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› Forum › DIET & CARE › Please help – stasis questions, also recommendation on syringe for critical care
Current situation: Hello folks. My rabbit (Bun) was absolutely fine 2 weeks ago. Took her to the vet for routine checkup, they said she had an ear infection and sent her back with drops. Started administering the drops, and within a day her appetite dwindled. Wasn’t eating as much pellets or drinking as much. Over the course of the week, got worse until she was eating no pellets at all, barely drinking, and just not looking well. All that said, her mood seemed absolutely fine even though she wasn’t eating much, which was confusing. That same night, I gave her some kale, and she got crazy excited and devoured it, as though nothing was wrong. Then, yesterday morning, she started eating pellets again out of the blue and drinking. Took her to the vet who said she looked like she’s on an upswing. Sent her home with stasis medication, and said critical care if she stops eating again. Today she stopped eating again, at least no pallets or hay. 🙁 Though she will happily devour kale. We put some critical care on the kale and she got in about a tsp that way.
Two questions. First, do you have any general advice? I’ve never dealt with this. Any other veggies to try than kale? I want to get her some green leaf lettuce.
Second, can anyone please recommend a decent syringe for critical care that I can purchase ASAP? I have these curved tip syringes that the vet office recommended a long time ago, but even when I cut the tips off, I’m having a really difficult time getting it in her, because it’s getting stuck. I just don’t know what to get. If anyone has a recommend, please throw it my way.
Thanks in advance.
just as a follow up, i went to rite aid (pharmacy) tonight and they gave me a 10 ml oral syringe. it’s a lot better than what i have. so im hoping it’ll work better. i’ve also now read that you can water critical care down more than the package recommends, so doing that too. thought i would add that.
I use a 20 ml syringe or a 10 ml syringe, that I fill from the back (I e take the plunger out and fill the syringe with a small spoon). I find those bigger syringes easier to use than the small syringes. Some people however prefer using small syringes, in which case its best to have a few that you pre-fill before feeding-time so you just can get right down to business without having to refill the syringe during feeding. It’s just a matter of personal preference, there’s no wrong or right.
CC can be made extra sloppy and that’s often very good, because fluids are super-important for stasis buns.
Romaine lettuce is good for buns if she’s willing to eat that. All kinds of leafy lettuces can be given, but they’re obviously not very nutritious so a bun can’t live on lettuce only. It has a great water content though.
Do you think her ear problem could have returned? Ear problems can be very painful and pain causes inappetence in rabbits. She might benefit from some meloxicam (NSAID painkiller), unless she’s already on that, of course 🙂
Thanks for mentioning about the water content in lettuce, if anything that makes me feel better. I got her green leaf lettuce last night and she’s been more than happy to eat it. I also kind of put critical care on the lettuce and rolled it up and was able to get a good bit of critical care in her that way, which was a godsend. She’s eating more today and drinking too which is very promising.
You know what, luckily, i took her back to her regular vet 2 days ago and they re-checked her ears and the ear infection is now gone 🙂 So that’s good news.
Yay for being rid of the ear infection! They can be stubborn, so it’s really great that you took her in for a check up.
Serving critical care rolled up in lettuce like bunny dolmades was very clever! I’m glad she loved the lettuce and is eating more now 🙂
i hate to say this but she has wised up to the critical care on the lettuce and will no longer take it. im trying so hard to feed her this critical care, but i just can not find a syringe that works. no matter how runny i make it, i can’t get it in and then put the plunger in and make it work, because there’s so much air in ti that it just blows everywhere. i am feeling desperate to find a syringe that works with this stuff. does anyone have advice on a specific one you can link to that works for you. she is sadly not wanting to drink or eat much today and i feel helpless because i can’t find the tool to use to feed her
Also, does anyone happen to know of any actual stores that carry critical care, where you can go in person and purchase it? i can only find the stuff on amazon and places like that, but it takes a week to ship to me. i keep getting recommended that papaya fine grind saying it will be easier, but for the life of me i can’t find a source for it. have tried walmart, petsmart, petco, and tractor supply, i can’t think of other places. any advice appreciated.
When you’ve put the plunger back in, knock the bottom of the plunger against the table decisively, once or a few times. This will make the CC collect at the bottom end of the syringe so you can push out the air pocket that’s now at the top. This obviously works best with bigger syringes (10, 15 or 20 ml).
If the syringe starts to jam, lubricate the rubber gasket on the plunger with some simethicone baby gas drops before you put the plunger into the loaded syringe.
Critical Care is messy, but practice does make a huge difference. The find grind is easier to use but only available in rather small sachets so I use the normal grind.
Many rabbits like it if you mix the CC with sth yummy, like canned plain pumpkin (not pie filling) or a little bit of baby fruit/berry puree. This can make a bun more interested in eating the CC by itself.
I dont know where you can buy CC in an actual shop, but many vet clinics sell it, at least the small and medium sachets.
Thanks a lot for this post. Do you mind clarifying one part. You mentioned this:
“When you’ve put the plunger back in, knock the bottom of the plunger against the table decisively, once or a few times. This will make the CC collect at the bottom end of the syringe so you can push out the air pocket that’s now at the top. This obviously works best with bigger syringes (10, 15 or 20 ml).”
This is a really good idea about wacking it against a table to collect the cc at the bottom. But I don’t understand about how you can push the air pocket out. How do you do this? The problem I’m finding is that once the plunger is in the syringe, it’s a sealed system, and the only way to get that air pocket out is to push the plunger. Unfortunately, the air pocket gives such resistance that I have to push so hard and when it finally “gives” all that critical care just explodes everywhere. I keep loading it and then just trying to push it in to a cup (not in her mouth) to make sure I’m actually able to do it, but I can never seem to get it to work. When you are pushing the air bubble out, how are you doing it exactly?
Good idea about baby fruit or fruit purree. Might get some strawberries and whip that up. I know she won’t be able to resist.
One question I do have – if she is eating a normal amount of greens, and she’s nibbling hay, but completely refusing pellets, does she even need crticial care so? If so, how much do you need to reduce it by? I’m quite confused about this part. If you do not have an answer, that is alright. I’m going to call my vet tomorrow when they open and ask. She is very interested in greens and is devouring them. She’s eating hay (not tons, but a little bit.) It’s just she is completely refusing pellets, which is so bizarre because before one week ago she couldn’t get enough of them.
To clarify: After whacking the plunger “bottom” against he table, I push the plunger in until the air gets out. However, if the syringe is intended for medical use (injections), the plunger gasket fits very snuggly, and especially after having been used a few times, the plunger tends to get jammed. It is for this situation that I find lubrication of the gasket with simethicone baby gas drops useful. You also benefit from a feeding technique where you push the plunger in during feeding with the part of the palm under your thumb, not with your thumb tip.
After struggling with medical syringes that nearly drove me crazy, I managed to find a small pet feeding syringe at a pet store. The difference is a somewhat wider tip and, more importantly, a less tight fitting plunger gasket. A feeding syringe doesn’t need to be air tight because its not intended for injections. A feeding syringe is very much easier to work with.
I do understand your frustration. I still have critical care residue on my kitchen ceiling from my struggles with a much too stiff syringe.
If she eats a good amount of greens and some hay, it might be enough with 2 or even one CC feeding per day. Total daily amount is of course dependant on her weight. When my 1.5 kg rabbit ate CC alone, nothing else, I gave him around 80 ml CC per day, divided into 5 servings. A rabbit stomach holds about 20 ml, so I never gave more than that per serving.
To make sure she’s getting enough food, you could try to estimate how much she poops per day, and size, shape and consistency of her poop – and you can weigh her. I weighed my Vilde every day when he was ill, and wrote down his weight. I had a notebook where I wrote down when and how much CC I gave him (he also had a ton of meds that I recorded similarly. You might not need to weigh your bun every day, but perhaps twice per week? I weigh my buns in a bowl on digital kitchen scales, but there are baby scales that are suitable for weighing rabbits on.
Thank you so much. I’m going to purchase a pet feeding syringe. Glad to know rabbit stomach capacity. I wasn’t giving her more than about 5 ml at a time to be honest, because I didn’t want to force too much on her at once. Sounds like I can give her just a tad more though.
Yes, you can give more than 5 ml. 5 ml looks like a lot in a syringe but it’s really just a teaspoon. But the first time my vet gave me a pre-filled 20 ml syringe with CC and told me to feed it all to my bun for his evening meal, I was like 😳😳😳 It seemed like a ton of food and my bun was so tiny!
we have found some pet feeding syringes at a local pet store, and are getting ready to pick them up. really wanted to thank you for taking the time to explain that to me. i really hope these work. oh god, yes i can imagine about the 20 ml. id be so uncomfortable giving my bun that much food at once!! she already hates the cc feedings. i feel like she hates me right now and it’s very sad.
I’m glad you found pet feeding syringes!
Rabbits tend to forgive and forget once they’re feeling better and nolonger needs being syringe fed. Some rabbits will become used to being syringe fed, like my Vilde. He even came hopping out into the kitchen when he heard me prepping his CC. He was old though, and on daily CC for a long time, so he had time to get used to it.
thanks for the support, Bam. I appreciate it. We picked up a few syringes this afternoon. Will see this evening how well it works. Gonna keep my hopes up 🙂
This is terrible, but I have used food injector syringes before. I just took the “needle” off. The opening is a little bigger and the syringe may not be as air tight when the plunger is in.
wow, that’s a really interesting idea. never would have even thought about food injector syringes. just curious but where do you usually purchase yours? or is there any particular size you use?
Hey I wanted to give a small update. The pet feeding syringes we found at the pet store yesterday actually worked! Bam you were right, the plungers were not so tight, so we could actually push them down without the critical care exploding out. As a result, I was actually able to give her some critical care last night! The good news is that she was actually eating more yesterday so I only gave her a little bit of critical care. (To be honest, I was not certain how much to give if she was eating greens and a little bit of hay and only rejecting pellets.) About an hour after the critical care, she actually went to eat some pellets, which was a little triumph. This morning, her pellets were all gone, and she was demanding more like usual. She devoured her greens and has been in and out of her hay box all morning munching on hay. She is looking energetic again. I think the meds the doctor sent home have been useful. She is pooping too, I’m not sure if she’s pooping more than in previous days, though.
I don’t want to be too positive too soon, but I just wanted to say thank you for recommending specifically the pet feeding syringes. The one we got yesterday honestly was only 3 ml I believe, but I do not mind having to refill it so quickly. I was just relieved to have SOMETHING that was actually working. I will post some pictures at a later time of syringes I have found that work, in case it helps anyone else in the future.
Thank you for this lovely update! Fingers crossed she’ll keep improving!
It’d be very helpful for the forum members/readers if you post a pic of the feeding syringe that works for you!
If she starts eating more now, there will still be some delay before you see an increase of amount of poop, but it will happen eventually.
Thank you, Bam for the kind wishes. We bought a few syringes and i”m gonna experiment a bit, and gather the exact details on them before I post, so it’ll be comprehensive. The one we used last night was not ideal, but it was at least enough to get it in her, and surely better than the oral syringe they gave us at the pharmacy (which had a plunger which was way, way too tight.)
› Forum › DIET & CARE › Please help – stasis questions, also recommendation on syringe for critical care