Babies…..

[charlie82]

Hi,

   This is probably going to be a long post so please bear with me!!

Three weeks ago I agreed to look after a distant relatives rabbits for her whilst she went on holiday…male and female unaltered. She came to me over a year ago when her daughter wanted a rabbit and she knew I worked for a rescue centre. Anyway, I know the kind of people they are and they also have a three year old who is very rough in handling animals, so I tried to persuade her not to get any. I explained the correct care they would need – that they are not supposed to be just stuck in hutches and abused by children, they needed neutering, vaccinating etc and more than likely the kids would end up bored of them. I also told her that she would need to take primary responsibility for them as it’s too much to expect from a nine year old and three year old (8 and 2 at the time). She agreed that it wasn’t a good idea because she herself would be too scared to touch them and would try and let her daughter down gently…..

I then found out a few weeks later that she had gone and bought two baby rabbits from the petshop. I again informed her that if they were male/female they would need to be neutered and split up until done so….but it was fallen on deaf ears and sure enough three months later she contacted me and asked if I could rehome them because her daughter had grown bored and was too scared??? of them! I agreed,  booked them in to be neutered and already had a good home lined up for them..then the day before I was due to pick them up she changed her mind!! I offered to still take them in to be neutered but she wouldn’t allow me to do so.

Heard nothing more until a month later when another relative called me and said that the doe had given birth all over the garden. I contacted the owner and told her it was more than likely she would reject her kits (since she had placed them back in the nest) and she would have to try and hand rear if she wanted them to survive, or I would try to hand rear. She said she was going to sort it out herself and they died which I expected. I told her that she must split them up if she hadn’t already done so and she told me she was going to buy another cage and I heard no more (that was six or seven months ago) So……..

I picked them up three weeks ago (she was unable to bring them to me because she was too scared to pick them up to put in the box) I asked if I could neuter him whilst she was away to which she agreed (in hindsight I wish I had taken the doe in to be spayed, but I already had to pay for two of my bunnys to have dentals, vaccinations for my new bunny, my dog castrated and to have her buck neutered and I couldn’t to pay for a spay too!) I didn’t suspect the doe was pregnant, as when I collected them they were in seperate hutches….naive I know.

Anyway, two days ago the doe made a nest!! I called the owner and asked if they had been together and she said ‘yes, they always go out in the garden together, but he won’t let her near him so I thought it was ok!!!’ I could have screamed at her but i’m too soft, so I  just said they would have to stay with me a little longer so I could see what happens.  What the hell was the point in two hutches then????

So…it’s been two days now and still no kits, I can’t palpate her properly to check because she is extremely aggressive (which upsets me because i know it’s through lack of human contact)  could it be a pseudo-pregnancy?? how long does it take between nesting and kindling?

My vet friend has given me a lot of advice on what I need to do afterwards, but she also said I shouldn’t give the rabbits back and just make up some story as to what happened to them. If they weren’t a relative I would do so, but I’m in an awkward situation. Also, they were supposed to be going back tomorrow but now I don’t know what to do!! If she is pregnant then I don’t want to risk stressing her out but how long do I wait?

 

sorry it’s such a long post, I just wanted ppl to see why I would be so frustrated about this when from the outset I stressed how important it was to have them neutered….guess with people like this they just hear what they want to hear then ppl like me have to clean up the mess!!

 

[JK]

Wow what a saga.  It is so incredibly frustrating to deal with such irresponsible people.  You certainly have gone out of your way to try and educate them and help them.  You deserve a medal!  It just makes me so angry.  Don’t know what to say on the nesting issue but others here can offer you advice.  I just feel for you in this situation.

[charlie82]

Posted By knowltons4 on 01/19/2008 7:47 AM

Wow what a saga.  It is so incredibly frustrating to deal with such irresponsible people.  You certainly have gone out of your way to try and educate them and help them.  You deserve a medal!  It just makes me so angry.  Don’t know what to say on the nesting issue but others here can offer you advice.  I just feel for you in this situation.

 

Thanks,  I’m reluctant to give them back because if she does end up having babies whilst there I know that she will either keep them and the same process will happen again, or she’ll just give them to a pet shop or something…. I was going to teach her daughter the correct way to handle the bunnies when I took them back and give them some care information (not that they will prob look at it) I know they love the bunnies but they just aren’t that well educated on them and it makes me sad to see how frightened they are of people. My aunt said they are more ‘garden bunnies’ since she lets them stay out in the garden for days at a time. I was hoping she would have the babies and then I could keep her here, get her spayed once they are weaned and sort out rehoming them. Think I’ll just have to say to her that I’ll keep hold of them for a little longer…

[JK]

I definitely would not want to give them back.  And the fact that they are afraid of them is really not good.  As we all know those buns should be kept inside so they are not scooped up by a hawk or worse.  Please keep them longer!  Maybe a little white lie is in order!

[babybunsmum]

wow thats so frustrating!  grrr.  maybe you could keep them and explain that you can train them to be less aggressive.  she doesn’t need to know how, and so it can extend to as long a time as neccessary.  another member – lisa – adopted a bun that made a nest & then had a surprise litter.  i wonder how much time it took from nesting to delivery?  if i can find the thread i’ll post it here for you.  good luck!

edit to add… i found the thread  https://binkybunny.com/Default.aspx?tabid=54&forumid=2&postid=18283&view=topic

[charlie82]

thanks for that! I’ll take a look at that link now….

When I spoke to her she did say that she would go with whatever I thought best, so I’ll keep them as long as I can and if she has kits I won’t be giving her back for a long while! I don’t think she is bothered, it’s more her daughter than would be upset I think.

[Scarlet_Rose]

Hi Charlie,

Wow what a dilemma.  However this is my take:  Do not give the rabbtis back and you can simply tell her that the way they have been treated is inhumane (basically you are confiscating them) and you think it is in the best interest of everyone if you kept them and rehomed them to a place more able to care for them properly and has the means by which to have the doe spayed and get regular vetrinary care for them. A more gentler way does not sound like it will work from the entire tale. 

While I realize that they are relatives, and it would be a difficult situation for you it does not sound like you have much contact with them or that they live that close by.  So, it really would not be that bad in the end, execpt for what guilt you might put on yourself for having done it.  I would set that aside and take the mind of a rescuer who is doing what is best for everyone all-around.  Maybe have a sit down and talk with her if it makes you feel better.  But like you said, everything you seem to tell her falls on deaf ears and now is the time to follow through with action.  With most people like that, it is just about the only way it dawns on them. I mean my gosh, she had them all over the yard and not separating them?  What on earth is this person thinking??? I would come over and take them myself if I could.  That is no way for them to be living and if you can’t bring yourself to keep them, then they could just mysteriously disappear from the yard as well and be living happily in an unknown location.

What is going on is not right and the only way it is going to be remedied is if someone steps in. That female is scared out of her mind of humans through mis-handling and the conditions under which she lives (barbaric). 

As for the kindling, the babies sould be born in about 28 days, the female will make a nest just before giving birth (just a few days).  However if this is an inexperienced mother, it is very hard to say and the situation that they have come from…I couldn’t tell you if she is or not either. 

Do keep us updated and I hope that for the sake of the rabbits, you keep them and re-home them.

[charlie82]

While I realize that they are relatives, and it would be a difficult situation for you it does not sound like you have much contact with them or that they live that close by.  So, it really would not be that bad in the end, execpt for what guilt you might put on yourself for having done it.

 

 I think you may be right…. to be honest i’m not sure they would be at all that bothered, they were supposed to have them back tomorrow and I haven’t heard anything. In fact they have been back from holiday a week now so clearly they aren’t interested in their rabbits. If it were me I would have come straight for them once I stepped off the plane.  Unfortunately it’s a sad fact that it’s how most rabbits in England are kept. Many just live out in some crappy hutch in the garden as house rabbits aren’t as common here as in the USA. People who see how I treat my rabbits actually think I am mad!  I have put a nest box in the hutch just in case anything happens. She made the nest at the front part of the cage so I couldn’t access it to give her food etc without seeing the nest. The box means it is covered up so I won’t be disturbing anything.

 

[Annie Fann]

how ignorant can a person be? geez. i agree with everyone. don’t give the rabbits back whatever you do. obviously they’ll just end up back in a bad situation, neglected and uncared for. i’d keep them or i wouldn’t be able to sleep at night. you’re very generous to alter them for her! ive read rabbits nest up to a few days before delivering so it may still happen.  you could tell her the doe had the babies even if she didn’t. or say they bonded to your bunnies and would get depressed if they left. i’m sure if you told a little white lie, she sounds like she’d be happy to give them up since it sounds like she doesn’t care much about them in the first place. maybe she got them to make her kids stop begging (never a good thing!). more likely than not, she’ll forget about them after awhile. they’d be happier and healthier with you anyway.  you said the female is agressive from lack of contact. how is the male? do they even have names? what do they look like?

[charlie82]

Hi,

 I guess it’s only money when it comes to altering them. Thing is, my aunt (by marriage has a very well paid job, beautiful house and is very comfortable) yet she won’t pull out the 100 quid it would cost to keep her pets healthy and happy….she wasn’t concerned about having them together for their benefit, it was so she only had one hutch to clean out

The rabbits weren’t living in filth or anything, quite the opposite. But they just don’t seem to understand correct care requirements….i.e making sure they are safe from cats, dogs foxes etc…It annoys me because I had a wonderful home waiting for them when she originally wanted to give them up.

The female is aggressive from lack of actual handling and obviously hormones. She becomes very distressed if you have to touch her. The male is actually very sweet and docile, a whole lot easier to handle.They are lionhead x’s and are very pretty, names are Sophie and Thumper. I’ll post some pics tomorrow

[Beka27]

wow.  what a dilemma.  thank you Charlie for caring for those poor buns.  at least they have one person over there on their side.  i’d also say, don’t give them back.

just last night my niece had spent the night to babysit for us today.  she is 15, and very mature for her age, and she was, of course, enthralled with my Meadow (who wouldn’t be…!)  so… i was waiting for it.  sure enough, not long after i woke this morning to get ready for work, i was giving Meadow her veggies and my niece says, "ya know, Aunt Beka… i think i want a rabbit or a hamster for my 16th birthday."  (((GROAN)))  my reply, "well, sweetie… i think hamsters make fantastic pets!"  i tried to list the responsibilities of having a rabbit, hopefully some of it sunk in.  i told her the rabbit would have to be altered and that vet costs are typically more for rabbits than for dogs and cats.  she’s really just now realizing what things cost and buying stuff with her own money, so i hope she has second thoughts.

[Scarlet_Rose]

Charlie I wish you the best and truly hope she doesn’t call at all about the rabbits. Perhaps she won’t, who knows? But I think that what you are doing is wonderful and it’s nice to see someone who is breaking the sterotype with how rabbits are being taken care of, no matter how chastized you might be for it. It pays back in dividends when you see how happy the rabbits are.

[Lisa_43]

Grrrrr this sort of thing makes me mad, to me if they are in your custody and she didn’t want them they now belong to you.

My Ebony made her nest and it was about a week and a half later when she had her kits.

Good luck! and I know they are in good hands.

[Ash]

Wow! Some people just make my jaw drop. It’s one thing if someone’s not educated but it’s another when they are and still don’t take it to heart.

Charlie- Can I print your 1st post on this thread and put it up at my local shelter to show what could really happen if proper care isn’t taken? If not that’s fine. I’d just copy the main part and paste it in WORD, so no names or anything would be seen. I think some people are more apt to do something if they have good proof and not just hearing what might happen.

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

ARRGGH…Don’t you wish people had to apply for a liscence to have pets?? Fill out a quiz with a minimum pass grade plus a fee? I dunno, something so that people who don’t care don’t have them?!?! OI so annoying…
Anyways, I did alot of research of bunny pregnancy because I was afraid Kokanee was prenant when I got her (LOL because she had nipples? I thought the nipples might only show when pregnant like cats/dogs heheh how I’ve learned!) so, a false pregnancy (nesting when not pregnant) will happen after being mounted if not pregnant about two weeks after mounting…If they are pregnant they should only nest the day before or the day of giving birth…Of course it’s a little different for each breed, and like mentioned, an inexperienced mother may do things a bit differet…
*Fingers crossed that she’s not preganant*

[Hannah]

I agree with ScarletRose, do not give those poor bunnies back. It’s a matter of at the *very least* quality of life for those poor babies, and if the doe isn’t spayed it could be a matter of life and death for her, because if these people aren’t willing to take care of a spay I’d be damned to think they’d (a) notice something was wrong with her if she got some form of uterine/etc cancer or (b) be willing to fix it if they did. KokaneeandKahlua’s so right– you should have to pass a proficiency test to own animals. This is enormously frustrating. I hope these poor guys are okay now that they’re with you! Tell your relatives the vet took them away or something because they were so badly taken care of.

[charlie82]

Thanks for all of your advice peeps!!!

The babies have arrived!! I just went to check on her this morning to find her sitting with a red muzzle (she is a white bunny) blood stains on nest and it is covered with clean fur. My friend who is a vet said to just leave her alone for now and don’t touch the nest. I want to interfere as little as possible since she already hates people and me going into her cage just to give her food. How do I know that they are all alive??
Also, she hasn’t eaten much since last night so I’m assuming that is because she has been too stressed…question being, how soon should she go back to eating? she has plenty of greens and her rabbit food in with her.

[charlie82]

just bumping this up…

[Lisa_43]

My Ebony was eating the next morning after the birth.

Maybe when mum isn’t around the nest you could put some gloves on and just take a quick peek.

[JK]

Oh my! Osprey here on this forum just rescued a mom and she had 3 babies. I hope he responds to you! Good luck and now you can NEVER give the bunnies back!!!! Sorry I have no experience with babies but many people here do. Keep us updated please!

[Deleted User]

Hi Charlie, I have just finished going through this thread. I am not a “blood is thicker than water” type of person and never worry about offending family especially when it comes to animal welfare; so do not give the rabbits back and tell them why. Now that they have had babies you have a great excuse and frankly, it seems to me that they will get over not having them around very easily. They may get huffy with you….but since you already have a reputation as a nutter…make it work for you. Remind them in no uncertain terms, you warned them, they kept coming to you to bail them out and you want animals back that you are afraid off!!! Now you are taking over…end of discussion! If they want to press the issue, you will be happy to let the law arbitrate the situation….LOL, that ends a lot of discussions then and there.

Good luck with the bunnies.

[babybunsmum]

they’ve arrived already!  wow!  hope you can get a peek at them soon.  definitely keep us updated.  good luck!

[osprey]

We got our mom Marilyn when the babies were two days old.  Mom was *ravenous*, they did not feed her enough at the shelter, and between the pregnancy and lactation, she was hungry all the time.  I assume the blood you saw was from her eating the afterbirth (placenta)?  This is expected behavior.  She should eat very soon, she needs the calories.  If you can get a hold of alfalfa (lucerne) hay, she will appreciate the extra protein in it.  Greens are good to stimulate appetite, just watch for loose stools if you overdo it.  I have been told to avoid parsley and cilantro (coriander) for moms, as these herbs effect the milk production somehow.

As to determining if the babies are alive, you’ll have to try to sneak a peek into the nest when mom is apart from them.  The babies do breathe and wiggle around, so you’ll definitely be able to tell.  Check for round, full looking bellies, this means they are nursing.  If she is not nursing, I am sorry to say that it will be very difficult for the babies to survive.  If you can, keep a cover over the pen/hutch so that the mother is less frightened.  Is this the bunny that you cannot handle because she is so scared?

[Annie Fann]

so she had babies. wow! it sounds like she’s doing a better job than before so i’m guessing she’s got the idea. sometimes you can see the fur moving when the babies are wiggling. since rabbit mamas don’t stay with their young during the day you can wait til she is away like osprey said. i hope the little ones are okay. good luck!

[Ash]

This isn’t experience, just reading.. but give unlimited pellets for pregnant, nursing moms and babies (you gradually go from unlimited pellets to the measured amount when she starts weaning) and keep giving greens and unlimited hay. I heard that to place the greens in somewhat of a shallow but not too shallow for the babies to get into dish to keep out the babies but not the mommy.

[charlie82]

Hi all,

There are too many posts to reply individually so I’ll just give you an update…

I have not disturbed the nest as yet as she doesn’t like me to get too close and if i do she runs over to the nest. I’ve spoken to the owner of the rescue I foster for and she advised me to leave them alone for 72 hours, then do a check. She said if there are any that haven’t made it she will kick them out of the nest. I did hear a little squeak when I went to give her some more veg so i’m assuming it was a baby, although she has covered the nest with thick fur so I have yet to see anything, I also put a nest box in there last night so it is harder to see what is going on at the moment. She is eating well. I’ve giving her three types of hay which she gladly tucked into and pure dried grass.

Osprey..yeah this is the bunny that is very scared when it comes to being handled…I can handle her though, it just causes her a lot of stress. I did call their owner today and told her that she had had babies and I didn’t take them back. Was just vague with her and said I would deal with it. She wasn’t that bothered to be honest, didn’t even ask for the buck back.

Luckily her she is in a three tier hutch that I use rarely for fosters….It is very high off the ground and in a very quiet part of the garden so she will be undisturbed. Unfortunately the runs I use are actually seperate from the hutch. I do have a 5 ft by 5 ft wooden playhouse with a 12 foot run attached also for fosters, so once the babies are up and about out of the nest I can move them in there and they will have plenty of space!

[Gravehearted]

oo Charlie – my goodness with reading this post!  i am so thankful the bunny got to you in time!!!  the owner’s response doesn’t surprise me, unfortuately.  the bunnies are lucky you rescued them!!

I’m sending lots of good wishes and hope the babies will make it…

it’s also helpful if you can put something to help keep them warm in there – like a snugglesafe or heating pad.  it can really help them. 

this article has some helpful information too:

http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/surpriselitter.html

http://www.rabbit.org/care/babies.html

 

[charlie82]

Posted By gravehearted on 01/20/2008 2:00 PM

oo Charlie – my goodness with reading this post!  i am so thankful the bunny got to you in time!!!  the owner’s response doesn’t surprise me, unfortuately.  the bunnies are lucky you rescued them!!

I’m sending lots of good wishes and hope the babies will make it…

it’s also helpful if you can put something to help keep them warm in there – like a snugglesafe or heating pad.  it can really help them. 

this article has some helpful information too:

http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/surpriselitter.html

http://www.rabbit.org/care/babies.html

 

Thank you….I do hope Hareiette is doing better 🙂

I have a couple of snugglesafe heatpads, do I wait until I have looked in the nest before using them? I’m worried that if I put them in now she might stress out about it.  I really hope the kits are alive. It seemed like she knew what she was doing. in fact, after talking with my friend I’ve been wondering if maybe she has been having other litters in the garden that she has been living in and they haven’t survived? It’s just they have been out together six months since her last known litter and I find it too difficult to believe that she has gone this long without having another litter 🙁 In fact it makes me feel sad. I do hope that she didn’t have any left in the garden when I took her! My aunt said she had ‘gone missing’ for a couple of days and she thought she was either hiding in the shed or under the decking.My guess is there hav been other kits…..

 

[JK]

Are you keeping the mom and babies outside in a hutch?  I would think it would be pretty cold in England right now.  Are they safe from predators?  I know you are doing an excellent job but I’m just a little worried if they are outside.

[charlie82]

Posted By knowltons4 on 01/20/2008 3:47 PM

Are you keeping the mom and babies outside in a hutch?  I would think it would be pretty cold in England right now.  Are they safe from predators?  I know you are doing an excellent job but I’m just a little worried if they are outside.

Hi,

Yeah they are outside in a hutch. They have never been used to being indoors and if I were to bring her indoors I think the stress of the smells and sounds would be more detrimental than anything else. We have dogs and cats downstairs, and rabbits upstairs so I think it would stress her out. I would move her into the heated summerhouse but again that is occupied by two bucks and two does so that again will probably stress her out 🙂  If i’d known she was pregnant I probably would have kept her elsewhere from first having her, but being as she’s comfortable in the hutch it’s probably best that she stays there.

The weather here is quite mild at the moment, and the hutch is well covered, she’s on the top floor too free from draughts etc…  she has masses of straw and hay as bedding on top of newspaper and shavings. We don’t have any real predators in terms of hawks etc in England…it’s just a cat coming into the garden that I would have to worry about but to be honest we don’t get many. I live in an urban area and our garden is very well fenced (8ft hight) so no dogs etc can come in…truth being people don’t let their dogs wander around here. Letting your rabbit out here is far less dangerous than in the States.

[JK]

Wow you have quite a household!  In this case, the hutch sounds fine and you are being very conscientious and watchful for sure! 

[charlie82]

Posted By knowltons4 on 01/20/2008 4:11 PM

Wow you have quite a household!  In this case, the hutch sounds fine and you are being very conscientious and watchful for sure! 

he he yes we do!!! it’s like a small zoo and hard work….but I wouldn’t have it any other way!

[Scarlet_Rose]

Charlie it sounds like you are doing an outstanding job with the mum and babies and have all the advice you need. I really don’t think we should visit the idea that she may have had another litter when she went missing but concentrate on her now. It sounds like you will have no objections to you taking over the care of these rabbits and that is a relief to hear. Being vague is good, I really hate the idea of lying to her and if she isn’t concerned, all the better. That pen you have sounds wonderful for them. : )

How is the buck doing by the way and when is his neuter? That is very generous of you to have that done.

[Hannah]

I’m so happy to hear these bunnies have a new home! I hope the babies are okay.

((((baby bunny vibes)))))

[JK]

I was looking up something in my rabbit book and came across kits.  I’m no expert as I have never had baby buns but it says you need to provide heat if there are one or two babies and it should be around 70 degrees.  It says if you can’t keep the room that warm you can place a heating pad set on low on one side of the nest box.  Litters of 3 or more are probably ok without heat as they keep each other warm but if they are outside I don’t know if they’ll be warm enough  It also says do not put the pad directly under the entire box because then it will get too hot and harm the little guys. They need to stay warm to survive and if one wanders away (not now of course), gets wet or if the entire litter is subjected to cold temperatures you have chilled kits and they must be warmed up or else it might be too difficult for them to survive.  Just wanted to let you know and you probably know it already!  Hope you don’t think I’m trying to second guess what you are doing!  I know little babies make it in the wild in much less desirable conditions so I don’t know why I’m overly concerned here!!! Please forgive me!!!!!

[charlie82]

Posted By Scarlet_Rose on 01/20/2008 4:56 PM
Charlie it sounds like you are diong an outstanding job with the mum and babies and have all the advice you need. I really don’t think we should visit the idea that she may have had another litter when she went missing but concentrate on her now. It sounds like you will have no objections to you taking over the care of these rabbits and that is a relief to hear. Being vague is good, I really hate the idea of lying to her and if she isn’t concerned, all the better. That pen you have sounds wonderful for them. : )

How is the buck doing by the way and when is his neuter? That is very generous of you to have that done.

 

Hi Scarlet, I also really really hate lying and am not very good with it. I figure not giving her any option and taking decisions out of her hand is the best way. I’ll take anything in if i’ve got the space to give them a good life. I don’t like keeping rabbits in hutches but at the moment they are more comfortable than than they were at their old home….they just gave them sheets of newspaper to line the hutch.

Thumper I had neutered two days after getting him so that was almost three weeks ago and he is doing great,  he’s a very sweet little man. I’m going to spay Sophie once the babies are weaned.

 

[charlie82]

Posted By knowltons4 on 01/20/2008 5:39 PM

I was looking up something in my rabbit book and came across kits.  I’m no expert as I have never had baby buns but it says you need to provide heat if there are one or two babies and it should be around 70 degrees.  It says if you can’t keep the room that warm you can place a heating pad set on low on one side of the nest box.  Litters of 3 or more are probably ok without heat as they keep each other warm but if they are outside I don’t know if they’ll be warm enough  It also says do not put the pad directly under the entire box because then it will get too hot and harm the little guys. They need to stay warm to survive and if one wanders away (not now of course), gets wet or if the entire litter is subjected to cold temperatures you have chilled kits and they must be warmed up or else it might be too difficult for them to survive.  Just wanted to let you know and you probably know it already!  Hope you don’t think I’m trying to second guess what you are doing!  I know little babies make it in the wild in much less desirable conditions so I don’t know why I’m overly concerned here!!! Please forgive me!!!!!

Hi Knowlton, thanks for the advice!! I don’t think you are wrong in being overly concerned. To be honest, I’ve never had to deal with a litter, it’s usually unwanted adults I have come here so this is a first for me!

I’ll put the heatpads next to the nest, that way i’m sure some heat should radiate from them. I’ll wash the covers now then use them to stroke mum so they have her scent on them. I am concerned about them being outside at this time of year but my vet friend said they should be fine and it look like mum is doing a good job in making sure the nest is comfortabe and well covered.

[Beka27]

thank god those babies have you to help them!  i’m also skeptical that there weren’t many more litters.  hopefully these ones will survive and will be able to have a good life.

[charlie82]

Thanks Beka!

I’m also skeptical…I just hope there weren’t any when I took the bunny three weeks ago. The babies were wriggling around this morning so that’s good. I haven’t seen any movement this afternoon but she is very protective of the nest. I just spent the last hour covering the hutch in plastic sheets, blankets and more plastic sheets as after saying the weather was mild last night we now have about 12 inches of snow!!!!

[Kokaneeandkahlua]

Oh yuck! Nice weather for you to be tromping outside in!! Well I guess you deserved the snow after commenting on the weather being nice You’ll have to stock up on hot chocolate or something to warm you up after going out to check on bunnies!!

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