EMERGENCY BROKE LEG

[bunnytowne]

it is late here and I just discovered Loopy can’t put any weight on his front leg. I have tramadol and aspirin and tylenol are any of these ok for a rabbit til I can get him to the vet tomorrow. Poor guy no wonder he didn’t come to the door of his cage all day. I have cold pack on it now. His face he looks worried too. Poor bun. I think he caught his leg in the door of the cage. He is like a kid with ADHD so he may have done this by bouncing around in his cage.

[bunnytowne]

awe he is grinding his teeth.

[bunnytowne]

ON Medirabbit website said aspirin  he gobbled it down with the pear in it. Well tomorrow we will know his diagnosis. I jsut dont’ want him in pain til then.

[MarkBun]

There isn’t much else you can do until you get to a vet. If there is no 24/7 vet available to get him to or to try and get some pain relief meds from them, you’ll have to just try and keep him as comfortable as possible until the morning.  It is very important though that you don’t overmedicate with home remedies and asprin because of sympathy. 

[Deleted User]

Oh poor bunny and you 2 .. hope you managed to get him to a vet.

Fill us in later when you can.

[Beka27]

oh no! do you know how this happened? poor guy! keep us posted BT.

[Binkles]

Ah-

…a-all I can say is…hold him. Hold him. Hold him. Hold him. Keep the weight off of that leg. And comfort him..

If…if you can…don’t put him back in his cage tonight…at all..

Hold him..

Comfort him..

Sing to him..

…

..because as a natural defense, bunnies will go into shock if they have too much or too prolonged pain..

..and die.

[RabbitPam]

Just saw this and it’s morning now. Hope he got through the night OK. Was going to suggest wrapping him loosely in a soft towel or blanket just to keep him calm and off it as you move him. Please go to any vet right away rather than wait for an appointment. Of course, get to the rabbit vet first if you can. (Maybe even call ahead to say you are on your way with an emergency and just be there when they open. Most vets will delay their first appt. of the day to see to an emergency.) Let us know what happens.

[MooBunnay]

I hope that you were able to get to the vet today! How did the little guy do through the night? Keep us updated!

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

Just saw this-how is he??

[bunnytowne]

Poor Loopy. We took him to humane society where we got him.The vet there said it will take a long time to heal. The lady that was going to get him. Well. I guess that is off now. She and her son don’t want to deal with him like that. I understand. Probably for the best since her son is only 11. So the vet said she could take him to her home and try to get him to heal. She would treat him. IN this case a pin would be needed. So I signed him over so he could get the best care. A surgery with a pin in it is veeery expensive. So I did the best I could and signed him over to the vet. I didn’t want to keep him suffering and not have his surgery. So I did what I thought was best for him.

He is a real gentle fellow. Very Hyper a bun with ADHD. HE runs n run and plays. I can hold him like a baby too. HE is sooo sweet. I think he ran in his cage and caught his leg on something. Hubby said he was fine when he last played with him the nite b4 I discoverd his dilema.

I was glad he wasn’t in shock I held him put cold pack on his leg. HE looked so depressed when I went to feed him I wondered what was off with him. Normally he is all over the door of the cage. HE was only lying in his litterbox. Not like him. Then that nite I couldn’t understand what was wrong so  I took him out and he couldn’t even put any weight on that leg. Oh I feel terrible. He really perked up after we held him and talked to him put the cold pack around  his leg. . Fortunately we had an aspirin for him.

After I put him back in cage he looked his normal self again. Just can’ put weight on that leg. His face didn’t have that worried look to it anymore. That aspirin and showing him someone cares must have helped him.  Poor Loopy.

I wonder if I should have splinted him and kept him and healed him. Probably not the pain must be horrible. 

Soo thats what happened. 

[minnieservis]

I’m sorry you didn’t get to keep your bunny. But at least he’s where he should be right now. It’s for the best

[MimzMum]

No bunnytowne, you did right. I am glad the vet will take him on and heal him. You did the right thing, please don’t second guess yourself.

Poor little bun. They are SO fragile aren’t they? I have nightmares that I’m going to screw up and hurt one of mine by lifting or holding them. If I didn’t love them so much, it would be very difficult to deal with this particular facet of bun care.

I was wondering how they were going to treat that. I can’t imagine a bun would put up with a little cast and a pair of tiny crutches. ^_^

[BinkyBunny]

Oh, wow, what a stressful time and how heartbreaking.

I know that must have been terribly hard. I think that making sure he had the best care possible even if that meant signing him over to the vet who obviously has a big heart and was willing to take him home, was a very loving choice. You did what you knew was best for him, even if that meant him being with someone else. That is a very selfless love. (HUGS)

When you get a chance, I also think it would be good to ask the vet for an emergency vet recommendation for your own future reference.

Because even though Loopy survived the pain and did not go into shock,(no doubt your care and love helped him) it also could have gone the other way quickly and you should have an emergency vet that you can get your bunnies to just in case. When a bunny is grinding his/her teeth, it can get very serious quickly.

So I know you are sad. And I am sorry for what you and loopy have gone through. Just know you really did do the right thing, and his life will be better for it. You gave him that gift.

[Beka27]

(((hugs!)))

you did the right thing BT!

[osprey]

They really do put a cast on them to let the bone heal.  Here is a picture of Dixie, who had a broken leg when we took her in.

 

[Binkles]

Oi…I didn’t know about the asprin….you can really give asprin to bunnies to help them with pain…?

D:

[bunnytowne]

thanks everyone. I am going to call the place next week and see how he is doing. Yes an emergency vet I should get a # for one. Real quick. Loopy’s emergency was so unexpected. Poor thing. I am thiking he sat in his cage a long time like that b4 I even noticed. Well we had to go somewhere that morning and I just threw in some hay for all the buns and didn’t really check him out. Even tho he was laying in his litterbox with a wrinkled up face. HE had that expression that something isnt’ right.  Well he is a tough bun. He stayed like that a few hours that day. I wonder if it happened in the nite. I will never know and am happy he is getting the care he needs. It would have been a lot for us with 4 buns 1 sick.

[RabbitPam]

That’s so great of the vet to take him and give him the treatment he needs. It must be hard for a vet that compassionate not to bring them all home.
You got Loopy the care he needed in time and that’s what counts.

[TARM]

I mean no disrespect with this comment but I feel like I have to throw in my $.02.

When we make animals a part of our family it is up to us to make sure we have the means to take care of them, even if there’s an expensive emergency. I have 11 animals that count on me to care for them and I have a care credit account. It’s only got a $2000 limit, which wasn’t enough when my dog tore both of her ACLs and needed a bilateral TPLO. That was $5000 and I did what I had to so she could have her surgery. I have also paid thousands of dollars to save a ferret, who didn’t make it, and I had to do without a lot of things to make that happen.

There will not always be a vet willing to take an injured animal and care for it at their expense. Rescues and most shelters require you to return an animal to them if you can’t keep them for any reason, but most can’t afford to take on medical bills that we decide not to take responsibility for…for whatever reason.

I took in Thumper (the Petco box bunny) knowing I have a limited amount of emergency money. Luckily she seems to be OK with her leg broken and I will take her to the vet soon, I’m taking all three of mine at the same time. I was also prepared to put her to sleep if she was suffering. Since she zooms around and eats like she doesn’t know if she’ll see her next meal I’m confident she’ll be OK without immediate treatment.

I’m glad the rabbit will get the care he needs and I’m glad someone was willing to take care of your burden, but I disagree that it was good of you to dump your problem on someone else. Most rescues will ask you what your plans are to deal with an expensive emergency. Maybe the place you got Loopy from didn’t but don’t be suprised if the next time you decide to take in a rabbit they deny your application because of this.

[MimzMum]

Just a quick aside to Binkles….

Yes, a few animals can tolerate MINIMAL amounts of aspirin for pain, but I have an old husky who is at his limit from taking aspirin once a day. It tends to rip up the stomach and liver, and that would certainly NOT be good for a bun, unless you have the vet’s say so that it should be done, don’t give aspirin, IMO.

So I think I know where you’re going with this in your head. Don’t do that to yourself. It won’t help. Please.

[BinkyBunny]

Darn it, I forgot to ask my vet about the aspirin thing when I talked to her today. I had a million other questions. From what I’ve read aspirin is okay, but it should be given with a vets advice only because if there is internal bleeding it can cause a problem because it thins out the blood. I will need to double check on that.

TankandRangersMom – Boy, do I hear you. I totally understand where you are coming from. I can’t encourage people enough to be financially prepared. It is monumentally frustrating. We are prepared and our own vet bills can make things thin, so I can’t imagine what in the world people are thinking when they have no money and bring in animal companions. I think they don’t think that far ahead…and they absolutely should. I know we have spent thousands and thousands on our bunnies,and I’d do it over and over again as well because they are my family.

But if it comes down to it, and unfortunately, the financial preparation was not in place in this case, and in an emergency situation where a decision has to be made for the life a bunny, I would rather the person choose to save the life of the bunny, even if that means turning them over.

If they failed to have the financial foresight, (and some people don’t even have enough to sell to raise enough $$ a vet bill that will be over $1000), then what option is there? The rabbit is already in their care, can’t be undone. When it is in emergency situation, and there just is no $$, f then you have to deal with what is, no foresight, no hindsight matters…just the present matters – at that moment to save the bunny’s life, and future quality of life. IHO.

So, of course, I would rather people know what they heck they are financially getting themselves into, and start saving for times like these. I always say put money aside, get pet insurance, and a credit card just for pet emergencies, because you pay for the vet, not the pet. It’s expensive!

Ideally – it would be great if they weren’t struggling so much financially in the first place, and had not taken on the responsibility. I don’t think anyone is commending them for that. It’s more about the choice that she made, under the circumstances. I think Loopy is better off now, and I know that was not an easy choice for her to make. Does that mean I think it’s okay for people to take on animals that they can’t pay for? No. But I do feel that IF that situation happens, the responsible choice is to save the rabbits life and quality of life, and make sure they get the best care, and if best life possible can’t be with you, then making sure he gets it somewhere is better.

I do commend for that. People can learn and change from these experiences, and then help themselves and others prepare better.

I also know too many situations too where people are selfish and would rather keep their animals even though it’s not the best place for them and they can’t financially care for them properly.

So I think we, of course, educate to create the best situation possible, and deal with the “best choice” of the less than ideal situation, and hopefully then learn from it.  

[Moonlight_Wolf]

Oh! So sad bunnytowne…..  I hope nothing like that ever happens to my bunny, I would die!

Tankandrangersmom, wowee that is a lot of mony on meds alone. I would do that as well (If I had enough money, right now I am still bankrupt from spending money on Fern. When I grow up I hope to be a vet so that I can treat my own animals! Also the fact that I love animals helps my desire to be a vet. Did you know I have wanted to be a vet ever since I was in first grade. I wanted to be a vet even before I knew the word vet was short for vetrinarian. Sorry, I am kind of going off topic but…

Will you get your bunny back after a while Bunnytowne? I hope that time comes soon… you should ask the vet if you can visit your bunny  once and a while (every hour.. of every day).

[BinkyBunny]

No moonlight – she won’t get her bunny back. She had to give her up.

[Moonlight_Wolf]

WHAT! If that happened to me I would die a thousand times over!

Now I am really sad. I feel I am really going to cry… even though it did not happen to me.

Now I am going to be paranoid about Fern hurting herself…

Do you always have to give them up if they break a leg? Or was this a especially bad break?

I am not going to say any more to display my sorrow….

[BinkyBunny]

Oh NO, you don’t have to give up your bunny up if your bunny breaks a leg! It was a break where a pin would have to be put in, not sure what they estimated the cost at but with with xrays, surgery, and recovery, Bunnytowne did not have the money to pay for it and so the vet offered to care for her at no expense, but in order for that to happen, Bunnytowne had to GIVE Loopy to the vet permanently.

Not many vets do this.  This was an unusual circumstance.

It is very sad.

[Moonlight_Wolf]

Oh ok, that makes me feel better. I was starting to hypervenalate there.
But still poor old bunnytowne. I hope Fern never does break a leg though.

[Binkles]

An aside with Mimz -just so you know, I know I didn’t know. (o.O Wow, how much sense does THAT make?) I tend not to be the kind of person who beats myself up for things I hadn’t knowledge of. Now, there are a LOT of ‘Wish-I-Knew’ s, but I didn’t know, and that’s all there is to it. Now I do.

So yes, Aspirin is officially going into my bunny emergency kit as a last-ditch resort. ONLY a last-ditch resort. And…unfortunately, I know at what point resort becomes ‘last-ditch’. =/

I’ll be checking back up on this thread to see what BB’s vet has to say about Aspirin. BB -do you think you could also verify the dosages? On the dosage calculator with your vet? (http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/morfz/rx/drugcalc.html) It seems like the dose for a 3lb bunny is rather high -almost rivaling what us humans would take. =S

…

..I once read that while it is a very heartbreaking thing to lose a bunny, the knowlege you gained from that generation goes on to make the life of next generation better -and so on and so forth.

That kept in mind, assuming that each of us ALWAYS has at least one bun in our care for the rest of our lives, maybe when we’re all eighty, our bunnies will be able to live forever! xD

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

Bunnytowne-You did the right thing in your circumstances and Loopy will be well cared for.

On the money/vet issue: It’s hard because it’s entirely head busting frustrating that people take on pets that they can’t afford; Here there are alot of farmers who have ten dogs and cats, none spayed or neutered-none ever seeing the inside of a vets office because they think it’s not worth the money-we call it the ‘farmer mentality’ (not that all farmers are like that thoug!)

On the other hand situations can come up that are incredibly expensive. My parents dog, for instance, was diagnosed with a brain tumout-she’s now the twenty thousand dollar dog and counting: from radiation and other complications. They had the money for that. Not everyone does.

There was a guy at my last job, his dog was hit by a car. Luckily he doesn’t have kids or he wouldn’t have been able to afford the care he coughed up for-driving to bone specialists in Calgary -three hours away, his dog is now at twelve thousand dollars and counting, as she’s going to need some more adjustments.

Of course most of us would spend a million if it meant saving a pet. Not all of us have that kind of money.

Emergency situations where thousands of dollars are involved and someone can’t afford it are a whole different ball game from someone who can’t afford an exam and a prescription for their sick pet. I think that’s where we can all bang our heads on the desk saying-why??

[MimzMum]

My father used to say, “If you don’t have your health, you’ve got nothing.” Ergo we never counted medical expense of any kind as a loss. It was investing in our future.
And I stretched that to my pets. I once spent over a thousand dollars trying to save a good cat from FIP. It came entirely from my savings, none from my family. My dad couldn’t understand it. The cat died anyway.
So when I take my bunnies to the vet, I don’t even think about how much it’s going to cost, unless the cost is not going to prolong the quality of life. Then we go for humane euthanasia.
Now we don’t have to do that with humans of course, but I can remember thinking (before I ever got cancer), that if I was going to get it, I’d rather take the money and take the whole family on a trip around the world for whatever time I had left. Weird, huh?
Needless to say, I’m still paying bills from my oncologist. I have no medical insurance and now I can’t get it. But it’s been worth the cost…at least according to my family…. Well they may have their moments of wonder…lolz. ^_^
Medical is just one of those things you have to toss everything else out for, short of food and shelter. That being said, we know our limits that still exist in this case. We’ve got the two dogs (elderly), the two cats-three if you count the feral one, and the two bunnies. The goldfish doesn’t require too much for his care, so I don’t count him.
But they are all family members, and deserve the same treatment and consideration that the human family does. I will do without something else to make sure they are cared for as long as there is an able bone in my body. And I set aside those funds to be sure of that. If my dad hadn’t taught me how to do that, I’d be sunk!

[Binkles]

I totally agree, Mimz. Price isn’t an issue. Even though I’m a poor college student, lol. I’d hapilly dive into credit card debt or do a car title loan or something if it meant the well-being of one of my pets. Money is an expendable thing -life, health, and above all happiness are not.

D= Mimz! I didn’t know you had cancer…do you feel comfortable talking about it here? Or do you have another thread about it somewhere/ would you feel comfortable PMing me about it? I really hate cancer..

[RabbitPam]

MM,
Just an aside: At my P/T job where I don’t get benefits, I had to sit in on a staff meeting where reps from Aflac were presenting their shpiel. It was in addition to the benefits plan, not instead of. Anyway, they have a plan specifically for cancer treatments, and I’m not sure but it may be worth a phone call to ask if that plan, or others, are available to someone with a previous condition. It may be worth a call to find someone that can cover you for something at least.

On the subject of insurance, I would love to know the ballpark cost of pet insurance monthly payments and premiums. Since I will never be able to spare thousands at a time, I have been considering adding it to my budget when the time comes for a new little bun.

(And Moon light wolf, I get the feeling you think that Loopy is Bunnytowne’s only bunny. She does have some very sweet, and healthy, other buns so she was not giving up her only pet. It doesn’t make it any less hard for her, but it did not leave her home empty of all furbabies, which you may have been thinking.)

[bunnytowne]

I have taken buns to the vet for treatment and neuter eye infections bladder sludge. And spent 800 on a cat 600 on a dog IN the end the cat had to be put down. That felt terrible.

INsurance yes if I ever lose my ins. I won’t be able to get any at all. Had a friend who owns and insurance company and told me no one will take me. I am high risk 2 back surgeries.

I understand about your problems with insurance. It is rough. This is to the person who can’t get any I understand how that is.

I wonder if I should have just taken Loopy to the vet down the street and splinted his leg. But the other place told me he needed pins.  I could have put him down. But I see he has will to live and is a good pet too. So in that case I did the best I could. It would also take a long time for him to heal.  I miss him jumping all over his door for us to go let him out and to play with him. He was so gentle. I loved his facial expressions. His big long ears sticking up. HE had red pupils and blue irisis. He was all white. Long front legs. HE would run circles all over the place and bite hubby on his toe. That was hilarious.

I did have a horse once. A 2 years later  I got rear ended twice. I had to give him up. Just ruined what was already damaged in my back. I could not clean his hooves everyday like he needed to prevent thrush and so forth. Carrying the hay etc. My ex was always to busy to come help. So I decided if I can’t take care of him properly let him go to someone who can.

HE went to a good home too. The girl loved him.  I went to visit him a year later and he remembered me. The girl was taking real good care of him. She said i could go ride him anytime. Well with my back I really couldn’t .

All I can say is we do our best. For stuff like spay/neuter  colds, eye infections and the like I can handle taking them to the vet. But major major stuff no I can’t.  And I know other people can’t do it either.

I see a dog here that should have been put down years ago. no teeth skinny can hardly walk. Poor thing.

Hubby and I feel bad about Loopy. Hubby is saying maybe we should have put him out of his misery. I dont’ know. For the months he is going to be in pain poor thing hubby feels bad about him being in any type of pain. So do I. But I think turning him over was better than putting him down. He can have pain pills for a little bit. He was going to have to adjust to not using that leg too. He couldnt’ he would fall over. Ohh I felt so bad when I saw that. We really didn’t talk over the decision first. We were told to go ahead and sign him over and they would treat him. They didn’t have the facility there to do his surgery and put pins in.

Seems the vet had an office where she could do that. Just not at their place. And yes it was going to be veeery expensive. Not everyone has thousands of dollars to put out for even their ownselves. No that doens’t make the person a bad pet owner. And that doesn’t mean a person should not have a pet.

And no if I had no insurance I would not be able to get the knee surgery I need. I would not be able to afford even for myself a simple knee surgery. I did without insurance for years and I needed to see a dr. for my back. I just didnt’ get to go til 7 years later and finally got the surgery for myself. I finally got soem insurance. Does that mean I am a bad person. Noooo.

So even us humans have to do without.

So don’t be slaming me for not being able to afford thousands of dollars for husbands Loopy.

I can afford to have Ruby spayed. Cotton is already spayed. I got medicine for a buns eye infection. Took the bun back in for bladder sludge to make sure was just that and not an infection. so I can afford my buns but up to a limit. That doesn’t mean I am a bad person. Just because I am not rich doesnt’ mean I should not have a pet.

And no I am not saying this in anger I know it is hard on computer we just read what a person wrote and cannot see their facial expressions or hear their voice. So sometimes we take things the wrong way. So agian no I am not angry as I am replying here. I hope no one takes this the wrong way.

And I really don’t want to have to keep defending myself. Seems that is all I am doing lately on this site.

 

[bunnytowne]

Fern I doubt this will happen to your bunny. It was a freak accident and I don’t even know how it really happened. So your beloved  furbaby should be just fine.

I think it is this cage I hate this cage. The wire walls are 2 inches long and 1 inch wide. I think they are too big and too easy for a bun to hurt itself especially a bun like Loopy the ADHD bun. Poor fellow.

I am thankful he didnt’ go into shock.

No I dont’ know the dosage of the aspirin they are supposed to get. Even in humans we can get bleeding ulcers from meds like aspirin and stuffl. So if needed be careful everyone.

I was taking pain meds with tylenol in it and everytime I bumped into something I had a bruise. The Dr. changed the med and I don’t have that problem anymore.

And the dog that can’t take aspirin anymore poor fellow. Yes that can definitely tear up the stomache. I forget who writes waht so I just mentioned the dog and I remembered was Fern who was worried about her bun. No these things aren’t that common. Fortunately.

Yeah once the rent $ was spent on our dog we used to have. She needed emergency surgery. The rentee was understanding. And we caught up quickly.

[MimzMum]

I think everyone at this board is VERY conscientious about their pets and beloved furbabies. I don’t think anyone here is thinking of just themselves. Especially not Bunnytowne. I think she and I are a lot alike…we have hearts with many rooms for someone to come in to love. There certainly is no shortage there. Just because the money doesn’t spread that far doesn’t mean the genuine feeling and concern isn’t there.

I don’t think Loopy will be bad off with a vet taking care of him. She’ll know just how much pain med he needs and when to give it, will probably oversee the surgery with the pins and if she was willing to take him like that she must be a very special person herself. I am glad Loopy has a place to go other than the Rainbow Bridge.

It is hard giving up an animal you have loved and cared for. I’ve been in that position many times in my life; usually when I was too young to have any say, but also even now sometimes I wonder if I’ve done the right thing in any decision I have made for those who can’t speak for themselves. My dog who had to be put down this last winter…she had a very invasive cancer that, despite her remaining vim and vigor, would’ve been terrible to have to remove and then give adjunctive therapy for. At 12+ years old I just had to say goodbye to her. It would’ve been cruel to put her through all that nasty treatment. She was a good dog and I owed her that much. Our vet who does house calls came to administer the shot and she is exemplary when it comes to relieving an animal of its pain. We all said goodbye right here in the living room of our home, no having to truck the poor creature to the vet thirty miles away and back to lay her to rest. I have had to do this with a good cat too who was 17 and had vaccine related sarcoma that had been excised once and returned within three months. Now THAT I feel bad for, because I just couldn’t let her go until it was almost too late and I will NEVER do that again. I don’t think her last weeks were very comfortable ones, and my selfishness contributed to that and I have to own it.
But I did sit with her at the end. It was a blessing to see the sedative take hold before the euthanasia and watch her face relax. She looked at me with eyes that just said, “Thank you…” I swear I felt her go through me at the moment of her passing and I knew I had finally done the right thing.
That being said, I remember my stepmom and her duck, Oscar. He was a kindergarten hatchling that no one wanted, so she took it home and mothered it. It used to follow my dad around and bite his ankles. Jealous little poop. When they moved to Hawaii at retirement, she had to leave the duck with a friend who lived near a golf course because she couldn’t take him with her. Years of imprinting…and then to be torn from each other like that. Sadly, a month after he went to his new home, some wild animal killed him out on one of the greens. But for awhile, he was free, which he hadn’t been before. It was very hard for her to accept the whole thing.

Anyway, not meaning to wax maudlin…simply showing that sometimes even when we do the right thing there is some part of it we regret. My guess is that’s just part of the human condition. We feel pain in this world along with love, because, well…it’s not Heaven yet. In Heaven we won’t have to deal with pain anymore.

That which doesn’t kill me only makes me stronger, (and wiser), right? *nods*

Oh, and rabbitpam, thanks for the heads up on AFLAC. I swear those commercials just slay me, between that and GEICO…I never take these companies seriously, but hey, if they take on us cancer survivors then it’s worth looking into! ^_^

[Beka27]

Loopy broke his leg by accident sometime in the middle of the night she thinks. what BunnyTowne did was she took him to the vet, she knew there was no way she could afford to pay for the surgery (surgeries can be into the thousands!) so the vet agreed to adopt the bunny from her and provide the care herself.

i think BunnyTowne’s initial idea was to adopt this bunny for a short time and rehome him anyways, but certainly not under these conditions. she did the right thing by giving him up. her only other option would be to have him euthanised (which still costs a few hundred bucks, i believe).

you cannot let an animal live in pain and do nothing about it. that is not humane. not sure if you’ve ever watched those animal rescue shows on Animal Planet, but there are two types of people: the folks who realize the responsibility (timewise or financially) is too great and sign the pet over, and the ones that are in denial and then the animals suffer.

Moonlight… you might want to consider getting pet insurance for Fern. it costs about 12 bucks a month and (i think) you need to have a credit card for it to be debited automatically. this is something to discuss with your parents. do some research on it, and talk to them and tell them your concerns. the price has to be paid up front but then you get some of it back from the insurance company. animals are not cheap to care for by any means…

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