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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Emergency care kit for rough molts

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    • prince dorian the bun
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        Miu had her 2nd possible bloat last night due to molting, and Dorian had one not that long ago. I admittedly didn’t quite stay as on top of brushing last week as I have had to return to office and she got maybe a quick little daily once over, rather than a longer session or several spread throughout the day. (I gave her a good brush, yesterday and she’s had several short sessions today, it’s endless though) But still, I am realizing Lionheads and their beautiful long fluff is quite the liability during molt, especially with two buns that seem to be more sensitive. I have gotten almost a lunch sack full of fluff in two days alone and feel there’s a endless supply. I have been pretty lucky to be able to get them through it with simethecone and belly rubs, but was thinking of asking my vet for metacam prescription. I think that’s primarily for pain? Are there any meds that help get things moving? Like bunny laxatives? I’ll ask vet too, but find it helps to go in with ideas. I am especially concerned as there’s a lack of emergency bun care near me and the more I can have at home to deal with it the better.

        Thanks for suggestions!


      • puffnono
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          There are motility drugs such as cisapride, though in my personal (and non-medical) view, it’s more important to keep some supplies of critical care and feeding syringes in such cases to keep the digestive system going.


        • LBJ10
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            Here is a list of first aid items to keep on hand: https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/First_aid_kit_for_rabbits

            Gut motility and pain medications are on the list, as well as Critical Care.


          • prince dorian the bun
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              Thanks, have most things on the list other than the prescription needed ones and stethoscope.

              I have read in the case of bloat, you don’t want to give liquids as this will just exacerbatetheproblem… would this also include critical care? (I do have some on hand, but have yet to use it).

              I should probably write up a list of questions for my vet as well.


            • Bam
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                True bloat is not at all the same as GI stasis or a gut slowdown. (I’m only mentioning this because when you’re seeking info online or speaking to your vet, it’s important). Here is a description of true bloat, which thankfully is a lot less common than GI slowdown/stasis: http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/GI_diseases/Mechanical_diseases/bloat.htm

                True bloat requires swift vet attention and is very often still fatal.

                For the GI stasis/gut slowdown that often occurs with molting, fluids are good and necessary. You can give extra runny CC or cooled “hay tea” in a syringe, there are also rabbit appropriate fluid replacement formulas. A vet will give sub q fluids for mild cases and I’ve fluids for worse cases.

                Meloxicam is good because GI trouble causes pain and pain can make a rabbit “shut down”. Meloxicam should be given together with famotidine (Pepcid, which is a cheap, easy to find OTC drug), to protect the stomach lining from the meloxicam.

                Motility drugs should only be given if you’re certain there’s no blockage, and you cant know that at home unless you see poop. A GI slowdown is however a lot more common than a blockage.

                I recommend having a good, quick thermometer with a flexible tip in the first aid kit. It’s not very difficult to take a bun’s temp, here’s a good video on how to: https://youtu.be/YZd10Hk0maA It’s super important that the bun gets actively warmed up if the temp drops below 37.5 degrees C or approx 99 F. A low temp indicates that the bun is going into medical chock. For warming the bun up you can use a pet heating pad or a warm water bottle, a microwaved sock filled with rice (put a cup of water in the microwave when you heat it so you dont wreck the microwave) or hand warmers wrapped in a towel or surgical gloves filled with warm water.

                These meds and interventions can absolutely save a buns life. There are times when you cant get hold of a vet. I have that problem here outside of office hours.


              • prince dorian the bun
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                  Thanks Bam. I do have thermometer and hot water bottle. That clarification on bloat helped. I will look for pepcid and chat with vet about rest.

                  Trying for now to stay on top of grooming and though she’s still shedding at least it seems reduced, so hopefully we are over the worst. Dorian is starting, but it’s not that heavy,  probably for the best as he absolutely hates being brushed, and barely tolerates plucking unless I am super gentle so have only managed a few short sessions. As long as Miu is eating she barely seems to register the comb which is a blessing.


                • LBJ10
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                    Yes, true bloat is rare. The stomach will rapidly fill with gas and become distended. The stomach will actually start putting pressure on other organs and major blood vessels. This is why bloat is so deadly. Bloat should not be confused with gas pain (which can lead to stasis). This is a much more common condition. As Bam said, there is a lot of things that can be done at home to treat stasis. So yes, it’s good to have things on hand to help them if they are having an episode.

                    So do they have big molts? Some bunnies will have a few big molts per year, while other bunnies will just shed little bits of fur 365 days a year. There is a lot of debate about whether or not it is beneficial… but some people swear by papaya enzyme supplements. I think Oxbow makes one.

                     


                  • prince dorian the bun
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                      Thanks @LBJ10 .That is good to know, when I was panic reading articles while she was having her incident I was worried it was much more common. Most of the things said you could tell apart by one being gradual and the other being immediate, which since she was fine and then not fine had me really worried. Though having read up more, she did do some small poops at one point which they say is sign of gas or stasis… she had started showing signs of improving and even eaten a bit of hay after her first dose but then just gone back to doing worse. Realizing at 3am that the nearest emergency vet who might have a rabbit savvy vet was almost a 2 hour drive, just made me realize I need to be prepped as in an emergency that is too long. I had been told there was one closer, so going to check on that with my vet as well.

                      Dorian refuses papaya, he is happy to eat pineapple. Miu is sort of on the fence about pineapple, have not tried papaya for her yet. I am on the fence if it works or not, but will give it as a treat fruit and hope it is giving that as added benefit.

                      & yes, Dorian at least has big molts, usually about 4 yearly (some last a month). Spring molt is not the heaviest, but has been the one with the most issues. I don’t know if other hormones come into play or why. I think it’s because I keep the temperature pretty close to outside, he really feels the seasons so to speak and does fluff up in winter quite a bit, in summer he will scare me as he is a much sleeker bunny (first time thought he lost weight). Miu is having a big molt right now, so going to guess she’ll be the same. I have only had her 1.5 months (which is crazy to think!), so still learning her patterns. She’s part lionhead and has much thicker and longer fur than Dorian, so I am hoping it doesn’t cause issues. His fur is super fine and kind of like silk, his big problem is brushing him is a challenge as he seems to have very sensitive skin. Dorian is also just dramatic.


                    • prince dorian the bun
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                        Oh just found an emergency vet that specializes in exotic pets only 1/2 hour away! Bookmarked as 3am is not the time to be trying to google that. (Hopefully someone else reading this can learn from in retrospect seems like an obvious thing to do!) In my defense I had been told another closer emergency vet had a rabbit vet, but turns out that is no longer current and only their branch in another city has one.


                      • Bam
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                          That’s great! Hopefully you’ll never need a vet in the middle of the night, but it’s really reassuring that there is one!

                          Gas pain can become symptomatic from one hour to the next.

                          One very important home remedy is to make the bun move around. Dont let the bun go into hiding, thinking that things will be better with a bit of rest. Block off access to any hiding spots where it’s difficult for you to reach.

                          The bun won’t want to move, rabbits have very strong instincts telling them hide away and lie low so as not to attract predators. You have to actively make it move around. Movement helps gas (and poop) move through. Pick the bun up, and then put it down some distance away so it has to hop back to where it wants to be. You should do this often, every 30-45 minutes. The bun will not be happy to oblige, but don’t let that stop you.

                           


                        • DanaNM
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                            I think a big thing to have on hand is sub-cutaneous fluids. You can ask you vet to show you how to do it and have them give you a bag. Myra used to have a lot more trouble with her molts, and would often perk up after sub cutaneous fluids. Dehydration is a huge contributor to stasis but is not always the first thing we think of.

                            Simethicone helps with gas, but not motility. Movement helps too, as others have mentions.

                            My other go-to’s are to syringe feed a small amount of watery critical care and give metacam.

                            I will also sometimes skip pellets in advance when I need to bump up hay consumption.

                             

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                          • LBJ10
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                              The Oxbow supplement is a cookie/biscuit… which might be more appealing since I’m sure they taste more like pellets. I’m glad we were able to alleviate some of your worries and that you found a closer vet to use for emergencies.


                            • prince dorian the bun
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                                Thanks everyone! It helps to have a plan, especially since 1/2 hour is still a ways away.

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