Ohhh I so like honey Bun

[bunnytowne]

Some one is coming tomorrow for Honey Bun. We will take him back if it doesn’t work out. Don’t see why it wouldn’t. Anyway. I want to keep him. Hubby said nooo we need the room for us. Ohhhh. I was lying on the couch with him. He honks hums and gives me kisses. He is used to being a free roam bun. No cage. HE is lying in the hall way right now. Cotton was ohh so upset. His x pen is there keeping cotton from the kitchen and front door area. Cotton settled down now. Gosh I just want to keep that gentle giant. He is great.

I have to brush him a lot. He sheds in clumps. Thats ok. OH and Ruby is shedding now too. For real. Oh this ought to be fun. I love grooming

[bunnytowne]

lol hubby said sure you can keep him til I get 50.00 for him. probably for the best. HE is such a lap bunny tho. Oooooo. I hope Ruby turns out that way. Kayla seems to think she will.

I was on hubby’s couch with HOney Bun. A little later I look over and Cotton is sittin on his rug glaring at us. I felt so bad. I moved. I put honey bun in his house and cleaned up changed shirts. And cotton is his usual self again. OH my drive me crazy. Poor little Cotton feeling left out. How could he he still gets lots of attention.,

[MimzMum]

BT I don’t remember…you called HoneyBun a gentle giant…. Is he a Flemish Giant? Do you have pix of him onboard somewhere? Would love to see him.

[bunnytowne]

Honey Bun is a french lop. Not the english with super long ears but a big french with reguler lop ears. He weighs about 10 lbs. HE is sooo sweet. I can’t give up cotton or Ruby tho. I want them all 3 of them.

A friend of hubby’s is coming to get Honey Bun today. I am sure he will be happier there. Getting more attention and out time. I give him some everyday when I am home all day. But there are times we go to Dr. or something and I can’t get to them all. So probably for the best. I rather see him happy than have him to look at and pet every 2 or 3 days. He deserves his own home with lots of love and attention. Of course we have an agreement. If they can’t handle having a bun he comes back home. I doubt they will return him. And I dont want him bouncing around.

I am going to miss him.

Then just Ruby and Cotton. My two cuties.

I am going to have a simple knee surgery I have a torn ligament. The simple 8 minute surgery Dr will remove the torn part and I should be painfree. Yeah I sure hope so. I will be able to walk out he said. I hope they put me under. If there is a sheet and I can’t see it I shoudl be ok. I had to be put out for my carpel tunnel surgery. I would have passed out it being so close to my face and able to see what is being done.

If anyone of you had a simple surgery to remove torn cartilidge I would like to know how it turned out.

[xnovalentine]

i realize that you don’t know me or haven’t heard from me since you’ve appeared on the boards, but i do check in from time to time and i’ve read many of your posts about all your rabbits.

there is no question in my mind that you sincerely care for these rabbits, so don’t assume anything out of context.

i was not aware that you sold these rabbits that you obtain from various places, which is interesting to me, since we here, or at least I do not promote the selling of rabbits. there are so many that need good loving homes, selling them is just horrid to me, your profit is not in their best interest. even if you approve of the home they are going to.

if your selling the buns so you can support them, perhaps that is a bit twisted seeings as how they are easily stressed being shifted from one place to the next. fostering is one thing, but selling is another. there is a grave ethical difference between fostering and selling, and I for one see you collecting and if what you just stated is true, selling. which in my eyes, is intolerable. which is why i chose to comment.

sometimes we don’t often realize what we are doing or if what we are doing is wrong or hurting others. that doesn’t make it right, but i do think you need to reconsider your idea of what is the best for these rabbits. it only appears you collect them because they are cute and cuddly, not because you have the means to take care of them in the way they deserve to be taken care of. when we bring these creatures into our lives, we need to give them our full love and attention to make their lives better as they do ours. in and out can’t possible be healthy for them.

i’ve also read about your medical and financial stresses that you take on. obviously caring for rabbits, who are sneaky and quick, is not the best for someone with knee and back problems. i for one, have rheumatism in my knees and ankles and taking care of one rabbit is a chore for me both physically and financially, and i don’t have the help of another as you do.

i for one, and probably every other member here, can relate to walking into a pet store or shelter and wanting to take every single animal home with me because they are absolutely adorable. but to have so many animals would only be a disservice to them, because they cannot get the adequate care and attention that they so deserve. i do feel sorry for them, and my heart sinks to leave them behind to unknown fates, but it is both in mine and lullabelle’s best interest that i do not bring us both a new stress to deal with, no matter how noble it may be. if i were so noble, i’d be living in a zoo.

i realize it is none of my business to butt in your posts out of nowhere and comment on your lifestyle, it just concerns me that you would find such a thing appropriate. as i said, fostering is much different than what you are doing. i love animals, rabbits in particular, just as much as you do i’m sure but i could never keep bringing them in and handing them out. it would be too heart wrenching for me. volunteering appears to be something that you would be good at seeings how you love to bring in and care for the buns and finding them new homes. by going through a shelter you are helping more rabbits than you are now.

it also concerns me for cotton. bringing new rabbits in and out frequently is extremely stressful for rabbits as they are territorial and if unaltered extremely hormonal. i have bunnysat for a friend and i know first hand, as do many others here, that entering another bun’s territory is extremely stressful and can turn the personality of your precious rabbit backwards. not to mention extreme pee and poop wars, but we are all aware of that. maybe setting aside your good intentions and putting your responsibilities you already have first would be healthier for cotton. you’ve said yourself that cotton gets stressed out with the other buns around. it tore me to pieces to see my rabbit stressed from the presence of another rabbit when i left for a couple days for a short trip. i can only imagine what cotton must look like with so many new rabbits in and out.

i am also concerned as sometimes you don’t seem very clear in your explanations, maybe as if your leaving parts out. i have no way of knowing this, but its also concerning to assume that maybe there are more rabbits, or more to what your doing. again, do not take it out of context, i am suggesting maybe you should be more clear and thorough in your explanations and descriptions of your posts.

again, i realize you don’t know me well nor do i know you. i don’t really post much anymore and am only here maybe once a week checking in on things. i gathered my assumptions from what you have written, and again, they are only my assumptions which means that they may hold no validity. again, i posted out of concern. i don’t like to invade unless i feel there is something wrong and something should be made clear. what you or anyone else does with it is in their possession.

[Beka27]

^^^these are concerns that we’ve expressed to BunnyTowne. she does love her bunnies SO MUCH. it is very clear that she cares for each and every one they take in. she’s unable to volunteer in a traditional way due to her lack of transportation.

i disagree with you regarding asking for an adoption fee. it is absolutely the best thing to ask for some money in return. if she was to give the bunnies away, anyone would take them and either abuse them, fail to provide adequate care, or turn them into snake (or even worse in my mind) human food. i think most everyone who adopts and rehomes ask for an adoption fee, this is necessary to rule out people and recoup some of the cost of vet care, food, etc. there is no way to really make a profit doing this. you will always spend more money than you are going to take back in.

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Okay, but does loving a rabbit really mean it’s necessary to stress them out by constant moving and stressing the original rabbit, who is probably so confused by the constant addition and loss of certain rabbits. Sure you can love something but that doesn’t mean you have to constantly have them.

[Beka27]

i agree LL. it is stressful for Cotton and the other bunnies that are being shuffled around, but it is her choice to make.

[Lightchick]

If nobody was willing to put up with the hassle and stress of bringing-in and moving-out rabbits in their private homes, there would no longer be foster situations, and more rabbits would be stuck in shelters, or worse. I would advocate making a poor situation a little better, if that is all that is possible, rather than giving up entirely. It seems awfully defeatist to decide, “since I can’t do this absolutely perfectly, I’m not going to do anything at all.” If that was how everybody thought, there would be no rabbit rescues, because obviously those don’t adhere to our ideas of perfect bunny environments either, what with the cages and the moving in and out of animals, the not enough time for 3 hours a day of interaction for every animal, etc. But I would still contend that the rabbits have a better shot at happiness in an imperfect rescue than if they were given up on and left where they were at. I think it’s great that Honey Bun was saved from shelter and is off to (hopefully) a forever home. I commend those who try to make things better, even in the face of challenges and imperfections.

[Sarita]

It is true that in foster situations rabbits come and go and while it’s not ideal it’s better than not getting a chance at all. The only problem is that sometimes you end up keeping the rabbit and caring for it the rest of their life if you cannot find a home for it or they end up having medical conditions or behavior issues…that’s something you have to be prepared for in case a home doesn’t come along – that is the reason I have ended up with 10 rabbits. I know their situation is far from perfect but they get fed and their area cleaned daily.

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

I think the point that xnovalentine is trying to make is that bunnytowne is struggling financially and physically to take care of these rabbits, and has said multiple times that she can’t handle it yet she continues to do this and it’s becoming a huge stress to her and the rabbits.

Like I said, you can love something, but it doesn’t mean you have to throw yourself into a situation you can’t handle, which is where I think a few of us believe bunnytowne is headed.

I was also under the impression bunnytowne’s housing situation didn’t allow for a lot of animals? She always talked about having to hide them and how stressful that was?

[Lightchick]

That’s so generous of you to share your life and time and home with so many buns, Sarita! It sounds like BT is prepared to care for Honey Bun if she has to, which would mean she’s assuming responsibility for her foster furbabies too. Kudos to both of you! I only have 1.5 bunnies, and they keep me plenty busy! I appreciate all you guys do, even if I couldn’t do it myself!

[Sarita]

Yes, I know Lion Lop and that is a different matter altogether.

[Lightchick]

I would hazard to conjecture that because BT is such an open-poster, sharing her life with us in such a free manner, that maybe we feel as though we know her circumstances and what she can handle as well as she can. The best I can say on the topic is that I appreciate her open heart, and feel for her trials that she shares with us (her bunny-community), and if there is any question I can answer for her, I would be happy to do so. But I don’t even know BT’s name, much less anything else about her, so I couldn’t begin to say what she can and can’t handle. I hope she can use this forum to gather enough information to decide that for herself.

BT, I’m sorry you’ll miss Honey Bun, but I hope you can have a bit of a relax now with your two little ones you still have!

[Sarita]

I hope this works out for Honey Bunny too – he sounds like a great rabbit.

[kimberleyanddarren]

its important for her to SELL her bunnies. The reasons being that if she gives them away for free people may pretend to really liek bunnies etc etc and may just want them for free meat, and i know it sounds sad and far fetched but it does happen. Every bun NEEDS to be advertised at a price or they will go to people wanting meat rabbits or fun for their dogs or whatever. She must sell them its in the bunnies best interests to ensure they get a good home.

BT – i think all your bunnies are so lucky to have someone who cares for them so much even putting them first in ill health, we all know they will always be looked after well by you and we know you will ensure they go to the BEST of the best homes. I think its so good what you do to help all the poor buns who are at risk – go you!

[Sarita]

I think a better word is an adoption fee for this as she is not selling the rabbits she is adopting them out.

[RabbitPam]

I’m sorry for this aside, but Lightchick, 1.5 bunnies?
What’s a half a bunny? (baby? dwarf? I’m just getting funny images…)

Oh, and also, if you ever want to communicate more privately to any person who posts, you can click their name and it will take you to their profile. There you can send an email if they’ve chosen to provide a link. It goes through Binkybunny, so you still won’t get their personal info. unless they choose to answer you, providing their name, etc. if they wish. I think BB has set up a nice system for that option. Sometimes you want to recommend something to someone that’s off topic, or is just more personal.

[Lion_Lop_Lover]

Some people will dish out $50 for a rabbit though, and still feed it to a snake or do something else awful to it that way. Like, I think it would be better to find a completely trustworthy home and schedule several interviewers with potential adoptees and then when they meet criteria to let them adopt the rabbit free of charge. Because really, what does money do? Money doesn’t ensure a good home…I’ve found that to be the case in my experience with working with animal retail and free adoptions.

I don’t mean to start a word war, but if you’re charging $50 for a rabbit you’re selling it, not adopting it out…

[Beka27]

i’m just going to reiterate that it is her choice to make. however you word what she does, she has the right to do it, and while we might not all agree with what she does or how she handles it, it’s not our call.

[Lightchick]

Hi, Rabbitpam!

I have one lovely Diva Bunny, Lizzy. But my boyfriend and I recently took over Thumper from bf’s mom, as he wasn’t getting as much attention as we thought we could give him. So bf has Thumper at his place, and I have Lizzy at mine, but Thumper is definitely my boy even though he doesn’t live with me! He’ls my beloved step-bunny! Thus, 1.5 bunnies!

I “bought” Lizzy from a respected rabbit rescue for $65. I spent several hours in the shelter talking to the volunteers and meeting bunnies. They came over to my apartment to make sure Lizzy was going to a good home. I don’t resent the $65 at all. I’d give them more money for the buns I didn’t bring home, if I could! Money-exchange and research are not mutually exclusive, in my experience.

[RabbitPam]

Oh, of course, Lightchick – I’ve been following your posts about Thumper.
Your bf sounds very sweet and if I’m right you’re both hot on the trail of Flower.

Sorry BT. Don’t mean to divert your post. I’m glad to hear Honey Bun is in a home with people you know and you’re back to Cotton and Ruby.
Good luck on your surgery.

[Beeslee]

Well I just have to throw my thoughts into this because I see this debate all the time on Craigslist etc etc. I think if you want to add an adoption fee and make sure the bun goes to a good home do so but take the money then and donate it to a bun rescue group or have them provide a receipt that they donated the monies to the rescue group. This will show good faith on both parties and the rescue groups sure could use all the help as possible. Like I said I have seen this debate all the time and it can go back and forth forever. This seems to be the best solution on adoption fee/or selling especially when it comes from a private party and not a rescue group. Rescue groups should have an adoption fee to cover some cost for all the care they needed to do and to keep the shelter open. Just my thoughts.

I’m sure Honey Bun will have a wonderful home. Bun hugs to HB!!!

[bunnytowne]

Gee guys. I know another lady who does rescue and she charges 75.00 adoption fee. Her buns are neutered and spayed out of her pocket. And I understand the fee to continue on for other buns.

Also the person didn’t come for Honey Bun. OH well I am happy to keep him. HE is used to being free roam no pen. So last nite we set him up to play in the kitchen all nite. He was so happy this morning.

Yes I talk to much about my personal stuff. Some people are just too open.  ME. HB is hubby’s bun I put 35 he wants 50 I will be asking lots of questions and sittin at the comptuer with the person who adopts HB from me.

My friend who took Nora in well her little sister really wants HB bad. I would like him to go to her but her parents say no. I know that would be the ideal home. Her parents came too and agreed he is a special bun. I dont’ want him going to just anyone.

Nora is doing really great. My friend told me she runs up to be petted and groomed. Nora likes not competing with Ruby. Ruby would run up and push her aside wanting me to pet only herself ms. Ruby. So Nora wouldn’t run up to me cause she knew Ruby would push her away. i am glad Nora doesn’t have another bun to compete with. She can get one on one.

Hubby takes care of his cleaning and stuff so I only take care of 2 buns.   We saw a gorgeous one at humane society other day looked at each other and said no way and hurried off. I said why get more problems for ourselves. We have 3 buns we absolutely love. NO MORE

The knee surgery is real simple i will walk out right after Dr. said.

[kimberleyanddarren]

she will be doing both interviews and charging a fee i should imagine, but having the fee there just makes sure that no-one who really isnt that interested is even going to bother contacting. Yes some people do pay for rabbits to feed to their snakes but they arent going to pay a large amount nor are they going to go to somewhere which is very careful about who gets the rabbits.

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