Abscess and Bicillin (Marcy E. Rosenfield (Moore) )

[BenBentheBun]

4 days after Bentley’s neuter, I discovered a quite large swelling above the neuter incision. I emailed the vet and brought him in the following Tuesday. The vet mentioned that it’s likely a abscess and prescribed baytril, metacam and gabapentin. I don’t think the baytril will do anything honestly but so far he is eating, pooping and alert. I will be bringing him back this Friday to anoter checkup.

I was reading the protocol that was done by Marcy E. Rosenfield and was going to mention it to my vet when I go this friday. Does anyone happen to have her email? I found the protocol but on this forum, someone had mentioned that once every 3 days was not recommended anymore, but the protocol that I found still mentioned it so i wanted to clarify.

I am just worried because this swelling appeared extremly fast. He was neutered on a tuesday and it was already very large by saturday. There is also scabs on the swelling so I am not sure if he maybe scratched himself when at home and it got infected? So far he has been acting completely normal and does not seem to be in pain. But I am jus worried about large and fast it grew. Does anyone experienced something similar? Thank you

[jerseybunnies]

Scabs are not uncommon. Swelling could be from him picking at the area.

Unfortunately, I do not have Marcy Rosenfield’s email nor have I experienced something similar.

I also wanted to apologize that nobody else responded to this thread. Hopefully some more people will see this and will chime in.

Good luck!

((Edit: I found a link and an email. That reply is under moderation now but I hope it helps you when it posts!)

These are just my suggestions. Please seek an experienced veterinarian if you have medical needs / questions. Thank you! 

[jerseybunnies]

Ahah! Look what I found. I’m going to hope that this is the article you were talking about: https://people.umass.edu/~jwmoore/bicillin/bicillin.htm The Bicillin Study by Marcy E. Rosenfield (Moore).

Scroll down to the bottom of the page under Acknowledgements and it says this:

This protocol and accompanying data will be revised and updated as more patients’ case studies are reported.  Questions, queries, and case study contributions can be directed to the author at petlabrabbits@webtv.net

Hope this helped!

These are just my suggestions. Please seek an experienced veterinarian if you have medical needs / questions. Thank you! 

[BenBentheBun]

Thank you @jerseybunnies !  I was able to find the email last night and she did email me back . Apparently there is a shortage of bicillin, but she said i can use PenG procaine as a substitute and inject everyday, but of course I will be discussing everything with the vet first

[jerseybunnies]

You’re welcome! That’s great, I’m happy I could help with that 🙂

These are just my suggestions. Please seek an experienced veterinarian if you have medical needs / questions. Thank you! 

[DanaNM]

To my knowledge, Baytril won’t penetrate an abscess. I treated my bunny Moose’s jaw abscess with sub-cutaneous penicillin injections, I had to give them at home every other day for 6 weeks. He handled them very well, and I found them easy to give once I got the hang of it (easier than syringe feeding, if I’m honest).

The vet usually will have to clean the abscess out first, because rabbit abscesses have a very thick capsule and the pus inside is very thick, so it doesn’t drain on it’s own.

 

. . . The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.  

[BenBentheBun]

that is what I was thinking too. I will bring the protocol to my vet tomorrow and speak with her about possible treatment options. She wasn’t able to fit me in due to a packed scedule but still wanted to see him so I will be dropping him off and the doctor can see him when she gets the chance.

[BenBentheBun]

Here is a picture of it. The scab (there is actually more than one just smaller) is covered by the fur but it is pretty much right in the middle and this is kinda bad lighting as it was taken at night but it looks redder and more angry in person.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PBc3NYSLw4XQISslNBfi4qUkri7aLMlW/view?usp=sharing

 

 

[Bam]

It is a bit difficult to see.

I agree with Dana though, abscesses in rabbits as a rule need to be treated surgically. I think I found the protocol you are referring to, where they describe opening up the abscess and treating it with hydrogen peroxide to make the pus less thick and thus easier to clean out.

Has your vet deemed this abscess inoperable?

 

[BenBentheBun]

no she has not. My vet was busy with surgey so another exotic vet took a look. My usual vet still wanted to see him so that is why we are going back tomorrow. I will print out the protocol and bring it with me and hopefully we can figure something out.

Can a abscess be treated with just antibiotics? Or does it need to be cleaned first?

[DanaNM]

i might be seeing something wrong on the picture, but is the swelling on the abdomen? In neuters there are usually two small incisions, one on each testes. The location of the swelling (unless I’m looking at this totally wrong) looks more like where a spay incision would be… so I’m just a bit confused.

I’m glad you will be seeing the vet tomorrow, let us know what they say!

 

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[BenBentheBun]

he actually got a single prescortal incision. But the ncisions are actually lower down. The swelling is located around the abdomen which is why I was so confused as to why it even developed in the first place. I was told his incision site is healing very well. the only thing I could think of is when he came home he may have poked himself on hay or maybe when the vet was shaving, maybe they nicked a region? I have no idea, it developed within 3-4 days so that concerned me too.

[DanaNM]

Oh interesting. Hopefully you get some answers tomorrow!

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[LBJ10]

Is the area hard? It looks more like a hernia than an abscess. But a hernia would be soft to the touch. Abscesses are firm because the puss is so thick.

[BenBentheBun]

it’s quite firm. I did think hernia but its too hard to be one

[BenBentheBun]

Just a update. The doctor said there was a bit of tissue mixed with pus when they stuck a needle in so they will have him on PenG procaine for the nect couple days. Nect tuesday we will head back and see if the abscess is all pus or if there is still tissue mixed in. If there is only pus then they will cut it open to get rid of the pus and continue antibiotics to hopfully get rid of it.

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