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› FORUM › HOUSE RABBIT Q & A › Help please, need ideas, what’s caused this & what to do?
Please bear with me if this is long but I don’t want to miss any details out.
We have a bunny who we rescued aged about 1 year old. He’d come from a pretty poor living environment & had never been given hay. When he got to us we tried everything we could to get him to eat it, but he would have literally starved himself to death rather than eat any of the hundreds of varieties we tried. On the advice of our vet we eventually moved to high fibre pellets & veggies & GI wise this seemed to suit him, he’s always been a healthy weight & never had a sniff of digestive issues.
It did however cause problems with his teeth, & we’ve had to take him regularly for burrs, but he’s never needed to be put under for these & they don’t phase him.
He also then got an abscess, which ended up being osteomyelitis. He had surgery & recovered well. The wound was left open. He’s had a couple of minor recurrences of infection since, but we clean the opening regularly & with the dentals he’s had no real problems.
Now a week ago he was due a routine dental so we made the appointment but our usual vet had left the practise. Because we’ve always had total confidence in everyone in the surgery we agreed to have him seen by a different vet.
When he came home from the vets he seemed fine but about 48 hours later he started to seem a little out of sorts. Then he got a bit funny about eating his veggies, but to be fair he can be a bit like that, so we just got a variety of other things to tempt him & he started eating again. Then yesterday he completely stopped eating anything & spent most of the day resting the side of his face (previous abscess side) on the floor, or up against anything cool he could find. It’s blatantly obvious that he’s in serious pain with his mouth.
Our suspicion is that something happened during the dental that has led to this pain. We took him to the vets first thing today, but they are now telling us they won’t even look at his teeth until he’s eating & pooping again. Problem is this seems a bit catch 22 as it’s very obviously the mouth pain that’s stopping him eating. He still shows an interest in his favourite herbs, but then when it comes to trying to open his mouth to get them in he just can’t.
We’ve managed to syringe feed him critical care about 100mls over the course of the day & given him water via syringe regularly, but no poops yet. I’ve done a few belly massages & it’s lovely & soft, really doesn’t feel like he has gas, I’m convinced the issue is mouth pain, not gastric problems if that makes sense?
My questions are, any ideas what could have happened during the dental to cause this? & anything else we could be doing to help him eat? It feels like we are in an impossible situation where he’s just suffering.
Hmmm, it does sound like something with his mouth. Can they prescribe a pain med? It could be that his teeth are sensitive from the filing and they just need some time to grow a bit. Pain can actually cause gastric slow down, so even if the initial cause is pain, both the pain and tummy issues should be dealt with.
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He’s been prescribed loxicom 1.4 mls twice daily, but it doesn’t seem to gave touched the pain. Maybe my first point of call should be a stronger painkiller tomorrow? Hopefully then poor Stew will feel less stressed & more likely to poop? It’s heartbreaking feeling him trying to rest his sore spot comfortably while we’re trying to syringe feed him. 😭
It hust feels like trying to do the right thing has caused him more pain!
I think a stronger pain med and full assessment by the vet would be my first order of business tomorrow. It’s very strange that they said they wouldn’t even look at his teeth… if they continue to refuse you might want to get a second opinion (or ask for another vet at the same clinic).
I can understand not wanting to do unnecessary procedures, but vets usually do try to find a cause for stasis.
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Thank you, that makes me feel less neurotic! I guess I can understand that they don’t want to put him under while his gut is bad, but surely if they get the pain meds right they can look at the teeth that were recently filed? They didn’t put him under for the file, he just chilled in a bunny burrito for it!
Think it’s going to be a long night on the sofa jumping every time he moves & panicking every time he doesn’t!
Thank you for the advice though, at least I know there isn’t anything else I can be doing right now, just hope he hangs on till the morning! 🙏
Yeah, I would just keep getting the food into him and keep up the tummy rubs.
I’m pretty amazed they wouldn’t use anesthesia for his teeth…. Was it a molar trim or just his front teeth?
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It’s his cheek teeth that they file. His jaw is misaligned & so the top tooth grows over the bottom one & eventually into his gum. It was this that caused the first infection/abscess.
He’s just had a drink of water by himself! That’s the first thing he’s voluntarily ingested in 36 hours! I nearly had heart failure watching him though. He couldn’t open his mouth wide enough to lap it up like he normally would, so he just put his whole face in the bowl & sucked it up. Sounded like he was choking at times! Now fingers crossed for poops!
I agree with a pain med route. I admittedly am suspect of grindings done without anesthesia…. though I understand the rationale behind it. If they are a practice that feels comfortable doing that, I wonder if they’d be open to just doing quick isoflurane mask, instead of the big shebang of anesthesia. My Wick’s first vet was more lenient with protocols due to resources so Wick would just get masked, then it’d be done in 15 minutes. Going to his current vet, not doing a full anesthesia protocol was out of the question for dental grindings.
All that being said, I feel like the likelihood of the vet accidentally burring some of the gum or cheek may be more likely with the rabbit not under anesthesia?
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I had the same thought as Wick, he might have struggled and they accidentally caused an injury in his mouth. If so I imagine they already know that and that might be why they’re refusing to check him out. Whether they know or not, their refusal to help him would be enough reason for me to find a new vet. It’s ridiculous that they won’t even try.
Wick & Hazel, thank you for confirming what we’re my suspicions. I was second guessing myself & thinking I was being unfair. Chatting with hubby today he was telling me what a big deal the vet made about how still Stew sat while she was doing the filing so I do suspect that’s the issue.
That said a different vet in the practise saw him today & spent an hour checking everything she could. She now wants him in under anaesthetic to do all his back molars (nothing was mentioned about that last week!), but that won’t be possible until he’s eating & pooping again.
He was given buprecare today as we asked for stronger pain relief, but that just seems to have knocked him senseless to the point where it sometimes looks like he’s lost the use of his back legs. We had another dose to give him an hour ago but we’ve held off, I’m massively concerned that an inability to walk won’t stimulate gut movement, so we’re just going to monitor his pain levels for now.
My poor, poor boy I’m devastated that doing what we thought was the right thing has led to all this suffering for him & I can’t do anything to fix it.
Off to Facebook stalk his old vet now as I haven’t managed to find her new practise any other way!
I thought they did his molars (cheek teeth) already? But yeah, all that sounds pretty off to me. Personally I wouldn’t go back to them.
I don’t like to bash veterinary practices (also it’s against our forum policies to make explicit, direct comments about it), but if you feel dental procedures will be the norm, I think it would be worth finding a practice that you can expect some more consistency and communication, especially if there are unique things about your rabbit, such as his jaw alignment, which someone more regularly sees each time you go. My Wick has an underbite and slightly crooked jaw (his bottom incisors go over his top, and they dont meet up, though not as extreme as it sounds like your rabbit’s misalignment is), and I would not feel comfortable having him seen by multiple vets to assess its progression over time.
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Well he got worse during the night, so we managed to get him in to a different vet first thing & they have said he’s got kidney failure & might not make it through today.
They’ve admitted him to their hospital to try & stabilise him before any next steps can be decided.
All we can do now is wait & hope. Thanks for all the replies, they have really helped.
Oh no, I’m so sorry 🙁
(((Vibes for Stew)))
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He didn’t make it 😭
We are just in shock right now.
I’m so sorry. 😥 You did everything you could to help him.
Binky free little bun.
I’m so so sorry 🙁
(((Binky free little Stew)))
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