Hammer skipped a meal!!!!

[BunnyLiz]

I was out late last night so maybe he is just mad at me, but considering this past week im going crazy.  It was a salad at 11pm, I got home at 3am, he ate a tiny amount of it before i came home.  I waved some in his face enough for him to eat three small torn pieces.  Got him a new salad and went to bed.  This morning (8am) he will not eat any of his salad, nor pellets.  But did munch a tiny bit of hay and took a treat.  His salad was romaine, green leaf, red leaf, dandiion and flat leaf parsley.  Any of those gasy or something?  My vet is open today, hopefully the exotic expert is in, they will still take me if he isnt but he knows about Rose.  So ill call as soon as they open and talk with him.  Gas meds? Good idea or bad?  Beka can I pretty please have your emergency vet info.  Its hit and miss here.  Its a few hours away but its all I have if its after hours. 

[jerseygirl]

I think gas med (smithecone) would be ok. They can’t overdose on it. I have seen ‘moody rabbit denies self food’ at my house before. It could still be grief but glad you plan to see vet if he hasn’t eaten for quite a while. Is he toileting?

Edit: Are you worried he has infection?  If so, not sure on the Smithecone – I would stll think it not harmful but that is just my opinion.

(((Hammer)))

[jerseygirl]

I just read your thread about the recent vet visit. How long ago did Hammer get a penicillin shot? I don’t know about side effects re this.. Can it cause appetite suppression?

[BunnyLiz]

He had the shot around 10am yesterday. He is still pooping some, but no pee yet. My rabbit vet is not in yet, but has a message to call me as soon as he gets in. Ill hold off on the smithecone for now, thank you Jersey! And ill ask about the shot cause a change in appetite, good thinking.

[Beka27]

The book I have says “inject only” and that it may lead to “decreased appetite”.

I wonder why he is giving penicillin and not Baytril or something else that can be given orally? I’m no vet expert obviously, but did he say why he’s giving penicillin (and why he gave it to Rose) and not something different?

[BunnyLiz]

Thank you! Maybe it is just the penicillin, but you would think that would have worn off by now. He was not the one to give Rose penicillin, same vet office but not their expert vet. Neither one said anything about why they chose it and not Baytril. But when a vet tech told me they were probably going to give penicillin, alarms went off in my head and I questioned it. He said they always send rabbits home with penicillin so it was absolutely safe. Later I remembered that penicillin was ok by injection, but deadly if given orally. The vet tech didnt even know that when I told him later lol.

[BunnyLiz]

Do you know if Baytril would be in a pharmacy? Or is it just an animal thing? Maybe I could get him to just call it in

Edit: nope i just looked it up, its for animals.  But many he could still call it in to a closer vet.

[LittlePuffyTail]

How is Hammer doing now?

[BunnyLiz]

No change but he did eat a sprig of mint on his own. He munched a little hay but no veggies. Turns out that his vet was not in today like I was told, and no other exotic vet is in. They were still suppose to call me but never did before they closed. So his vet is in tomorrow, ill have to call him them. Im really hoping its the penicillin doing this, thats easily fixed which just switching meds.

[KatnipCrzy]

Baytril is animal only- so it can only be purchased somewhere that sells meds for pet- a regular pharmacy would not have it.

I hope Hammer feels better soon- how stressful to not know if it is illness, grief or moodiness!  If only bunnies could talk.

If you can not reach anyone until tomorrow- it should be fine to give Simethicone.  It should have no affect on an injected antibiotic, and no ill affect is it is an infection as opposed to gas.  And his is still nibbling on some stuff, so he obviously can eat- and I think you mentioned that he is able to poo.

[BunnyLiz]

Well he stopped eating. No pellets, which he got at 3pm. No veggies since the sprig of mint. I wave it in his face and eventually he tears a piece off the leaf and spits it out. So I gave him Critical Care. Which he absolutely hated, and he is protesting the world right now. So ill keep that up every few hours if he doesnt start eating normally.

[jerseygirl]

(((((Hammer))))) Glad you have some criticare, that should help get his fluids up some. Also pedilyte (?) Is he still pooping? Is he moving about at all? How frustrating the vet’s office didn’t get back to you! Have you located an alternative vet? Liz, I really wish you weren’t going through this now – the timing is awful. You’re in my thoughts.

[BunnyLiz]

Yes thank goodness for bunny aid kits, i had some critical care in there. I had pedilyte too but I used that for Rose and its no good 48 hours after opening, Rose was a week ago. If I could Id go get some right now but I cant tonight, he will have some tomorrow. He is still pooping some, but not as much as id like, had a few tiny poos too. I just got off the phone with his vet, called a million times but he finally called back a few minutes ago. So he just told me to do what im already doing and wants to see him tomorrow if he still isnt eating. He was just in there yesterday, so I dont know what a vet visit will do. Ill still take him of course but he didnt find anything wrong in his check up. Maybe it will be x rays and blood work tomorrow, that will be expensive! My mom just got laid off her weekend job so we really cant afford this now. Dipping into college savings probably. Thats the least of my worries now though. No new vet yet, its to late to call around, plus its Sunday so no one will be open anyway. When I said something about it maybe being the penicillin decreasing his appetite he said it wasnt true. That thats all over the internet but a myth. Um… well okay then. When this is all done is be going elsewhere, but for now id like to stay where I am if he can get Hammer back on track, just because he knows Rose’s and his history and story.

[jerseygirl]

He should be getting liquid from the criti care – you can syringe just plain old water too. Sorry you have to wait! Hopefully he’ll turn around before you have to go to vet. Does his being close to Lucy help or hinder do you think? It might encourage some normalcy – even if he dicedies to snub her and wander of to graze as a show of ignoring her.

[BunnyLiz]

Well its early morning and still no eating and no more poops.  This is so scary.  Now im in the crying stage still over Rose and crying for Hammer, this is just too much!  How can I lose both in two weeks time?!  He is still coming out to play some, but lays on his shelf with RoseBun for over 90% of the day.  He is going to the vet today, but I dont know how or when or with who.  I cant take him now, I have to go to school, I have no choice.  After  school might be to late to get him in before they close.  And I dont want to wait till after school anyway.   Didnt eat hay, pellets or salad through the night. 

[Sarita]

Please keep us updated – a trip to the vet is definitely in order.

[Beka27]

What’s going on, Liz?

[bunnyluvr]

Any updates? I am assuming you are in school, please let us know how Hammer is doing when you get home.

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

Oh Liz How scary! {{Hammer}} Please keep us posted.

(Beka you read right, Penecillan cannot be given orally, but the injectable kind is fine. He may have done a culture sensitivity test and chosen Penecillan? Penecillan and Baytril are both antibiotics but Baytril is broad range and Penecillan I think is more specific so that may be why he chose Penecillan)

[Sarita]

Pen-g is fine but it can upset the stomach – this is why it is normally not given daily. Hopefully Hammer will be fine and perhaps you should see if the vet can prescribe something different for him. I don’t know why the vet would say that isn’t true – every rabbit is different too, I don’t see why that could not be true. I cannot see anywhere – did he do a culture or is this just a precaution? I’m not sure I would even do anything if he appeared okay as a precaution.

Anyway – any updates?

[BunnyLiz]

My mom toke off work to take him to the vet, she rather miss work then me missing school. He is on Reglan and Benebac now. He said Reglan was good for his appetite and gut. Ive heard of Benebac before, a probiotic. 30cc of Critical Care 3 times a day. He got 100cc of sub q fluids too, said he was not dehydrated but just in case, Id been pushing water. A few poos, a little pee so good signs. He ate a few pieces of willow but nothing else. He actually is very angry. Throwing everything he can and biting me whenever im in reach. He threw his pellet bowl into his salad bowl and then over turned the salad bowl lol. He is making it clear that he will not be eating if he doesnt want to.

Sarita- yes the penicillin was just a precaution, because we can only guess what Rose had and because she went so quickly.

[kralspace]

BunnyLiz, maybe Hammer will work up an appetite with all the destruction!

[Sarita]

Oh, poor Hammer! Reglan is a gut motility drug so hopefully this will help get his gut moving. Sub-q’s are also a good idea.

What about pain meds?

[Beka27]

Sarita: this was from Liz’s initial thread in Diet and Care:

He was sneezing and it really scared me, it may have been normal for a few sneezes but I noticed them because I was so paranoid.   But I talked to the vet about Rose and decided that we cant be certain of what sort of infection she had for sure, becuase he was not the one that examined her and she went so quickly.  So just in case (and because Im a worrier) Hammer is on an injection of penicillin, .5 cc every other day to get rid of any trace of anything Rose may have passed to him.

 

So it seems as if there was no culture done. 

I really hope he starts to eat soon.  I wonder how much of this is actually grief related.  Are you no longer giving the penicillin then?

[BunnyLiz]

I was actually hoping he would! Lol I keep picking things up and keeping order in the pen because I know it bugs him and he will have to fix it. I figure if he moves around it will be good for his gut and possibly make him hungry.

[Sarita]

Oh yes, moving around is good for the gut – my vet encourages rabbits in stasis to move around as well.

[BunnyLiz]

Nope no more penicillin. He said that the penicillin should not have affected him like this, but that its really weird that both Rose and Hammer didnt do well after it. Rose may not have had any negative reaction to it, but makes you think

[Sarita]

I imagine some rabbits are just more sensitive to a particular medication. Many rabbits use pen-g just fine and it’s been used for years successfully on rabbits – obviously not with all rabbits as with Rose and Hammer.

[BunnyLiz]

Yes im thinking it could all be the penicillin, may or may not be but all the same they will not have it again. I wonder if I can have that but in there records, to give something else other then penicillin.

[Sarita]

I think that would be a good idea to have them note that he had a bad reaction to the pen-g.

[BunnyLiz]

Is flavored pedilyte ok? instead of plain, like maybe grape. Because the plain is really nasty lol.

[Sarita]

I think it would be fine.

[jerseygirl]

Well, bet you’d rather see rabbitude then inactivity! Sending continued healing vibes.
(((Hammer))) (((Liz)))

[BunnyLiz]

No improvement. He is getting really mad too, absolutely hates me after Critical Care. I shoved a piece of parsley in his mouth, if you do stem first, he will eat it. If you let go of the parley he will drop it, but if i hold it there he eats the whole thing. Good idea or bad idea?

[Sarita]

Make him eat the whole thing. Is he still taking the reglan?

I’m sure all this does make him mad but it still has to be done.

How long has it been since he’s eaten – since last Friday?

[BunnyLiz]

Just since saturday morning. Not counting the few veggies ive been able to force. Yes he is still on the reglan, and the benebac. And pedilyte and critical care. Do you think I should be tracking down another vet now? I dont know whats left to do but maybe he is missing something.

[Sarita]

I found this vet on the Indiana House Rabbit Society are they close to you?

Dr. Stanley Hastings
Dr. Bette Vecchione
Dr. Tony Shumann
Erlanger Veterinary Hospital
3414 Dixie Highway
Erlanger, KY 41018
(859) 727-2046
http://www.erlangervethospital.com

Unless of course that is your vet.

[BunnyLiz]

lol yes those are the ones i just looked up. They are pretty close. Im lining up a ride then calling.

[BunnyLiz]

But under the services tab on the site, it was what they offer for exotics. Im not real sure what they do, because ive seen vets that only do check ups but cant treat.

[BunnyLiz]

He was an appointment there at 3:50 tomorrow. They seem very on top of things, i have to print and fill out this forms, bring all his vet history stuff and everything he is currently taking. They didnt have anything open today, or tomorrow but fit me in anyway because they didnt think i should be waiting.

[Sarita]

Oh good – hopefully you will be happy with them. Please keep us updated.

[BunnyLiz]

He is eating a willow basket! I threw some veggies in it but he just ate around them. Doing a little dance at the fact that he is eating some willow though : )

[Beka27]

That’s great he is nibbling something! Keep us posted!

[jerseygirl]

Update? (((Hammer)))

[Beka27]

Oh yeah, it’s been over 24 hours! Update, pretty please, Liz?!

[jerseygirl]

…..well, I’m going with the “no news is good news” theory. Hammer be okay!!!

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

{{Hammer}}
Glad your trying a different vet, the other vet sounded OK but another opinion is always good too! Keep us posted! {{Hammer}}

(One thing I’ve found is they will eat applesauce off a dish-mixed with critical care-rather then having to stress them out and force feed. Applesauce or apple baby food. Just a tablespoon or so. I’ve done this at the shelter too so it’s worked for three bunnies so far! You can make it fairly dense-the apple sauce is tempting enough that he may eat it just off a plate for you!)

[Deleted User]

I agree with K&K.  My furries (buns & guinea pigs) always eat the critical care better if you mix it with something else.  For my piggies they will eat it if I put it on lettuce, but since Hammer isn’t eating his veggies then I would mix it with whatever he will eat.  If this works for you it makes giving him the critical care less traumatic for both of you.

I hope the new vet was able to give you more insight and that Hammer is doing better.  Sending you happy healing vibes.

[BunnyLiz]

Sorry it toke me so long to update!  His vet appointment was canceled yesterday, due to car issues and seemed to be going a bit better.  Tuesday night he ate some cilantro without forcing him.  I just had to hold it in front of his face and he ate it willingly.  So I wasnt worried about getting him to the vet, figured the meds were finally kicking in.  But it was a one time thing and went back to not eating.  So he had another appointment today and I just got back.  The vet did a thorough exam, toke him back and checked his teeth, temperature and all.  He decided that he was probably sore from having his teeth filed on Saturday at his old vet.  I didnt know it, but when my mom toke him back there on Monday, they filed his teeth AGAIN.  So twice in 3 days.  The new vet says that they should be put under to have that done (?) and brought out all his tools to explain to me what they do.  He had maybe 8 different tools for filing, they use sort of like a drill to more shave instead of grind.  He said the the tool my old vet used is harmful, can leave sores on his tounge, gums and cheeks, and even catch and pull a tooth out of place.  That tool was old and they use up to date equipment now, which is very very expensive, so maybe thats why my old vet used that one old tool.  So he thinks he is just in pain from that.  He gave him Metacam.  So now he is on Metacam, Reglan, Benebac.  And 28cc of Critical Care 4 times a day.  Can Reglan be given with painkillers?  He knew what he was already taking and said continue it along with the Metacam.  But my mom thinks she read that Reglan and painkillers dont mix.  Anybody know?

Thanks guys ill try mixing the CC with something yummy.  Feeding times are not fun!  He actually broke skin a few times yesterday instaed of just little nips.  Hopefully he will just eat it on his own. 

[KatnipCrzy]

You could mix the Critical Care with some unsweetened applesauce (no sugar added) or baby food (veggies/flavors that are on the “rabbit safe fruits/veggies list”.

[jerseygirl]

Oh Geez! Poor Hammer! No wonder he’d been to miserable. Good thing you have metacam now. Hope he improves now.

[Beka27]

Why did they trim his teeth at the vet? I didn’t even realize he has teeth problems. Did you post that previously and I missed it?

[BunnyLiz]

Lol nope he just filed them because he could I guess. Its a regular thing for that vet, when they get check ups he does it. He said it was ‘preventative’. I should have actually thought about that, he is only 10 months old so there should be no need for any tooth files or trims yet. Duh. But hopefully thats it and its not medical. If he isnt better in a few days he wants bloodwork, but he wanted to see if this worked because he thinks its likely this issue causing all of these things. No luck in getting him to eat the CC on his own, he wanted to eat the applesauce on his own though lol. So he got half a spoon of plain applesauce because he is spoiled. He is currently munching on hay, the Metacam was about 3 hours ago so maybe its kicking in. Its wierd that this is tooth soreness though, since he will munch on willow and occasionally hay but no pellets or veggies. I would think salad would be soft and not hurt, while willow would cause pain.

[Beka27]

I’m not comfortable with teeth being filed without it being medically necessary. I find that really strange. A healthy rabbit should be able to wear his teeth down thru normal chewing/eating. It’s only if there is a problem that the vets will go in and take care of this for them.

So who filed the teeth? Was this the old vet (Rose’s vet?) or the new vet you went to see recently?

[Sarita]

I’ve never heard of this as a preventative. I can tell you when I have Pepe’s teeth filed though it takes a full week for him to get back to eating again.

[Sarita]

I do have to say that I don’t think your old vet is the right vet – the new vet sounds much more competent.

[Beka27]

^^^Okay, so this was the OLD vet who did the teeth trims? (I’m getting confused with the timeline and who you saw when.)

I hate to suggest it, but is it possible they trimmed Rose’s teeth and that was part of her adverse reaction?

[BunnyLiz]

Beka- yes that was the old vet that filed their teeth.  I cant remember 100% but I dont think that they filed Rose’s teeth before she passed. 

The old vet used what the new vet called a float, used for horses sometimes.  Ill try to attach a picture that looks similar.  Is that what your vets use?  The new vet had 8-10 different tools he uses to protect the tounge, gums and cheeks.  Hold the mouth open ect.  The new vet uses this drill type thing. He said he puts them uder to do it too.  Filing and clipping both.  Maybe im confused, is filing and clipping just the same thing and people use both words and interchange them? 

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[Kokaneeandkahlua]

I’m so not up on teeth fliing trimming because I’ve never had to have it done. Honestly if mine were to have problem teeth, I might have them extracted as I’ve heard they do very well like that but I’m not sure.

I think it’s a bit bizarre they would use the same tools as a horse. They have a LOT in common but still….

Anyways keep us posted, and I’m sure some others have more help for you on tooth stuff

[Sarita]

Well you wouldn’t want to have the molars extracted – I think that is mainly for incisors. You certainly could have the molars extracted but that would only be because you have exhausted all other options…not really sure though what teeth that other vet was filing – molars or incisors – in any event it’s pretty odd to do this unless it’s needed.

[Sarita]

Is that what the old vet used that you have a picture of? When I think of teeth – I think of filing for the back teeth (molars) and trimming for the incisors (front teeth) but that’s just me.

[BunnyLiz]

Yep that picture is similar to what the old vet used. He filed the molars with that thing

[KatnipCrzy]

Trimming the front teeth can be done without sedation or anesthesia- and it takes less than a minute to clip them.

But filing the back teeth- I have never seen that done- but that is something completely different.  I can see why you could work on a horse easier as they are big- there mouth and teeth are big.  But a bunnies mouth is so little and I can not see them being cooperative at all- you can’t tell them to hold their tongue out of the way.  Poor Hammer…what a brave boy!

[Deleted User]

Bunny had to have her molars filed down recently on one side.  Our vet took pics (I can upload later if anyone wants to see) with an endoscope to show us what the molars had looked like.  They had some crazy sharp points on them.  Anyway, our vet puts buns under when she does it because she said trimming molars can be very traumatic for buns and she never likes to stress them out.  Not sure about the tools she used, but I do know they have the most up to date equipment in there. 

Anyway I guess my point is I believe putting them under to do invasive trimming (molars etc.) is a good thing for the buns because it doesn’t stress them out.  Poor Hammer.  *hugs*

[Beka27]

Soliel, I know I’d be interested in seeing those photos, not sure if anyone else would tho. I’ve never dealt with a bun with tooth problems (knock on wood) so I don’t know exactly what that might look like.

[BunnyMuffin]

Yeah, I’d like to see pictures too!  I’ve always wondered what all this tooth filing/trimming business is all about.

And poor Hammer being unnecessarily proded.    I hope he starts to feel better soon!

[Deleted User]

Ok guys, here are the endoscopy pics of Bunny’s teeth.  The first pic is of her sharp molars that had to be filed, the second pic is of her other molars, they were fine and didn’t have to be done.  The third pic I just made a close up of the sharp points on her teeth.  Now you can all see what it looks like when your bun needs to have their molars trimmed/filed down.

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[BunnyMuffin]

Oh weird!  That’s so cool!  I can see how those sharp daggers would cause some troubles though.  Thanks for sharing those!

[Deleted User]

No problem Hope it helps ease peoples confusion about their buns teeth a bit

[KatnipCrzy]

Awesome- thanks for posting such great pics!

Julie

[BinkyBunny]

Soliel – thanks for sharing those photos! That’s what Rucy would get – those sharp points are called “spurs”. And there is no way my vet would file them down without sedating her and she always made sure to send her home with pain meds. Even with pain meds, it can take a few days for a bunny to eat normally and so my vet also recommends to have critical care on hand. I am so surprised at your old vets practices.

It’s good though that your new vet knows better and offered advice and care about the old vet’s techniques.

[Beka27]

OH OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those look like they absolutely would hurt! I wouldn’t eat a thing either!

Thanks so much for sharing those!

And continued good health vibes to your bunny Soliel! That does not look like a fun thing to deal with.

[BunnyLiz]

O wow cool pictures!! Thanks!
Hammer ate his salad sometime last night!!! It was gone this morning. So Im skipping CC now and just giving him a fresh salad. If he doesnt eat it in a few hours ill go for CC but I want to give him the chance to eat on his own first. Saw him snack on a few pellets too. He isnt attacking the salad like he would normally but he did eat 2-3 pieces. He just got his Reglan so maybe that will make him hungry soon. *fingers crossed*

[BunnyLiz]

He didnt eat enough to make me happy so he is back on CC. And getting more and more aggressive! He ‘bit’ my mom, she said it really hurt but I think she was just so scared that she thought it really hurt lol. He just bit her because she toke a piece of paper from him, chomp lol. He growled and lunged at me for reaching for his RoseBun today, Yicks Hammer Im sorry!! I was just going to put it back on his shelf but he obviously thought it was better on the floor today. He is very moody, territorial and aggressive. Maybe this is more grief related then I was thinking. Possibly a teeth and grief combo.

[Beka27]

Is the new bunny still in the room? Is he showing aggression towards her area, do you think that might be a small part of his weird behavior lately?

[BunnyLiz]

Yep Lucy is in Rose’s old pen right next to Hammer. But he doesnt seem to mind having her there. He doesnt have any territorial poops or growling at her. They seem to ignore each other more then anything else. They will lounge some what side by side, but doesnt really look like they notice the other is there. Lucy is a bit pushy, she is already territorial with me, honking lunging. She’s something alright!! Annoying is what she is lol. But even Lucy doesnt seem to pay any attention to Hammer now.

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

WOW Thanks for those pictures!! Now I know what they are looking for when the vet pokes back there with that tool!!

[BunnyLiz]

He is back to salad and pellets with no CC. Still continuing the meds though. He attacked my hand today, scared me to death!!! I was just tidying his pen and he started growling. I tried to sooth him but it didnt work and he charged and attacked my hand. Of course I screamed and then Hammer was mad at my impulse reaction and thumped for a few minutes. What happened to my baby hammie!?!

[MimzMum]

I wonder if he’s still reacting to Rose being gone. He may be ignoring the other bunny simply because he doesn’t understand where Rose is and since you are the only one who is making physical contact with him at present, he may just be taking some frustration out on you.

Mimzy is my whole world (not that I don’t adore Pip & Fiver, I do) and I fawn over him to excess…but to this day, when I ‘invade his space’ (cleaning, pulling him out of his pen for exercise, whatever) I will get growled and lunged at, sometimes even nipped or bitten. I don’t understand it, especially with all the snuggling we had to do during the weeks that I was dosing him with Baytril for his nasal infection.

Perhaps Hammer will turn another corner in the future. He may just need time. Plus the stress of other medical procedures (you did say he had his teeth filed, yes?) may still have him a little upset. Routine is key. Same waking/playing/feeding/socialization/resting…all have to be kept as rigid as possible for bunny to feel there is nothing to threaten him.

He may be scared that since Rose ‘went away’ and ‘someone new’ is there, perhaps he fears he will also have to ‘go away’ and he’s trying to prevent that?
You both have my heartfelt prayers that this is resolved soon! ((((((Liz & Hammer)))))))))

[BunnyLiz]

Aw I never thought about that Mimz!! Maybe he is scared he is the next to disappear and is being mean because he thinks ill be the one to take him away and is scared. Poor baby Hammie!!

[BunnyLiz]

Okay so update! He is going okay I guess, eating most of his food, just not with any happy emotion you would expect. And not regularly either. He doesnt eat when you give it to him like he used too, and not all at the same time like he used to. Because of this I have not kept his routine feeding times. He basically gets what he will eat for me. For example he will eat parsley and cilantro better then leafy things, so he gets both but more stem things then usual. And instead of a salad in the morning and night, he gets morning salads afternoon salads and night salads. Because he needs to eat more then he is and its gets all yucky so I keep replacing them, soo its kind of unlimited salad all day.  Though I end up throwing lots of the salad away.  He used to get 1/4 cup pellets in the afternoon, now he gets a bit in the morning, most in the afternoon and a bit at night. So all of this means he is eating all that he normally did, but its not normal. He is still eating hay, however is not usually interested. Seems he usually prefers pellets and enjoys them the most, still lokks bored with them just not as much as other things. He will not come out and play either. I bring him out for cuddles sometimes but I usually just end up with a new band aid lol. Poor thing, I wish I knew how to help him.

[Sarita]

It’s so frustrating when they cannot tell you why they hurt. Hopefully he will slowly but surely return to his normal self.

[MooBunnay]

I’m sorry to hear he hasn’t gotten back to his normal self – maybe he just needs a few days to come around. Try to keep as observant as possible to notice if there is any thing little that he does different that might give any clue to what is wrong.

[(dig)x(me)x(now)]

Suck. He’s probably still recovering about Rose… maybe still a bit depressed. I would try to spend as much time as possible with him and just keep an eye. Sounds like you’ve really been doing a great job keeping him well through all of this!

[BinkyBunny]

Though there may be something physical that you should keep a close eye on, rabbits can go through a sort of depression with loss. I know that with the loss of Rucy, Jack would not eat much unless we were there with him petting him. We would pet him for a while and then he would get up and eat. I have spent so much more time with him to help him get out of his funk. I also was reading all about how to help Jack deal with the loss and many articles stated that rabbits will display loss in many ways that may seem like aggression – They can become more destructive and the lunging etc, may be due to feelings of being less secure. Jack is a bunny who relied on Rucy’s confidence and now he is learning to be brave on his own, and so he can “warn” more with lunging when he is unsure, but we are now on day 10 since Rucy passed, and he is just now beginning to stop that behavior.

So IF this is also is GRIEF with your bunny, then just try and spend as much time with him as you can.

Tellington-touch is also a great method of touch that is supposed to promote good health physically and emotionally. Here is a video of one of the very basic touch methods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkb_K0xvmZI

This is a video of the founder working on a horse. With a rabbit, you want to do it much lighter, but you are still using a massaging motion, not a petting motion – difference being that the petting motion would just be circling over the fur where the massage moves the skin. Hope that makes sense.

[BunnyLiz]

Thanks BB ill give that a try. He seems to be doing a little better today. Only one bite today, with almost no lunging or growling all day.

[BunnyLiz]

I declare Hammer all better today!! Yay for Hammer! And yay for to me for not losing my mind haha. He seems very normal, eating good, nothing aggressive and into everything today like usual. Weird how Im excited that he is a trouble maker again lol

[Beka27]

Oh thank goodness!

[MimzMum]

That’s excellent news, Liz! ^_^ *applauds*

[BunnyLiz]

Yes I threw him a little party today lol. I danced around while he chased me, found a station on the radio he seemed to like, lots of herbs were given out. He got to go on a little hop around the rest of the house too. He got a lengthy grooming/petting session today. Im pretty relieved : )

[BinkyBunny]

WHEW!! Yahoooooo!!

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