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Forum BEHAVIOR Buddie had 4th seizure 3/8/10 2am

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    • lashkay
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        On his 4th day I’ll be giving him the Panacur now, Buddie was in his willow basket  chewing when he suddenly went into convulsions, he stiffened at one point with his foot thrust out and I thought he had gone into shock and died but he went into more convulsions and landed wedged between one of his tunnels and his litterbox, both made of plastic.  He was right side up and tightly wedged in and that kept him from flailing around and I heard him rapid panting and wheezing until after about 30 or 40 seconds he squeezed out and hopped around.  He’s in his mini-haven resting quietly now and I heard him munching some hay in there.  Could it be that the Panacur (de-wormer to kill E. Cunniculi parasite) is causing a reaction in the parasite in his brain and causing it to be active and attack the brain?  Thanks.


      • Beka27
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          I don’t know if the meds are going to react that way. I’d call your vet today and ask.

          Poor Buddie. I hope you can get this figured out. Can you try removing extra stuff from his cage in the evening? (It seems these seizures are only happening at night…)


        • jerseygirl
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            (((Kay))) {{{Buddie}}}
            Ditto Beka, my feeling (as I don’t know one way or the other) it is whatever has been causing the seizures previously. They seem to be frequent so it’s so good your onto a treatment plan for him. It must be so hard to watch him like that. He does seem to come around after a bit which is good.

            Kay, E.C wasn’t actually confirmed though was it? The vet prescribed this treatment as a “safeguard” so to speak? 

            Good observation Beka, on the time of the seizures. Kay, it might be an idea to keep a diary for him, food he has, activity level – anything really, and see if you can identify specific triggers. 


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              I would definitely call the vet immediately. Even if the meds are working and the only treatment, wasn’t she interested in the frequency, time and duration of the seizures? This may tell her something – enough to try something stronger or different once she has this info.


            • lashkay
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                Thank you, Beka and Jerseygirl. Waiting to talk to our vet. Thanks for the healing vibes. He was in his willow basket and I was tying it to the side of his pen and all of a sudden he started squirming around on his side, trying to pinpoint anything I did or that was happening to him that triggered a seizure, but no luck. Thanks again.


              • jerseygirl
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                  I have come across hypoglycemia causing seizures too – possible in rabbits (I’m sorry, Icannot find source of where I read that!) I’m thinking this would be evident from the blood test though. Also, this may sound completely random – but I just read about grass seeds in the ear triggering seizures! Bizarre! Apparently can happen to dogs, cats, rabbits. Makes me want to go check my two’s ears as I let them outside.


                • lashkay
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                    Yes, the blood test was completely normal. I think you’re right, the hypogycemia would have turned up there if it was the cause. grass seeds? I’ve been feeding him wheat grass and a few times, he turned over the pot and was nibbling at the roots. SIGH Thank you for this new info, I’ll pass it along to the vet and see what she says. Thanks, Jerseygirl, the more you know, the better. It just seems if it was the grass seeds in the wheat grass, he would have had the seizure closer following his consumption of the grass or grass seeds.

                    No, the E.C. test wasn’t done as the vet said it would probably be inconclusive and to her, the cost of the test (180) doesn’t justify doing it. So that’s right, the Panacur (fenbendazole) is being administered as a safeguard on the assumption that it very well may be E.C.

                    Yes, Beka, I too noticed the seizures happen in the early morning, except the first around 12/5/09 which happened around 11:30pm but still close to midnight. Thank you.

                    I have been on the lookout for triggers. I had thought that perhaps Romaine lettuce was a trigger as it seems on every occasion he’s had a seizure he also had romaine lettuce earlier before it. But our vet said that wasn’t likely. Too, I give him romaine almost every day so it seems if that was the cause, he’d have had them more often, knock on wood he doesn’t.


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                      It just seems if it was the grass seeds in the wheat grass, he would have had the seizure closer following his consumption of the grass or grass seeds

                      Oh no! I was just saying about it as I found it curious. Probably shouldn’t have! I’m not saying this could be what’s happening to Buddie. I expect it’s not too common. With those cases, it was grass seeds inside the ear bumping against or perforating the eardrum.


                    • lashkay
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                        Thank you for elaborating Jerseygirl. The more things we can absolutely rule out, the better!


                      • lashkay
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                          Thank you, Rabbitpam, I am waiting for the big hand to be on twelve and the little hand to be on eight to call our vet. Of course, she is interested in duration, frequency, how often. We’ll see what she has to say… Thanks.


                        • kralspace
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                            I’m know it’s so hard to deal with seizures, Lashkay.

                            Our neurologist told Michael one time to take it easy on us (parents) because emotionally it was more distressing to watch a gran mal seizure happen to your child than to experience it yourself. There were times when he would come out of one just long enough for a breath and go into another and I thought he was dying in my arms. Then after he recovered, he’d be grandly po’d at me because I would hover and mother him for weeks after.

                            The journal is a great idea and will help the doctor try to pinpoint triggers.Sometimes, like Michael’s, there’s no clear cause of what caused the epilepsy. Just about anything can trigger a seizure, visual, auditory, tiredness, stress, I know you’ve found all this in your research. And sometimes they just happen.

                            Seizures in the early morning and upon wakening are a common type. The brain is relaxed, changing from sleep to conciousness and it’s easier for the brain to lose control. Our neuro says a seizure is the body’s way of ‘rebooting’ the brain, like a computer that gets overloaded, hits a corrupted file, etc…the brain goes into Windows BlueScreen and crashes. (when I say person here, I mean bunny too..lol)

                            Once the seizure is over, it’s like waking up from a deep sleep  again and they can be quite disoriented and confused, usually wanting to sleep. They can be totally frightened or agressive. Depending on the severity of the seizure, their muscles are totally sore and hurting, like they just ran a marathon. Those contractions are unbelievably strong and a misinformed person trying to manhandle and hold a seizing person still can break a limb. That’s why you just try to clear a safe spot and keep their head protected. (and don’t force anything into their mouth, you can lose a finger that way and injure their teeth)

                            Different foods can cause problems. Heavy citrus, wheat gluten, etc can be triggers in certain people. I know this sounds stupid, but even some types of brain activity like math can set one off if that’s where your problem area is, there are just so many variables, causes and triggers, if nothing stands out, it’s just trying to find the right medication to control them.

                            If you find the med that controls the seizures, it doesn’t mean they’re not happening, it can mean that the brain is seizing, but the medicine is shortcircuiting the brain electrical flow before it can manifest in the physical form. After Michael had been on meds for a year we had a stress test done where we kept him up all night and then they exposed him to all sorts of triggers both awake and asleep and his brain wave results showed the brain seizing at everything, but he didn’t have the actual phsycial seizure. It blew our minds. At first it was so discouraging that it was still happening, but then realizing that there were medicines out there that could control it helped his outlook so that he could lead a fairly normal life if he was careful. Vigilance! as Mad Moody always said.

                            Most seizure meds have to stay at a certain level in the blood stream to be effective. They can be rendered ineffective if your system gets run down, you take certain other medications and antibiotics, illness, allergies, stay up too late playing WOW, forgetting to take them, or drop too low just for no reason at all.

                            I know you’re doing all you can for Buddie and it’s so hard to deal with because there are seldom clear cuts causes and solutions.

                            You might want to visit the epilepsy foundation website. There is a lot of information on seizures, and you can visit the forums and read about how people deal with it all, side effects they experience and tips to help make life better. Sorry to ramble on so. We figure the only good thing to come of Michales’ seizures is to try and help others with with.

                            http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/about/types/

                            http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/local/stlouis/images/Davies4.pdf

                            http://www.epilepsyfoundation.org/infants/tonicclonic.html

                            ((((((lots and lots of anti-seizing hugs for Buddy))))))    and (((((((lots of scary-parent hugs for you))))))))))

                            Kathy


                          • Beka27
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                              Along the lines of what Kathy put so well… what are YOU doing when these happen? They seem to always happen at about the same time. I wonder if there is some common trigger that you may not be aware of…


                            • lashkay
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                                Thank you, Kathy for writing in, your input is always beneficially informative. I often wonder how you and Michael and others close to you and him, are doing and pray for you and Michael. Thank you for pointing out that there can be visual, auditory triggers, stress can be a trigger, etc. I didn’t know that. Now that you’ve seen Michael’s brain’s responses to various triggers that are being kept from taking physical form seizures, it makes one appreciate that these “re-boots” are happening at other times as well, when the seizure doesn’t manifest itself physically. That makes sense to me. And bunnies are such fragile creatures, it makes me wonder how my 1st bunny Lash was able to never have a seizure. So if you were rambling, I guess I can too… There’s a lot to be learned from rambling and if that’s what it was, I’m grateful to you for sharing. I learned a lot and will reread your post several times to try to get the many important points in my head to relate them to our vet. Thanks for the web address of the epilepsy foundation. I’m sure there will be tons to learn on there too. Thank you SO MUCH for letting me know you just try to clear a spot and protect their head instead of trying to hold them still. I’ve held Buddy in my arms to my chest the last 3 times it happened and he was reduced to fast-panting and that seemed safer than having him scramble around and possibly injure himself. It helps to know there are seldom clear-cut causes and solutions. I PRAY enough of the Panacur is getting into Buddie to be effective in killing the EC parasite, if that’s what it is. I pray it isn’t being wasted by him spitting out the stuff, and not licking it back in and me not being aware of it. So far, from what I’ve seen, he’s ingesting the medicaiton as well as the fruit. It seems if that can be ensured, that can do the trick with luck. So much beneficial info in your postings, I’m so grateful. God Bless you and Michael and those close to you. Thank you so much for your healing vibes, I send the same, along with my prayers to you both.


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                                  Thank you, Beka, I am trying to be ever perceptive of common triggers. The first time they happened, my back was turned, I was changing some music. The second time I was sitting in my computer chair reading, when all of a sudden I heard him scrambling. The third time, I had just gotten through petting him at his pen gate and was just about to turn off the light for the night when he went into sudden convulsions. The fourh time, I was holding his willow basket, with him in it, and trying to tie it to the pen wall when he suddenly started scrambling in the bottom of the willow basket. If you see any patterns, common points, let me know. Thanks. The computer was on in all cases but other times the computer is on too, and doesn’t seem to be a trigger.


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                                    You know, once I re-read my post, my advice on handling them during a seizure may not be the same for a rabbit. I mean when Mike comes out of the rigid portion and goes into the thrashing, convulsion part, he’s probably not going to break his back, but rabbits are built so differently and fragile. Maybe holding Buddie to your chest to prevent the powerful kicking that could injure his back is the best thing to do. I would certainly keep doing that, but just don’t try to keep him from totally moving.

                                    By the time we all finish researching epilepsy and rabbits, BB may be the place to come for info on it 😉

                                    Thanks for your prayers. Mike is 22 now, he began having seizures at 14, for the first 3-4 years we couldn’t get them under control and it was horrible. They would hit almost every other day, the nurses and doctors at the hospital got to know us on a first name basis, which was good because after one particulalry rough one he had busted his head open and nearly broken his nose and the police were looking at us for child abuse.

                                    He’s been under 100% control for 5 years April, learned to be careful of taking his meds, getting rest, regular sleep habits, etc. Probably more to get me off his back. He’s just started driving and going back to school (community college) and a part time job so he’s really doing well. We have some arguments because to me, it’s like he’s starting out at 15-17 now instead of 22.

                                    Things we’ve found that really set him off: Watching the older tvs and computer monitors when tired (they refresh at the perfect rate to throw the tired brain out of whack), dancing lights when you drive under trees with strong sun or bouncing off water like the lake, certain store lighting and flourescent lights, lack of sleep (then lying to me about it so I don’t make him stay home and catch up). Any illness that gives him fever. He’s careful about keeping his eyes down when the movies get really wild effects and explosions, etc. Really proud of him for his self control.

                                    If Buddie’s having seizures at the same time of the day, take a note of conditions in the room at that time and try changing one thing at a time to see if it helps. Is there strong light coming in the blinds broken up by moving tree branches? Flickering lightbulbs? TV real close to him? Loud sudden sounds like neighbors slamming car doors going to work, etc? Is the room dark and you flip on the lights? (this could either be the sudden light or snapping wide awake suddenly, an early problem with Michael, I had to be careful to wake him gradually)

                                    And sadly again, it might just be time for him to ‘reboot’ and nothing in particular brought it on.


                                  • kralspace
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                                      Unfortuantely Dana K. is on vacation til April, but I searched the questions and answers and found this advice on handling a rabbit during seizures from another AllExpert:

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                                      “If she has another seizure between now and the time you get her to the hospital don’t try to restrain her.  Instead just make sure she isn’t going to hit anything when she is flopping around.  After a seizure they will generally be lethargic and won’t eat or drink until they are fully awake. 

                                      For a list of illnesses that can cause seizures in rabbits please visit the following site.  Remember this is not an all inclusive list.

                                      http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Neurology/seizure.htm (be warned, this page has a disturbing graphic of a bunny having a seizure, but has a list of possible rabbit illnesses that can cause seizures)”

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                                      I also posted the question to 2 disable rabbit groups I follow and will let you know what I hear back. Kathy

                                       

                                       

                                       


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                                        OH my.   I really really want his seizures to be under control.   I saw that picture on medirabbit that link you gave.   OH my  

                                        I can only imagine how disturbing this must be to have to see your baby go through. 

                                        Sending lots of healing and right medicine vibes and  prayers from all of us. 


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                                          Oh the poor baby… ((((((((((((((((sends tons and tons of vibes for better health and no seizures!!))))))))))))))))))))))

                                          I was hoping those meds would work I hope your vet can think of something else!


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                                            I got back answers from 2 people who have/had rabbits with seizures:

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                                            > seizures

                                            I’ve only had experience with one rabbit. During and after a seizure I’d loosely hold him on the floor to steady him but no so tightly to prevent him from convulsing, to keep him from possibly damaging his back if he flipped violently. I’d also talk to him, although I don’t know if that really made any difference.

                                            /s/ Rich Sievers
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                                            To answer the bun question -I had a bun who had seizures like you describe. He would also run madly into walls and furniture while convulsing. I was afraid he would break his neck or back by twisting too hard or ramming into something so I would wrap him in a towel burrito-style and hold him. Eventually he went on phenobarbitol twice a day and his seizure activity lessened. He also came to respond to my touch as a calming thing so I no longer had to wrap him, just press on his head, neck and back with one hand, and he would settle down immediately. I would stay with him until it was done, just soothing him.

                                            I’ve heard that they also go blind when seizing which can only add to their fear. I advocate holding them to comfort them if at all possible.
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                                              Thank you Monkeybun and Bunnytowne, he’s only been on the Panacur medication 3 days with 3 doses in his system – IF it’s not being wasted somehow that I don’t know about – and so it may be that not enough is in his bloodstream yet to have any effect one way or the other. My feeling is we should give it a chance, by 30 days of daily doses, he should have enough in him to kill the parasite, if it is a parasite. But I haven’t spoken to our vet yet. I will ask her if the frequency of the latest occurence to the previous one on 2/28 warrants putting him on Phenobarbitol.
                                              Thanks for the good vibes, you and everyone who is senidng them. It helps to read that to keep me calm and not so discombobulated.


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                                                I am posting my relatng of this morning’s occurence to a friend as I wrote it. It may be more informatve than what I initially wrote about it:

                                                Well, Buddie was in a willow basket, chewing the thing and I was trying to secure it with a tie to his pen wall so it wouldn’t topple off the top of his plastic tunnel and would be secure, and suddenly he went into convulsions on his side. I quickly tried to yank the tie off. Don’t know if my doing such a weird thing set him off or not. He stiffened and thrust out his leg stiffly and I thought he had gone into shock and was dying but after a few moments he continued to have the convulsions, and rolled out of the basket and his body wedged between a plastic tunnel and his plastic enclosed litterbox. Being wedged in there kept him from convulsing and I just heard him rapid panting and wheezing while he was still seizing even though his body was stationary wedged in there. After about 30 or 40 seconds, he squeezed out and hopped around and finally rested quietly in his cardboard mini-haven and I heard him munching some hay in there. I’m gratful his body had been wedged in stationary so he couldn’t hurt himself while it was happening. I had thought that maybe the parasite in his brain had a reaction to the Panacur medication I’ve been giving him, for 3 days now, and is fighting the drug and he seized in reaction to it, but I don’t know. Will talk to our vet today I hope and find out more.

                                                Kathy, I’m wondering if my computer has something to do with it. As far as I can remember, my computer has always been on when the seizures happened. You mentioned older monitors. While I have a new flat screen monitor, I have an old computer – from 1986 or so and Buddie may see the action on the monitor. There’s lots of flashing from the screen savers I have installed plus just in general from my constantly changing screens, etc.. Buddie may have been looking up at the monitor or flashes of light from it may have been noticed by him. Thanks for your comments about whether to try and hold Buddie. This morning, as you can see from what I wrote to my friend, he was wedged in tightly between his tunnel and his enclosed litterbox and couldn’t move so was spared the flailing around and scrambling that you described Michael as doing, that is so similar. I didn’t try to intervene, I was just glad his body was being held and his wheezing rapid panting was what I timed to try to get a duration. I have to play it by ear I guess, according to the situation but I appreciate your providing input, and from others as well, as to how it seems to calm them when they’re in your arms against your chest. Unfortunately, the previous time he seized, I was too self-confident in my maternal instinct or something and I tried to pick him up and he flung himself out of my arms and sailed over the pen wall and dropped 30 inches to the floor on his side and continued convulsing. Then and only then I was able to pick him up to my chest and hold him while he rapid panted until he stretched around looking around, stopped panting and I knew it was over and I could put him back in his pen. That was so scary, I was so afraid he’d suffered internal damage to his organs from the fall, that I didn’t even go into it in a posting. I was so nerve wracked by that experience that I didn’t even stay up to monitor him while he quieted down again and rested, I just turned off the lights and went to bed.

                                                Thanks, Kathy for all your input, I can’t tell you how greatly I appreciate it. When I can, I’ll look on the website with the disturbing graphic although I think my imagination is painting a horror story probably worse than the graphic actually is, as bad as it may be. My computer…I keep coming back to my computer…it’s right next to his pen. The monitor is on the far side of my desk away from the pen, but it may be sufficient to be causing some effect on him. The computer is on practically all night and day and I would think he would be having the seizures a lot more often if that is the cause.


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                                                  I don’t think it would be your monitor, Kay. The older CRT models refreshed about 55megawhatevers by default, and that rate is perfect for causing a seizure IF you’re sensitive to flashing lights. The new flat ones work differently so they don’t pulse like that. Probably not your computer. May not be anything in particular.

                                                  Your account is frightening but it sounds like you took good care of him. The first part of the seizure is the scariest to me, they go rigid and stop breathing for up to several minutes. The awful sounds and all are from the body trying to get air. That’s why some seizure cause blindness or brain damage, the lack of air if it goes on too long.

                                                  Our neuro did tell us that during the seizure, Mike could have the strength of a football player, no wonder your bun could leap out of your arms. I’m glad he wasn’t hurt. I think the holding loosely to you is a good strategy.

                                                  I put the link to that page more for the info than the disturbing photo, it would have been better if I had stripped out the text and posted it instead, sorry.


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                                                    Thank you again, Kathy, for ruling out another mystery. I guess my flat screen monitor is what is called an LCD screen. No the light from it doesn’t seem to be flashing. Thank goodness, I was already wondering how I would tear myself away from being next to Buddie’s pen. This morning was the first time I saw him go rigid like that with his foot thrust out. The other 3 times, he just convulsed and scrambled although it’s possible he went rigid under the blanket I dropped over him and I didn’t see it. Thank you for shedding light on the breathing. I didn’t realize they stop breathing. When they’re rapid panting, it sounds like just the opposite. Now I see. How terrible for them. But if Michael fights your maternal mother hen-ning over him, that sounds like a healthy thing to me, as much as it poses an obstacle for you to deal with. Sounds like on the medication he’s on, he’s got it under control for a big part of it and that’s wonderful. I’m going to go to that website now and check out the info. No worry, the graphic can’t be worse than something I’ve already seen, so don’t feel bad about that. Thanks again, prayers and good health vibes to you….


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                                                      Kay, you might want to join the yahoo site for caretakers of disabled rabbits, there member’s posted several tips last night and you could ask more questions…How is Buddie today?

                                                      http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/disabledrabbits/

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                                                      I’d recommend wrapping him in a towel somewhat like a burrito. He can certainly break his back while kicking his back legs. Keep your hands away from his mouth. Sometimes a towel over the eyes/head will keep an animal calmer.

                                                      Susan Shibley, DVM
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                                                      I had epilepsy when I was 13 and had 4 seizures. The doctor put me on Phenobarbital and I was seizure free when I was 21. I don’t know why, and the doctor didn’t know either. He said it was of unknown origen. But they were grandmal seizures. My neuro said what yours did about the brain overloading by some sort of stimuli. When I got married and moved out of my teenage house, mine stopped. The Phenobarb controled my seizures really well. However my youngest sister has them really bad and she has to take Dilantin and several other meds for the rest of her life.
                                                      I had two rabbits with seizures, my little Bandit and Ben. English Spot bunnies. What I did was scoop them up off the floor and held them close to my body and rubbed their heads over and over and talked softly to them, and they came out of it within seconds. They would be stiff and chewing their tongue and their eyes would roll back in their heads, but I found that cuddling them close to me and rubbing their heads would bring them out of it really fast. If you need any more info, I would be glad to talk to you about it.

                                                      Cheryl

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                                                      I might be coming in on this kind of late and this may have already been mentioned (forgive me if os), but I had a bun who suffered with seizures for about the last 3-4 years of his life. They were E.cuniculi related. The first seizure he had, he literally went blind. Come to find out, this was part of the seizures he was having. He was put on valium for when other seizures occurred.
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                                                      When Jasmine has her seizures\strokes it’s almost always during a bath. We touch a sensitive area and out of nowhere she twists, closes her eyes and appears to be trying to scream. It’s horrible to watch. Jerry and I just hold her close and try to keep her head straight. She has bit us pretty hard several times. I lost a small chunk of my lip a few weeks ago during a bad one. We just kiss her head and try to get her to understand we are there so when she comes out of it she is safe. We have a pet massage therapist who comes to the house once a month and she suggested we gently push on the bottom of her back feet, kind of pressure point area to help her bring her out.

                                                      Most of the time she is out and back to her cute little self in minutes. As for us, well, we don’t recover as quickly.

                                                      Hope this help.

                                                      Eileen Lee – Las Vegas NV

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                                                      this was a reply from Eileen concerning the baths;
                                                      We only give her baths a couple of times a week, the other days we use warm baby wipes to keep her clean. We diaper so she keeps pretty clean overall. Oh yes, we have totally figured out wrong way rubbing or brushing trigers them. She doesn’t have them all the time. We can go for weeks and months with none and then have a few in a weeks time. Sometime nothing trigers it they just happens. We’ve found out that if we have her in a “sink bubble bath” she enjoys it and gets really relaxed. She actually kick and kinda of play in the water while we clean her. See attached “spa photo”


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                                                        Kathy, I hope I didn’t hurt your feelings when I mentioned that I think it is a good thing when Mike fights your being a mother hen over him. I just mentioned it because my mother was quite a mother hen over me at times and I would always fight against it or protest and she told me I always fought her over protectiveness and that was a good thing, it made me stronger. That’s what I meant, that it makes Michael stronger to fight against your mother henning him, and hence, it’s good that you do mother hen him because it brings a positive reaction in his protesting against it. I hope I’ve helped in making that clear. Prayers and hugs to you and Michael.


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                                                          Thank you, Cheryl and Eileen. I too, held Buddie close, wrapped in a blanket, and stroked his forehead over and over until he stopped rapid panting and looked around. It’s good to have the reassurance that I’m doing okay. Thanks so much, Kathy for forewarding those inputs. It certainly does help. So far, Buddie hasn’t bitten me, he did today inadvertently when I gave him the banana with the medicaation, but it didn’t puncture the skin and I know he just bit my finger instead of the food. I haven’t bathed him so far. He keeps himself very clean, he’s very diligent about it, knock on wood. I uesed to give Lash baths in my bathroom sink with just the lukewarm or room temperature water, a little in the sink. She always bulged her eyes when I put her in, probably because my sink is sloped like an unpsidedown dome but she put up with it. She would lick herself when I set her back down in the livingroom, and I’m sure she appreciated having the dirtyness washed away. Thanks so much about the bunnyparents of disabled rabbits website, Kathy!


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                                                            Buddie is his normal self, perky and inquisitive about everything, knock on wood, he’s eating hay in his haybox right now. I worry that he gets enough water but all I can do is make it available and hope he takes enough that he needs. I missed a call from our vet but will try to get in touch tomorrow. Thanks. Bunny hugs….


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                                                              I’m so glad to hear Buddies is doing so well,

                                                              It didn’t hurt my feelings at all, Mike has put up with all the restrictions and complications (including my freaking out) extremely well and with better humour than I would have. At a time (age 14) when his friends are going out doing things, to have to tell him NO, you can not go to the swimming pool, the lake, take a bath or even lock the bathroom door at any time, no computer (until the LCD monitors came out), no driving, no going into buildings, stores that we haven’t checked out the lighting effects on you, no flashing games, no wild movies, no staying up late, if you go somewhere your friends have to know what to expect and what to do, no thick blankets on the bed, no soft pillows, furniture arranged to lessen any hard corners if he went down, taking meds exactly on time 2-3 times a day, me knowing where he is every minute of the day, he has been awesome.

                                                              In the five years the seizures have been under control, life is back to semi normal, he is in control of his own meds (I sneak a peek at the box everynight) and has learned to take care of himself because he wants to be able to get out and do things. His friends have always been great. He had a couple of seizures at school. He always had a problem with the cafeteria lights and one day he went face down into his lunch and they called for help and took care of him until the ambulance got there. He’s learned to joke about it.


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                                                                Yes, you both are awesome. That’s really wonderful, Kathy! Thanks for sharing. If he hasn’t already, maybe you and Mike could share your experiences with seizures and how you’ve coped with them somewhere on the internet where not only rabbit owners will see it, but also other people who are experiencing some of the same things or similar to what you have., will too. I suspect you’ve already thought of that. More power to you both!

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