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Forum DIET & CARE First GI Stasis episode

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    • MMmm
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        Hi my friends, I’ve been posting here a lot because this new bunny I’ve adopted since the pass of my senior bun has been giving me a lot of puzzles.

        Yesterday we had our first stasis. He is only 10 months old and I’m very stressed out. I thought i would be enjoying a few worry free years as I’m having a young bunny again.

        He was still eating hay as usual until 8:30 am. I always have a habit of shoving hay in my bun’s face randomly throughout the day and when I did it around 9am he refused to take it. I immediately switched to a treat and he took it but only half heartedly. His tummy felt ok at that point. I continued to shove food to him and quickly he started to refuse everything. His tummy also started to feel full to touch. I gave him some motility and pain med that I had in hand (though expired). Not sure if I was being paranoid but I felt the stomach had a tendency of getting harder, so I did not want to force any food or liquid into him. I gave him tummy massage and he tolerated it pretty well which was not normal. Later, he peed and pooped on the mat while I massaged him. Poop was well formed which I knew meant the culprit had not yet come out.

        He started to perk up a little around 4pm. Still refused hay but would be able to come up to it then turn away. I gave him some cilantro (his favorite) and he slowly ate it. Finally took the hay I shove in his face around 6pm. Belly became less full at that point.

        As I posted before, this little boy sleeps through the night. He goes resting soon after I turn off the light in his space (8pm) and doesn’t come up to eat anything until he hears sounds of us waking up (5:30am ish). I had stopped worrying about this because he ate a decent amount in the day time and produced good poop balls. But yesterday I was very worried because he had just started to recover from stasis and then would not eat anything for the entire night. Fortunately he was still okay this morning.

        Now ive been trying to rule things out. There were only 2 “new” things in his diet. I started giving him those Oxbow strawberry treats the past week. But they were tiny and he only got 1 or 2 per day. Another thing was that he ate 2 stalks of mints the night before the morning when he started stasis. Each was about 5 inches long with a bunch of leaves. He’d had mints before but that was only a few leaves occasionally. Though I’ve heard mints are good for tummy.

        Sorry about the long post. I’m worried and stressed. I’m taking him to the vet on Thursday but would like to hear from you experienced bunny parents. Thank you


      • pinkiemarie
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          It’s possible something made him gassy and you actually prevented stasis by getting him meds early. I keep some baby symethicone on hand to give when I suspect someone is gassy or not feeling well and give it half an hour before I start calling for a vet. I had one case of gassy bunny that the gas drops helped, and that was actually just caused by a new box of Timothy hay (first cut vs second cut). So anything new can potentially cause gas and gas can potentially cause stasis.


          • MMmm
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              Thank you. As he’s young and already started to have problems I’m going to just stick to the few veggies he normally eats.


          • DanaNM
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              It’s really hard to say, but it does sound like you may have fended off a worse episode.

              It’s really hard to know a bun’s full history and what might affect their gut. I do recall a member who’s bun would have issues if he ate even 1 browned mint leaf!

              I think taking away both the possible culprits is a good move. Does he generally eat plenty of hay? Is he molting?

              Dental issues could also start to manifest and cause GI issues.

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              • MMmm
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                  sometimes he eats more hay sometimes a lot less. Generally he is not a big hay eater. When I got him at 4 months old he’d never had any grass hay before so it took me a long time to get him into eating hay.

                  he has just finished a big molt but I think he’s starting with a new round again?

                  I am definitely not going to give him more strawberry treats or mints. Going back to plain old willow or apple leaves. He’s going to the vet tomorrow and we will discuss more. Thank you.


              • DanaNM
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                  Molting can def be a trigger as well. I think this time of year is a little stressful on bun’s physiology.

                  Sounds like you have a good plan going forward!

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                • Bam
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                    Molting is a major trigger. I have an 8 month old bun who refused food and  treats a few weeks ago. Totally out of character, ske luuurves food. I treated asap with 1 ml simeticone baby gas drops, and she was back to normal gluttony after about an hour. She had just started her first major shed.

                    Its not fully understood why molting rabbits are prone to GI issues and general grumpiness, but rabbit owners see it all the time. My private theory is that the bun’s immune defense is somehow  involved in  “killing off” “old” hair and that this leaves the bun somewhat vulnerable -either because the immune defense is on high alert during this time, or because its occupied with elimination of “old” hair. Its not a sign of poor health, I’d rather think its the opposite.

                    It seems like you are handling this in the best possible way. You are aware and vigilant.


                    • MMmm
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                        We went to the vet yesterday and looks like there are more going than the molt. But molting stills plays a role I agree. So you think it’s more of a compromised immune system than molting creating extra hair ball (obstruction)?

                         

                        I posted updates from the vet in the comment


                    • MMmm
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                        Updates from yesterday’s vet trip:

                        good thing I had him booked because he stasis came back again yesterday morning after being fine for 3 days. I gave him 1ml of simethicone then headed to the vet. After we got there he was already eating according to the vet probably the car ride helped get rid of some gas.
                        We still did x ray and blood work. I’d like to say that x ray really helps reveal what’s going on with buns. Doctor asked me if Ive noticed any sneezing and YES I have. It hasn’t been crazy but he does sneeze here and there more than I’d like to hear. One time (after Sunday’s first stasis episode) I even found a little discharge after he sneezed. It was only a little it was clear and thin so I didn’t think of it too much. Vet said his bronchi look congested as if he’s an old rabbit. So we were sent home with motility and pain meds as well as antibiotics. It’s called TMS. She was suggesting a nebulization but it’d be 20 mins twice a day which I felt a bit too overwhelming. So we are on TMS. Is it an effective antibiotic for treating respiratory infection?

                        another thing was that my bun’s incisors were a little misaligned and the lower ones were longer than the upper ones. I don’t think it was too bad because he was eating hay fine. But we still trimmed them. Poor baby came home couldn’t eat hay properly. He would chew and chew without any progress. He could only eat a piece of hay from its end like a spaghetti. But he seemed to be getting used to his “new” mouth a bit better today.

                        and today the vet called me for the blood test results. His kidney value and white blood cells were a bit elevated so she called off on metacam and switched to Butorphanol. His calcium levels were a bit low and the vet suggested to bring him in for another dose of fluid with calcium. I do not want to bring him in again due to all has been going on for him. We are coming in for a follow up next week and I’d like to do it all together while we are there. The vet reluctantly agreed.

                        My major question: do you guys think the potential bronchial inflammation or infection could be the culprit for this stasis episode?

                        another question: is it really concerning if I wait on his calcium fluid until a week later?


                      • Wick & Fable
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                          1. (I am not a vet) — In actuality (and quite frustratingly), anything that could cause a rabbit distress seems plausible to lead to stasis, since not eating is a reaction a rabbit can have to virtually any stressor, and that lack of hay consumption/generally food movement through the gut is going to lead the GI system malfunctioning. So yes, the discomfort of respiratory issues could be stressing enough to create the cascade to GI stasis/slowdown — whether there is an anatomical/physiological link, I do not know.
                          2. I don’t know re: the calcium — This sounds like a vet-consultation question, absolutely. You could discuss if increasing pellet amount may help compensate in the mean time and/or if that may be an alternative, more accessible method at this stage to get that calcium boost.

                          Re: incisor layout and chewing, it may be beneficial to cut hay strands shorter. My Wick’s incisor layout is also bottom incisors longer than the top, as a result of misalignment– it is actually permanently like that (i.e., it maintains itself at a non-harmful length, but just not matching the normal rabbit incisor lengths for top/bottom), and he greatly benefits from shorter pieces of hay. He gives up/doesn’t try eating longer strands because of how long it takes for him to move it in his mouth in order to get that ‘heavy’, long hay strand in the exact position so he can best chew it. He has been on timothy 1st cut, timothy 2nd cut, and orchard hay, and across the board, he’ll only eat more if they are cut. I don’t measure, but eye-balling I probably do 3-4in strands?

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                          • MMmm
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                              Yes I understand that stasis is a symptom so I’m really hoping to find the root especially he’s so young. I didn’t know the sneezing could be so bad but the x ray showed it though.  And the incisor issue i really didn’t think could be the cause. But who knows. Oh and the molting too. In Southern California we are on A/C currently in Feb. can you believe it?


                          • DanaNM
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                              I’m glad you booked him in! I totally agree that x-rays are a great tool. Were the back teeth checked when you did the x-ray?

                              And I agree with Wick, stasis generally a symptom rather than an illness in itself, so any other health concern could cause it in theory.

                              Nebulizing is very effective, and usually is pretty relaxing for the bun (you basically just hold the bun on your lap with the little mask over their face). If you don’t see improvement with the other treatments I wouldn’t be intimidated by it.

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                              • MMmm
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                                  I hope the antibiotics work. He hates being picked up.  So I would hate to pick him up twice a day.


                              • DanaNM
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                                  You may be able to coax him into a carrier and do nebulizing that way, I know of a few members who’ve devised various contraptions for long term.

                                  Does he like his antibiotics? Some of them taste sweet so the bun will take it willingly, or you can mix it with a little mashed banana to turn it into a treat.

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                                  • MMmm
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                                      My previous bun loved her banana flavored pain med that she was on long term. I was grateful for that. This new boy runs away from all five of his meds. Just finished his third course and this time it took a little shorter to get them in.


                                  • Bam
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                                      I agree stasis is a symptom and the root cause tends to lie elsewhere.

                                      I have used TMZ (it’s called Bactrim here but it’s the same thing, trimethoprim/sulfamethoxazole) for a lower respiratory infection in a rabbit. He got oral Bactrim, twice per day for 2 weeks. He also got terbutaline for 5 days to help with breathing, I had to dissolve pills for human children to get the proper dose. The vet is rabbit savvy and my bun got well after completed treatment, but he actually loved the taste of the med (banana or vanilla toffee, I don’t remember), which made it a lot easier.


                                    • MMmm
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                                        2/17/22 updates:

                                        went in for a follow up. He’s been back to eating pooping normally last week. Todays follow up was for his lungs and blood panel. Kidney and calcium values are now within normal range but his lungs haven’t really improved much despite the antibiotics that he’s been on. His incisors also have pretty much grown back to their original state: lower longer than upper.

                                        in conclusion we still don’t know for sure what caused the stasis. It could be potential lung infection, unknown internal inflammation, slight incisor malocclusion, or a fur ball that got stuck. To really trying to figure out what might be going on, more invasive procedures like a ct scan or abdominal ultrasound will be needed. I find them too traumatic for him and since he’s actually normally we’d like to keep an eye on him for now. I really want to eradicate whatever it is going on in his bronchi but since he’d been sneezing here and there (not too crazily and no discharge), I’m not sure if that was the cause for his stasis. As for the incisors, I did feel his hay eating habit got better since the trimming? We’ll have to see in the next few weeks how this might turn out.

                                        it’s frustrating not being able to get down to the root and there seemed to have a lot going on. I really hope he won’t have any more stasis episode. By the way whether or not his lungs will improve (on X-ray) I will finish his 14 day course of antibiotics


                                      • DanaNM
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                                          I’m glad you were able to a couple rule things out, but I’m sorry you didn’t get more clear answers.

                                          I think before turning to more invasive diagnostics, it’s important to ask the vet how and if the treatments would vary depending on what you find. In many cases with rabbits, the treatments are the same (pain management, supportive care, etc), so knowing more doesn’t always help.

                                          it sucks playing the waiting game, but hopefully his infection will clear and he will keep improving. As much as stasis is usually a symptom of something else, there are often cases with no clear cause. It seems like molting and dehydration are the most common causes of one-off stasis events.

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