ;P

I think I’ll go ahead and have her test him for the big P, and also that Bordetella, BT. What a funny name for an infection…it sounds like some kind of lunch meat you’d get at a delicatessen. lolz….

I’ll be sure to let you all know what happens. Thanks again for sticking with me through all this, I know it has to be frustrating for all of you as well.

[KatnipCrzy]

MimzMum-  the Benadryl should not dry his sinus passages at all- it is not a “drying” medication like decongestants are.  Sudafed used to be a type of decongestant that was drying- I think they make it with a different ingredient now due to over the counter abuse by kids.

Bordetella is Kennel Cough- which can be harbored by other animals.  I girl I work with got a puppy from a breeder and then later her cat was sick and they cultured the discharge and it came back as a Bordetella sp- but usually a culture is ordered with sensitivities so they knew what drugs it responded to.

I am not sure is Pasteurella is a single test- and they test for just that, or is it is a culture and they basically apply it to a medium and see what grows- identify under the microscope what has grown and see what it responds to.

I don’t know what stores you have around you- but I know there are a lot of competing stores like Wal-Mart, Target, etc that have low cost prescriptions for $4 for some of the cheap generics- being it is for a rabbit will limit it more than it would for a cat or dog as many capsules and tablets would be impossible to dose.  It varies from store to store though there are similarities between some of the lists.  But getting an outside prescription could be a cheaper way to go regardless if it is on the $4 list or not.  Explain to your vet that you are concerned about cost- but want to get the approp meds- and if it is possible to get meds from Walmart, Target, where ever to save money that would be very helpful to you if this is a possibility- and will make affording the necessary diagnostic tests easier.

Some meds are not going to be available thru a regular pharmacy- Baytril is animal only and some will not be available in a form to give a rabbit- like Metacam/Meloxicam is only available in tablet form for humans and is in “adult” human dosages- so that is not practical or safe for rabbits.  But if antibiotics are in liquid form as many are for children that may be a possibility- and flavors can be added that bunnies might like.

I have used these medication “programs” for pets before- about a year ago I took my sister-in-laws dog to the vet for a bladder infection- unfortunately none of the antibiotics on the list were recommended by the vet as likely to effective, so in this case I was not able to save any money.  Charlie, the Golden Retriever foster dog I have right now is on 2 generic prescriptions from Target- Meloxicam (Metacam) and Tramadol.  Meloxicam was not the first choice my vet would have chosen, but it was reasonable enough to be effective so I was able to pay $4 for a month on NSAID’s as opposed to $60. 

What was Mimzy under sedation for recently? 

[RabbitPam]

The others are much more knowledgeable so I’ll keep it short (for a change), but since tomorrow is Monday, I’d suggest calling the vet and asking her what she’d prefer you bring on Wednesday. I’m not sure the camera is going to help her much, but you might consider a little cup or container ready right near his cage with a q-tip and a tissue, so when he sneezes you can quickly wipe his nose and get a little sample in the cup.

Ask if the Benedryl will mask his symptoms. She may want him off it for 24 hrs. or so in order to get an accurate reading.
Why is he knocked out for a blood test? My vet jabs and gets some blood fast while she’s awake.

And I doubt he’s given anything to the other 2, since they have been fine through all of this.
{{{{{{Hugs, MM}}}}}}}}

(((((gesundheit, Mimzy.)))))

[MimzMum]

Okay, let me try to answer the questions and comment….

First of all, Pam, Mimzy says, “Excusemethankyou.”

I am not sure I could find something uncontaminated that I could contain mucous in that would keep it fluid enough to be tested, but I could give it a shot. I think that’s a good idea to talk to the vet about tomorrow, Pam, thanks. I hadn’t thought of asking her beforehand.

I don’t plan on giving any meds 24 hours before his appointment, so he can actually show symptoms at the vets if he has them, but that’s a good reminder. I do the same thing when I go to the doc if I can help it, I try to stay off anything I’m not supposed to be on as per a daily basis.

What concerns me about Pip and Fiver is that I wash all the litterboxes together (thoroughly, but together) and their bowls and water bottles too. My space is limited, and they all live within five feet of each other. Anything aerobic is definitely shared. Not to mention how I go from one bunny to the next, sometimes without washing my hands, which one doesn’t think to do if bunny doesn’t appear to be ill. Mimzy and Pip have been trying to bond for the last two years. If he was a carrier of anything, and now is developing symptoms, he’s probably already given it to Pip at least.

Katnip I am surprised that Benadryl doesn’t dry him, (well it looked to me like his upper lip was a little less wet, not that it is much anyway), because whenever *I* take Benadryl, I need so much water the next day to rehydrate. Must just have a different effect on other creatures.

Pretty much my vet supplies all meds, (I’ve had instances where she tells me something I can get from a regular pharmacy) but I am going to see if she can hold off mixing/prescribing anything until after the tests come back, I’d rather not put Mimzy on antibiotics prophylactically. We do have WalMart, so it would be worth a go to see if they can manage whatever she gives him. She’s a pretty sticky person about this kind of thing though, so I hope she’ll understand. Holy cow, I’ve paid her almost $1500 already this last month or so, so she should be a little more understanding I would think.

My vet gave Mimzy a little ‘gas’ recently to make him sleepy enough to take three head x-rays about a week or so ago. She also took one of the chest/abdominal cavity to make sure all was well down there. She pronounced him perfectly fit but for the sneezing. Her diagnosis was allergies or asthma, of all things.
Really, I can accept that if that’s all it is, because like I’ve said before, my house is always awfully dusty. I just can’t keep up with it. So it’s possible that as we close things down for fall and winter, stuff gets trapped in here and swirls around as doors are opened and closed to the bedrooms. But I can’t take the chance it’s not something else…he just seems so uncomfortable as he’s sneezing.
I’ve noticed his sleeping positions are differing from normal too. I know a rabbit’s respiration is quick, but sometimes I think he’s breathing a little too quick or it seems slightly labored. Then he snaps out of it and all is well again. Most likely I’m just seeing things that aren’t there.

He seemed to appreciate the Benadryl’s effects for those few hours I was awake last night, even if he didn’t like the taste. ^_^

EDIT: Oh, and the vet claims she has to put Mimzy under even to take his blood because she doesn’t want the animal ‘jumping suddenly’ and causing itself harm. You can take that with as much salt as you’d like. :-/

[RabbitPam]

Actually, MM, if there’s a chance he’s more sick than allergies, I’d suggest going with the vet’s decision to start hm on a treatment before the test results are in if she says that. The alternative is that he’s progressively more sick for a week or two of waiting. I doubt the adverse effects of being on meds he doesn’t need after all outweigh the problems that can worsen if he isn’t be treated immediately.

You know, humans can adjust their environments thoroughly, but not stop an allergy if it’s severe. You are doing your best for all of them, and it just may require a bunny version of “allergy shots.” Don’t be too hard on yourself.

“jumping suddenly?” hmmm. Thought that was what a strong Medical Assistant was there to prevent.

[bunnytowne]

Hi MM    I agree with Rabbitpam about the meds being given b4 the tests are back.   RAbbits can go downhill so quickly.   The earlier you start treating the better the outcome will be. 

I know the expense you don’t need. 

There are some people that came to our clubhouse and discussed Medicare.   There is a phamphlet they gave us and we can use it right away without signing up for it.  As long as you have medicare that it.   You can even use it for your pets medicine at the vets they said.  Darn I just looked for it and can’t find it.

I have seen it at Walgreens and such though.  It is to assist people with their scripts.  Maybe that can help you out some.  Hopefully.  Our babies can be awfully expensive.

[RabbitPam]

webapp.walgreens.com/MYWCARDWeb/servlet/walgreens.wcard.proxy.WCardInternetProxy/WCardFAQRH#top

BT, I found it. Here’s the link to the Walgreens perscription savings club. You have to join for a year, but it covers your pets as family members.

Also, MM, I joined VPI Pet Insurance. I don’t know if Mimzy now becomes a pre-existing condition, but it’s only about $12/month and it’s just for this kind of thing. http://www.petinsurance.com/

[MimzMum]

Thanks for the links to the Walgreen’s site, but, I don’t think we have Walgreen’s up here, so…
I’ll look up that pet insurance though, been meaning to do that.

Now the only thing that worries me is, if she puts him on antibiotics and he doesn’t have anything they would work on (it’s a 21 day treatment, right? that’s what I read) what are the chances of those doing more harm than good? One of those articles I read says that antibiotics can kill a rabbit up to ten days after conclusion of the round. Is that true? It causes some toxic reaction or something? Or does it just mess up their digestive tracts so they don’t eat and then you have stasis to deal with?

I’m also wondering if maybe it’s a yeast infection? I mean, he does love his sweets…maybe that (a few dried blueberries twice a day-which we don’t do anymore-but maybe he ate those long enough to get an infection started?) has upset the balance of his system and caused his nose to clog. (He had no sneezing last night that I noticed, btw, and I’ve had to tolerate the bunny butt for no pellets being served at all for two days now.) He did have a little more snot come out his nose yesterday, but not as much as a few days ago. I used the Benadryl again when he sneezed during the day and he did great all night.

I’ve been spending most of the day cleaning my bedroom/the bunnies’ room and you guys would not believe all the dust and hair and fur I’m getting out of there today…and hidden behind boxes and furniture, how much hay gets into those little nooks and crannies! 0_o It’s amazing where it can get to, places I don’t think even air can squeeze past! And I try REALLY hard to make sure it doesn’t go anywhere but the bunnies’ mouths, but omg… >.<

I brought out all my bunny books; I have the 21st Century book, When Your Rabbit Needs Special Care, Rabbitlopaedia, Rabbits for Dummies, etc. But of course none of that really made me feel any better, in fact I found one book that says herpes 1 can kill a rabbit (the one that causes the cold sores)…I know we discussed this on the board, and I am always careful when I have blisters on my face anyway, but…that’s just so frightening to think of. I guess between trying everything to stop Mimzy’s sneezing and being unsuccessful at it and all the new things I’m reading…I feel like a terrible bunny mum.

But, trying to keep my chin up anyway…and hoping and praying we’ll find out it’s just the allergies and that some lovely fresh air, warmed by the summer heat, will take all this away for a few months of the year.

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

You’d have to be sterile to get a sample yourself. In university we lit our poker thingy on fire, then cooled it in the substrate, then grabbed a sample and swabbed-it was contaminated otherwise so it would have to be something you could sterilize-although if Mimz is sneezing the vet should be able to grab a sample easily

Most blood work can be taken while they are awake, although if they are scared or jumpy many readings can be off, so they’ll grab a sample while they are under for something else.

Mimz keep us posted!! {{MIMZ}}

[RabbitPam]

MM,
Too much internet and books. You’re an ideas person like I am and I can tell you it’s making you reach for things that are far too complicated and scary to be considered. If you were a vet, that’s one thing, but you have “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing” syndrome and are just scaring yourself way too much. So I have a perscription:

Put back the books. Shut this off. Take Shadow out for a walk in the fresh air and breathe, breathe, breathe.
When you get back inside, call the vet and ask for a list of things she wants you to do to prepare for his appointment tomorrow.
Ask her for a pay plan in installments as well.

Say this mantra all day: Mimzy has a runny nose and I am a good bunny mom who’s taking care if him.

Remember, it’s Tuesday and your appointment is TOMORROW. You can write down all your questions for the vet so you stop running them over in your mind. Make them brief and to the point. Don’t diagnose him yourself, otherwise we’ll be forced to send you to vet school next week.

BTW: If he doesn’t need anti-biotics after the test results come back, he won’t be on them for 21 days. Only if he needs them. And it will probably be only for 10.

I suggest all this as a friend who knows an anxiety build up when she feels it and sees it and wants you to decompress a little for your own sake as well as for all the animals. We’re talking snot here, not herpes. XXX000

[bunnytowne]

Noo if bun contracted cold sores it would be on his eyes.  NO no no dont’ worry it isn’t that.  This is different. Completely different.

Yes when I first got bunny I was on etherbun a lot.  It scared me so I stopped.  You and bun will be ok.   Just give it some time.  This too shall pass.

The VPI insurance my vet accepts the # is  1  800 vet-pets.    Hopefully they will take a pre existing condition.

petinsurance.com is their website.  IN order to obtain the ins they prefer you do it over the phone else you have to fax stuff etc. Much faster over the phone. 

Even though my buns are healthy I think I will get some too.   You just never know.  

My buns are spneutered microchipped  spoiled and soon to be insured.        I am sure  yours will be just fine too.  Just give it time.  The hardest part is the waiting.

 

[Sarita]

I have to agree with rabbitpam on this – it’s just so hard to speculate that’s why in the end you are better off going to the vet for advice rather than reading the internet and worrying yourself. There are just a number of possibilities and all anyone on the forum can do is guess to the best of their knowledge. Sometimes it is better to have the vet’s best guess too but of course a culture is much better to do than to guess – in the end guessing is going to cost more stress, money, and worry.

[MimzMum]

I am sorry to sound so neurotic folks, you are all totally right…I need to just take a step back. I am way in over my head right now. My apologies to everyone for being a nut. >.<

Shadow and I walked this morning, Pam. It’s snowing and it’s like having tiny little angels landing on your face. It feels lovely. I adore February snow, much nicer than Oct.-Jan. snow.

BT, you insured your buns? ^_^ Sorry, had to take that shot, it just sounds so cute and funny. And little Cotton Boo certainly deserves to be spoiled, he is a charmer! I admire him from afar.

Vet school is something I would seriously consider, if I didn’t have the tendency to get queasy at the sight of needles. 0_o I guess I just want something done and RIGHT NOW. lolz… I’m that kind of person.

I have a list of questions for the doc. I had an odd thing happen last night, I had given Mimzy about ten or twelve Oxbow pellets -which he’s been off for two full days- about 2 AM (since Fiver had just gone to bed after tearing around on mine for about an hour and he had his cookie-so Mim was giving me major stink eye) and it seemed he was either having trouble chewing them or swallowing or both. (It was like one was stuck between his teeth and he was trying to get it out.) Within 45 minutes to an hour he was sneezing again, violently, and I had to give Benadryl. It didn’t seem to help all that much, but I think that’s something I’ll mention to the vet tomorrow. We may need to check those teeth again.

And I wasn’t necessarily thinking he had herpes, I just want to be sure he never gets it. Or any of the other bunnies either.

Since he’s my only loppy, it may all just come down to genetics. I notice a lot of lops on the board have health problems that are chronic.

Oh, and I have spoken with my vet about payments before. Her policy for many years now is payment at time of service, no exceptions. I guess we have a lot of deadbeats up here. But I will see if that insurance will cover the bunnies, and hopefully the cats and dogs too. As they age, it’s possible they’ll need more vet care by and by. *nods*

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