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FORUM THE LOUNGE DOH!! Why unaltered males cannot be house rabbits…my girl jumped out…and…bad things…

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    • Lion_Lop_Lover
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        Ugh. OK. So Sawyer (2 yo Dutch male) constantly wants to be a house bunny here…so usually I let him out for longer than the other buns on their daily excursions.

        Well, I just finished rearranging and making bigger cages for my lop sister/brother pair and all I have on the top of Smile’s cage now is a piece of choroplast that moves easily.

        WELL.

        We went out to get goodies and I left Sawyer out…making his rounds, pissing off the other bunnies through the cage, etc…

        Anyway, we just got home.

        And Smile was out. With Sawyer.

        …A boy. and a girl.

        And I checked her butt area, she’s definitely been…”bred”.

        Which means in a month…….I will have more than 11 rabbits…………..

        I am in shock.

        To add to it, I accidentally hit my alarm button on my remote while we were driving home and so I get in the house, see Smile and Sawyer and FREAK OUT, and then this cop shows up and I FREAK out so we’re in this hectic who am I; give me ID, who’s my boyfriend, etc etc etc…anyway, so we get that sorted out…

        and now I’m like… OH..MY…GOD.


      • jerseygirl
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          Oh Gosh Lion Lop..there’s a 99% chance this will result in a litter. I would suggest an emergency spay with some sort of payment plan! Try get everyone on board to help you out with this finacially or consider a small loan. Be hoping you can get ths situ resolved. All the best!


        • (dig)x(me)x(now)
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            Yikes! I thought K&K’s story about the breeding through the cage was crazy, but Smile escaped for the occasion!


          • jerseygirl
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              I thought I had read you can have emergency spay for breeding does but not sure………….is this an option anyone???


            • Cassi&Charlie
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                yeah I’ve heard this too, that they can perform an abortion style thing as well as spaying. This would definately be something I would consider, since you have so many bundles of fluffy joy already Lion_Lop…


              • Lion_Lop_Lover
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                  Financially definitely something not feasible in the least… To be honest, my city is lacking in such qualified rabbit vets that I wouldn’t WANT them to perform such a procedure…>.<

                  I don’t even have a rabbit vet because the town’s rabbit vet TOLD me I likely knew more about rabbits than her *when we were discussing Rye’s G.I. stasis episode*.


                • bunnytowne
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                    Oh nooo.   Gosh waht timing too.


                  • DallasDelight
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                      oh no! that is not good at all, I’m sorry. Since there isn’t a close vet that can do it, is there any vet within a few hours driving distance that could do the emergency spay?


                    • Hedi
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                        I’m confused..why would you have 11 rabbits and they aren’t fixed? Are the rest of them not fixed either? If you have more unaltered rabbits this will continue to happen. Rabbits hormones are just so overwhelming and they just cant help it.

                        Our Humane Society has done spays and terminate pregnancies at the same time. I know that this is a very frequent thing for people who work in rabbit rescue-terminating pregnancies during spays.

                        Dont we have other members from your area that have bunny savy vets? No matter what you still need a vet for emergency care.
                        To have 11 rabbits and no vet set up? That scares me. I have 4 rabbits and it can be overwhelming so I cant imagine almost a dozen rabbits.


                      • jerseygirl
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                          members.shaw.ca/cocoasun/CanadianRabbitVets.htm  Lion Lop I don’t know exactly where you are in NB…this is just a lame attempt to help I guess.  Would you be willing to travel over the boarder if you live near it?  That might widen your options.  Please don’t rule out a spay yet, I’d start networking, maybe calling Humane Societies (As Hedi mentioned), shelters, rescue etc to see if they are affliated with vets that do spays for a lower cost.  You never know, you may be successful and then may have a new vet for when/if you neuter Rye.  (I think you mentioned wanting to have him fixed?).   As you say in your siggy, everything does happen for a reason…so it is worth a try!


                        • BinkyBunny
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                            Thanks Jerserygirl, I was just going to post that link.  I’ll also continue to find more resources for your location Lion-Lop because this seems like a very valid solution.   

                            I know you said that it was not financially feasible, but it seems that the result of your bunny having babies wouldn’t  be less than the cost of the spay. (as well as the eventual spay and neuter of the babies at some point?)  Plus with all the bunnies, who knows what kind of health issues may arise with even more – talk about overwhelming costs.    And Sawyers chance to become a house bunny would be limited even more.   So in the long run, the early spay sounds like a solution that would solve even more financial problems in the long run as well as help allow Sawyer to become a house bunny.

                            I’ll be back with more resources that  may work for you. 

                            Okay, I got this  PDF file from the New Brunswick SPCA website.  It is an extensive list of vets in Brunswick – categorized by city so you can go through the list of vets starting by which ones are nearest and work your way out.  I know it is a little extra time to call but at least there are alot to choose from, even in nearby cities just an hour away.  The number for a SPCA is also on the list.  Since this is rather a time crunch, this way you don’t have to use time up just searching at least for vets to talk to – it’s all there with the addresses and numbers.  Of course you still have to apply the screening questions to them so you can  find one that is rabbit savvy, and if they’re not, it won’t hurt to ask them if  they also might have recommendations.

                            here the list http://www.spca-nb.ca/english/documents/ClinicShelterPamphlet.pdf 

                            I also found 

                            They have altered bunnies on petfinder so maybe they have a clinic there or can suggest a vet.

                             


                          • Sarita
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                              I hope you will call around to find a vet to spay Smile as soon as possible. Once that is done then I would at least get the boys neutered asap since hopefully the cost will be less for the neuter and you have less males than females from what I remember.

                              In my opinion, you will be taking on a greater financial burden by having more rabbits rather than getting Smile spayed at this point. Not to mention the feeling that you will start feeling when you realize the situation you are going to be in with more litters and more rabbits than you can handle – you are going to feel overwhelmed and stressed and that’s not a good feeling.

                              The sooner you get her spayed the better.


                            • jerseygirl
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                                Oh yes, you don’t want to be overwhelmed. BB has supplied plenty of info to widen your options. Lion Lop,I just want to say , stay positive and know you have support.


                              • Lion_Lop_Lover
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                                  Oh, I’m not worried or perturbed… it’s just more of a “Blah, more bunnies” kind of feeling. I work at a feed store so I get a discount on feed (a 50 lb bag of rabbit pellets costs me $17 and lasts almost 2 months), litter I get for a discount, and hay – well, I have horses so that’s free.

                                  Hedi wondered why I have 11 unaltered rabbits – well, because… I’ve chosen not to alter them yet, but that doesn’t mean it’s not in the plans. I’ve had 3 + for the last 1 1/2 years with no accidents; this was just a fluke – I also discovered that Smile severed a tie connecting one of her NIC panels to another to get out;…either that or Sawyer severed it to get at her.

                                  I don’t house my unaltered rabbits together…! The only ones who live together are Kibou and her 4 daughters. Everyone else is separated quite sufficiently in cages.

                                  In a positive light, at least they will be interestingly cute babies..lol…Sawyer’s a dutch and Smile’s a broken orange Holland Lop.

                                  I may look into adopting them out; but I realized weaning time is going to fall around Easter…which definitely won’t do! Not gonna chance that outcome!


                                • KatnipCrzy
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                                    OMG what would have happened if Sawyer got into the cage with Kibou and her daughters? 

                                    How much does Sawyer weigh and how much does Smile weigh???  Are they close in size?  (My Holland Lop is only 3 1/4 lbs)


                                  • BinkyBunny
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                                      Wait, I thought the last pregnancy just this past August was an accident.??

                                      How much does a spay cost there? Is it outrageously more expensive there? Does anyone know? And IF she is pregnant, are you planning on spaying/neutering the babies? I know you said that even if did have the finances that you don’t trust the vets there, but have you had any luck with the references, especially the SPCA that may offer low cost references? Or do you want her to have these babies if she’s pregnant?.


                                    • Hedi
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                                        Babies are never blah Members on here go crazy for babies! lol

                                        I think every one of my buns has escaped by chewing thru a zip tie on the NIC houses. Sneaky rabbits- I swear thats what they do at nite..slowly work on the ties so they can get out. I have forced myself into a habit of daily checking all of their cages to make sure we dont have any escapees.

                                        I figured you didnt house unaltered buns together-otherwise you would be like those cartoons where the buns continue to multiply and multiply.

                                        Were you able to find any vets on the list BB found for you? Having 11 buns and the fear that if just one or two got very sick it would crazy expensive. You could be forced to put buns down if they were sick and you couldn’t afford to treat them. It is a realistic fear. I know around here our Humane Society did neuters for around $55 which was more than half of the spays. Maybe the SPCA would offer the same type of deal.

                                        I agree neutering all the boys first would be cheaper for now until you can save for the girls. I have to admit…I think I would be sick over the idea of having to “terminate” a bunny pregnancy but more babies even if they would be cute would you be able to let them go or would you be so attached and want to keep them? If you say right now fixing your current buns is not financially feasible then can you really afford more bunnies? Sometimes those adorable fuzzy faces make us do things we shouldn’t/can’t do all because of how cute they are.

                                        I know our HRS had babies that were old enough to be adopted around christmas and they just screened people looking at them and had on petfinder and their site they would not be adoptable until after the Easter holiday. That could be an idea.


                                      • BinkyBunny
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                                          Great points Hedi! Obviously all very important things to think about.


                                        • Lion_Lop_Lover
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                                            Fortunately I’ve been quite lucky with my guys, the only one who’s ever been ill was Rye – who had a bout of GI stasis and I took him to the vet – which is when I learned that our “bunny vet” doesn’t know that much.

                                            Clearly if one of my rabbits was in in dire need of vet assistance I would not hesitate; but my guys have all been ridiculously healthy with no medical issues for over a year now.

                                            I can just see people thinking ‘hoarder’ and I am certainly not one. I love buns, they’ve all got toys to play with, time to run around, individually loved on a daily basis… everyone gets litter changed every 3 days, unlimited hay, etc…

                                            I’m used to having a lot of pets; when I grew up we had 2 dogs, 5 cats, 6 horses, fish, hamsters, etc… It doesn’t seem strange to me to have 11 rabbits…I’m just a pet kind of girl and am really quite used to having such a responsibility.

                                            I’m not “happy” that Smile is pregnant now, because I honestly had planned to get Rye neutered within the next several months so they could be a bro/sis bond again, so this is frustrating, BUT…what happens happens… and Sawyer’s back on supervised play time only…

                                            It was my fault I decided to let him be unsupervised while we went out, but seeing as how my other buns have NEVER chewed through ties before, freak accident…


                                          • Beka27
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                                              i had told myself i was not going to respond but i have to make one point and then i’m done. they are all healthy now because they are young bunnies. you didn’t luck out in that regard. if you’re not planning on altering, that’s fine. you’re intelligent, you know some about rabbits. you’re aware of the cancer risks. i do hope that you will at least be financially prepared to humanely euthanize if (when) they develop issues relating to not being altered.


                                            • Lion_Lop_Lover
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                                                Why are you assuming I’m NEVER going to alter them?

                                                I’ve said MANY times in MANY posts that I will alter them; I even said in this thread I will alter them.

                                                Just not right now. When I get my 9-5 job and am making $3000 a month then I’ll alter them, but right now I am not.

                                                For the record, everyone…: I will alter my rabbits in the future, just not RIGHT now.

                                                I understand you all preach it, but for some people it’s not a possibility right this moment.


                                              • ScooterandAnnette
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                                                  I told myself I was going to stay out of this too, but…

                                                  LL, I don’t think that people mean to get preachy at you, and I’m sure it feels like you’re being picked on. People are just worried about you, and the buns, because things can get out of control so very easily. I know that you can’t afford to alter them right now, but sometimes “later” stretches on to be much later, and sometimes it ends up being just too late. I’m not sure what age bunnies typically start being diagnosed with cancer, or how old is too old to have a spay performed. We just lost one of our bunnies, I can’t imagine how guilty we’d feel if we hadn’t had her altered and she’d died from cancer at a young age.

                                                  I know you feel that you’re taking care of them just fine right now, but I ask you to please consider a few things. You say you’ll get them spayed when you’re making $3000 a month – when will that be? Do you have that job lined up already? Are you starting it soon? Or is that a few years down the road? Because in a few years time you may already be having to deal with bunnies with cancer. Right now you’re basing your ability to look after your buns on the fact that you work at the feed store – what if you lose that job? Will you be able to care for them and feed them then? One of the cardinal rules of responsible pet ownership is that you have to be able to properly care for them, as they have no means to do that for themselves. That includes having them altered, especially for bunnies because it can literally save their lives. I know that you feel you can’t afford that right now, but can you afford NOT to do it?

                                                  Please remember that people aren’t picking on you, they’re concerned because they care. Things can spiral out of control so quickly, and its so easy to become overwhelmed by it. 2 of our bunnies are from a “hoarder” that had to surrender all her buns. She started out with something like 7 or so of them, unaltered, and then before she knew it she had over 200. Many of them had to be euthanized because they were in such bad shape, despite the fact that I’m sure she thought she was managing them well. It doesn’t take long, and it doesn’t take much for the situation to completely get away from you, and no one here wants you to be in a situation where you feel you can’t handle it anymore.
                                                  – Annette


                                                • Lion_Lop_Lover
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                                                    Guys, I keep my rabbits separated. I don’t let them “mingle and have fun” together like some completely new rabbit owner might think. I’m 22, I’m not some crazy bat old lady who has become a hoarder – trust me, I watch those Animal Cops shows where they showcase hoarders…my house is spic and span, minus a random bunny turd or piece of hay.

                                                    Also – just because a rabbit isn’t altered does not necessarily mean it will have medical issues. Yes, some do. But at the same time, you have those “I don’t know anything about rabbits” owners who end up with a 12 year old unaltered rabbit in perfect health. It happens.

                                                    And really, if anything is ever too desperate I have backup. I’m not going to let my pets suffer.

                                                    This board needs to be accepting of the members who don’t have altered rabbits; I am fully aware of the benefits, risks, consequences, etc to speutering. But just because I know about it doesn’t mean it’s my # 1 priority.

                                                    There are people on this board who love their pets as much as the next person, but their bunny isn’t altered. That doesn’t mean they don’t know anything about rabbits, it doesn’t mean they are a bad owner, it’s a decision THEY have made and we should accept them. I accept them.

                                                    But can you guys please accept me?

                                                    I’ve made my intentions perfectly clear, continuing to lecture me isn’t going to make me change right now.

                                                    Accept that I have unaltered rabbits, but also accept that I love my rabbits just as much as someone who’s got an altered one.


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                                                      Sorry to hear about your “freak out” day with the XKPs (escapees) and the alarm, but I have to admit, I did chuckle a little. Keep us posted on the pregnancy (do buns look big when pregnant?). Sending hugs your way!


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                                                        Posted By Lion_Lop on 01/20/2009 6:44 AM
                                                        Why are you assuming I’m NEVER going to alter them?

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        LL,

                                                        I think part of the issue is that the members here have given you various possible course of actions, including looking up vets in New Brunswick but all you’ve said is that you’re going to do it in the future.  You haven’t even mentioned if you’ve called vets to see if they offer inexpensive alterations or can work out a payment plan.  Even just neutering all of the boys will stop any more possible accidents.  You say that it’s too expensive to do, but with this new litter, it is now going to cost five times the amount for the alterations than it would have with just the two.

                                                        Because of waiting, your two rabbits are now going to be 11 and there’s no guarantee that more accidents won’t happen.  This is how people wind up with too many animals to handle and then there’s an overflow of rabbits at shelters as they’re turned over.  I don’t mean to have this sound like an attack on you or your character.  I know that you love your animals but so does those people who wind up having 70+ cats in a one bedroom house.

                                                        You REALLY need to call the SPCA and some of the vets in your area.


                                                      • Lion_Lop_Lover
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                                                          At least I accept the consequences of such freak accidents…
                                                          I won’t ditch babies as snake feeders or sell them for $5 a piece to god knows who…


                                                        • KatnipCrzy
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                                                            Lion Lop,

                                                              Yes, there are other members on the forums that have bunnies that were never spayed and neutered and they lived happy, healthy lives- but from my understanding these were either single buns, lived  same sex, or lived with speutered bunnies.  The bunnies were not breeding and increasing the number of bunnies in the house.  And most members that do have a oops litter due to improperly sexed buns, getting them while pregnant or other mishaps- soon spay and neuter to prevent it from possibly happening again.

                                                             If you have had 2 plus rabbits for over 1 1/2 years now- that is 18 months, 2 pregnancies- so in all honestly if you are striving for NO litters- a pregnancy every 9 months is not a great record.

                                                            They are your rabbits and you can do what you will- but at some point oops litters and “rescuing” other bunnies will just over reach the limit of what you can handle- and then what?  The more rabbits you have to more unattainable the goal of speutering them all is going to seem.

                                                            How much bigger is Sawyer than Smile- what if she has difficulties and needs a C-section- is there ANY vet that you could take her too if complications arise?


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                                                              OH dear.  One of them chewed through the tie wrap.   Mine have never done that.  I hope they never do.   Rabbits oh my.

                                                              I would love to have that many rabbits but it is too much for me to handle.  I myself could not give them each enuf attention or play time everyday. 


                                                            • Lion_Lop_Lover
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                                                                I won’t comment on one of the pregnancies… but will say this one was an accident.
                                                                So really, 1 pregnancy that wouldn’t have happened if I hadn’t left Sawyer out alone. If I had been here supervising him that wouldn’t have happened.

                                                                 

                                                                Also, please stop treating me like a hoarder. I am not a hoarder and I will rehome rabbits should I feel I can no longer properly care for them.

                                                                But I handle owning 11 quite well, in addition to my 2 dogs and the 2 horses. Like I said, I come from a family that has had TONS of pets while I was growing up, and this doesn’t concern me as a lot of pets.


                                                              • BinkyBunny
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                                                                  I think everyone has made great points and I don’t think anyone questions whether you love your rabbits or not.  The focus has been on the actual logistics of situation.

                                                                  So the other things like  – that  you love your bunnies,  that you will not give them out as snake food like other people do, and that you will always make sure that none of them suffer, etc, etc  - all of that has never been in question.   We know you love your rabbits, that hasn’t been the focus. 

                                                                  What we have been trying to address are the things that you have stated:  1.That it is not financially feasible to spay right now  2. You wouldn’t trust your local vets to spay/neuter properly as being the reason you are not having the emergency spay. Then added:  3. You have been lucky with their health.  4. Not a priority due to where you are in life right now

                                                                  So you have to understand that with those reasons given, when there are possible solutions that seem to go unnoticed by you , this can be hard for anyone to understand. Like Markusdark pointed out, you hadn’t mentioned whether you even sought out that option for this situation.

                                                                  You said you were lucky and that is true. Even members who have just  one or two bunnies (spayed/neutered or not) that are providing the best diet and care, have had bunnies that got sick – so adding more to a household where just getting one bunny an emergency spay is too much money is hard to understand. 

                                                                  It’s not about us accepting you.  It’s about addressing the reasons you’ve given for not spaying (especially in this situation with this being the 2nd litter in 9 months) lack of finances and lack of vet care and not  being top priority – just those three things alone are very very important when dealing with this many rabbits, while at the same time you will be adding more bunnies to the mix.   So of course, that will baffling to many of us.

                                                                  EDITED TO ADD:  Okay, so the the first litter was obviously not accidental according to your previous post here.   The rules were changed back then to include Implied breeding since there was some question – so that intentional breeding could not be posted in that way again.   But if we knew for sure back then that it was intentional the thread would have not remained.  


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                                                                    My opinion…

                                                                    If you feel you can handle extra bunnies, and are willing to then that’s fine. As long as you plan to spay/neuter soon, it’s ok if it’s not done immediately. I know you love your bunnies and think it’s cool you can handle so many..Just be super careful with the un-spayed/neutered bunnies from now on, and try to spay/neuter them all as soon as possible ^^

                                                                    Sounds like interesting babies will result from this lol, a lop and a dutch?


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                                                                      I don’t think anyone is assuming or accusing you of anything. We know you care well for your animals. You expressed wanting to have some of the bunnies fixed at some time which is great. It’s always the owners decision. I know what I tried to offer was some ways you could search for affordable vets. Maybe this event of a possible new litter has brought forward some info on vets and some truly feasible options for the future. You are not obliged to report back hear or stand in judgement. I, and many others it seems are just trying to offer assistance in what you are telling us you want to do. I’m afraid of you getting upset and dropping off the board! I don’t want that – I like having you around and hearing about all your buns! Maybe it’s time to step back a bit and assess things.


                                                                    • Lion_Lop_Lover
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                                                                        I just want to be treated as a normal member; with the only difference is that I don’t have altered rabbits.

                                                                        For those members who were here a year ago, and helped me through a VERY difficult, suicidal time – I value the members here because they literally saved my life.

                                                                        I thought they knew how much they were appreciated, and valued, and now I feel like I’m getting smacked around because of a freaking mistake.


                                                                      • jerseygirl
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                                                                          I’m very glad you had that support then!! Try not to take thing personally. There is always bound to be varied opinions in a group. Remember, many here work in rescue and see an enormous problem out there. I don’t know how they stay positive and keep doing it personally! Anyway, their opinions are bound to be strong on altering.

                                                                          Yes, others most likely do have unaltered pets and this could have easily happened to them. I mean, how many have zip-tied condos?! Easily have happened. Thing is, it’s happened to you and you have been open about sharing the experience. So with that comes advice – that’s what we do round here – give advice (whether is useful or not – lol).

                                                                          Hugs to you, your week has gotta improve from now on right?!


                                                                        • BinkyBunny
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                                                                            Lion-Lop: I do remember those rough times and emailing you because I was so very worried. I so wish you would understand it’s not about you personally. It’s impossible to talk logically that way.

                                                                            If ANY other member had a number of rabbits, and even if they were ALL neutered except their last two, and they intentionally bred them the first time, posted on the board about it, then later had an accidental pregnancy which would then increase the number of bunnies to the member who said they can’t make it a priority, doesn’t have the finances to do an emergency spay, but can then bring on even more rabbits, and doesn’t have a rabbit-savvy vet and hasn’t voiced any thoughts about many of the valid suggestions here made by members, then they would be questioned just the same.

                                                                            People being there for you during your rough times, does not mean the same person  can’t offer suggestions and questions something that is baffling. It doesn’t mean they won’t be for you now and the future. These two things are not related.  Someone can be there for you to help you through heartache, and life problems, and that same person, who cares about you, can still question other things that are hard to understand.


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                                                                              LionLop, just so you know, in case you are in need of a rabbit vet for whatever reason and willing to make the trek to Moncton, I have a good rabbit vet who is very knowledgeable. She’s the ONLY rabbit vet in Moncton who actually knows about them (yeah, I know, it sucks to go to a vet when you obviously know more about rabbits than the “professional”. Been there, done that) If you would like to get her info, feel free to pm me.


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                                                                                I also do not want to appear as if I’m bashing, but I did just read your post about your plumbing problems and your (more frightening) car accident. (Thank God you’re okay!)
                                                                                But can I please ask, do you have some kind of contingency in case something should happen to you for all your animals? I don’t want to think of you having a fatal accident, but just a stint of prolonged sickness can be devastating also. I know it’s a kind of morbid thought, but I guess I’ve been in mortality mode lately and I’ve had several talks with my family of how I want the bunnies (and my other animals) cared for in the event of my sudden (not now of course, but I realize, eventual) long illness or demise.

                                                                                I think we all are just worried about you and your furry family, Loppy. You’ve had so much bad happen in your life, we’d like to make sure that no more does. I don’t think any of us could imagine taking care of so many bunnies, plus other pets. For me, I have three altered bunnies (plus the two dogs, three cats, one fish and two teenagers!) and I can hardly keep up with their needs, and I don’t work. I don’t know how you do it, really. I am at once amazed and also concerned for you. ((((((((LionLop))))))))

                                                                                Please take what we are saying to heart. No one here is attacking you personally. Just showing concern. Obviously the decision, and the outcome, is inevitably up to you.


                                                                              • Splinteline
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                                                                                  Good luck with Smile

                                                                                  I hope everything turns out great!


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                                                                                    I read the first page so excuse me if im beating a dead horse…. its sad to think those rabbits have a really good chance of dying because of something totally avoidable. If you love your rabbits as much as you say you do, you would make an attempt to have at least the boys or the girls fixed (girls preferably because of cancer risks) instead of making the over population worse, yes this may have been an accident but dont you think thats how most accidents occur? People who are responsible and “an accident” happens… over population cycle has started. I was against getting my girls spayed because growing up we had rabbits that did very well being unspayed, lived great lives in the beginning, exc.. we were uneducated on spaying back then. Sadly they did end up dying very young. With my girls I have now as an adult I decided I wanted what was best for them and forked out the money.. Drove well over an hour to get to a vet and spent well over $350 doing so.. and thats CHEAP down here. You do what you have to do… 22 really is still young and an irresponsible age depending on your life events that cause you to grow up. Im over 24 and act alot older, i have two children, own my own home, have a new car, the rabbits, still manage to go to school and work.. im very different and far more mature then my other 24+ friends. Age really isnt the factor.. its more maturity. Im glad to hear you care about your rabbits.. i think all of us here do. I just hope you find it in yourself to make the effort and do whats right for your bunnies….


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                                                                                      Beating a dead horse. Not necessary to reply anymore, I’ve heard it and I’ve got my own decisions to make.

                                                                                      I’m 22, have my own house, my own car, a full time job, a university degree, pay monthly board and care for my 2 horses, 2 dogs, and 11 rabbits, a long distance serious boyfriend, and no family within any short driving distance. I’m far more mature than most 22 year olds my age.

                                                                                      I am VERY mature for my age if you were to meet me in person.


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                                                                                        Oh, and like I said… THEY WILL BE ALTERED.


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                                                                                          It sounds like you really care about your buns. I understand how it can be frustrating with no vet around,money tight and a pregnant bun. Hopefully things will workout and the delivery goes well. Accidents happen. But we all learn to take more precautions next time. Have you figured out any alternatives for taking care of all your bunnies on top of the babies? If you have some really close friends,relatives, etc. who you know will help you out during this tough time, ask them to take care of a bun or two for a couple weeks so you can have more room for the babies and save more time taking care of them. If your re-homing the babies I suggest to start seeking homes now… it may take a long time, so doing it before they’re born should help. Even if you have to resort to Kijiji. Kijiji isn’t all that bad as it may seem, if you put up an ad for the babies and people reply, test them with many questions about rabbit care (also why they want your bunny) and even ask to check the environment (home) they’ll be living in so you can make sure the place won’t be stressful or if someone just trying to get them for snake food. Good luck!


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                                                                                            2lops, I appreciate the advice…

                                                                                            But really, I was just letting ya’ll know what happened. I don’t feel overwhelmed by the rabbits or the pregnancy…

                                                                                            We may as well let it go, BB won’t let me post about the babies, even though this was accidental.
                                                                                            So, I dunno if I can even post pics to show you guys when they are born……


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                                                                                              people can email you privately if they want updates.


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                                                                                                The reason that posting this next litter is not allowed is because this is the second litter within a year. First one was originally to be assumed accidental since posts about intentional breeding are not allowed as well as repeat accidentals from the same owner are not allowed as they fall into implied breeding.

                                                                                                As Beka stated, if you want updates you can email LL

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