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Forum DIET & CARE Weight lost tips

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    • martini
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        So it turns out my 1 yr old bunny “could lose a bit of weight” according to the vet. He is a holland lop, neutered, at 2.185 kg and she wants him to be 2.1kg, even 2.0kg of possible. He is not fat per se, but I do agree that he is slightly bigger. What I do not understand is that his diet is very healthy, I have no idea how he managed to be overweight:

        • his pellets are very restricted – in fact he only gets them as treats during training (about 4-5 pellets a day, Science Selective brand, timothy based)
        • i give him half of Fibafirst hay stick (also Science Selective) a day
        • unlimited timothy hay, very limited oat hay (about one handful a day, also more as treat)
        • 2 cups of veggies a day (mostly romaine, cilantro, dill, bok choy)
        • never had a single commercially bought treat in his life
        • i might give him a slice of an apple once in 2 weeks, if that
        • free roam in the entire apartment, plenty of space to exercise. In fact I even make him run after me for awhile before giving him his salad in the morning…

        He does eat a LOT of hay. By a lot I mean about 3 times his size. I assume there is no such thing such as too much hay, so I cannot cut it off. So my question is, given his already strict, almost pellet-free diet, what else can I really do to make him lose weight? Cut down on veggies? How does one even become overweight on greens :)))?  Or do I just live with the fact that he is just a bigger bunny?


      • DanaNM
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          Hmmm, that is curious! But some buns just hold their weight more easily. And some vets really like to see bunnies very lean (it helps with their joints later in life). Also, bunnies’ metabolisms shift at that age and they can kind of round out a little.

          The only things I can see that you might reduce are the Fibafirst stick and the pellets (even though it’s barely any). Some buns do seem to gain weight from veggies, weirdly enough. Maybe you could alternate which days he gets pellets and which days he gets a Fibafirst stick? And reduce the veggies a bit?

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        • martini
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            Will try alternating the stick with pellets and update this thread later in case someone has the same issue 🙂


          • DanaNM
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              Great! We love to hear updates on how things go!

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            • Bam
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                Fibafirst is kind of rich but half a stick isn’t much. We’d be happy to hear how it goes. If you have access to fresh grass that’s pesticide free, you could substitute maybe half or even a little more of his fresh greens with grass. Grass has the optimum fiber-to-energy-ratio for buns, and this time of year it’s not super nutritious like it is in the spring.

                I once had to diet an overweight mini lop. He got hay, a tiny,tiny amount of pellets, fresh grass, a small salad, a few apple twigs to gnaw on each day. Apple twigs are a very good boredome buster for rabbits, and they’re not fattening.


              • martini
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                  Updates: Martini so far has lost 50 grams, we have about 100 more to go. Switching one day 1/2 of fibafirst stick, one day up to  5 pieces of pellets seems to work. In addition, I have done the following:

                  • removed oat hay from his daily hay intake as it is higher in calories, he gets it as a treat (one handful) about 3x a week
                  • reduced significantly the veggies – I weight them now and he gets only 150 grams which is less than a cup. With bok choy, I only give him the leaves, not the white part. Did not find any source on what part of bok choy is higher in calories but I assume it would be the white part – do let me know if you know 🙂
                  • unfortunately I have no access to grass here in NY so only first cut of timothy that is. Luckily Martini prefers the first cut timothy over anything else anyway.
                  • not a single slice of an apple, and as it has been the case since the beginning no other treats

                  The question is how to proceed once we reach the optimal weight. I guess I should stick to this diet plan and maybe just increase the amount of veggies to one cup a day?

                  BTW, e does get apple branches but he is very picky – they must be fresh with some leaves still attached to it lol


                • DanaNM
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                    That’s great! I think you can just continue as you have been, losing weight gradually is healthiest for bunnies. Once he gets to his “ideal” weight you can see about adding in certain things and see if it makes a difference. 🙂

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                  • Bam
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                      Sounds wonderful! As Dana says, rabbits should lose weight slowly. With my bun I gave a little more pellets when he reached his ideal weight and a little more greens. I kept weighing him every week though, and kept a weight diary.

                      I dont know about calories in different parts of bok choy. It seems like what you are doing works though 😃


                    • Wick & Fable
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                        Please see here for further reading on weight management: https://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Weight_management

                        I do not think adjusting vegetables really does much for weight, outside perhaps feeling “full” from the water content and potentially not eating as a result. There can be a sort of “magical” thing about a rabbit reaching their ideal/healthy weight– it can tend to stay there due to homeostasis of just the body’s function, so once you’ve reached it, I’d do as Dana suggests and just do some adjustments and see how it goes!

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                      • martini
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                          Ok so updating this in case someone finds it interesting / useful. And can provide me with their opinion:

                          Martini managed to lose all his extra weight by doing all of the above (mainly cutting down veggies, alternating one day half of fibafirst stick, one day 4-5 pellets as you suggested here). Once he hit the magical 2kg I started giving him 1/2 fibafirst sticks every day again, same amount and type of veggies (less than 1 cup)… and no pellets as I actually run out. After one week of this, he STARTED GAINING WEIGHT again and went back to 2.100. Looks like the fibafirst sticks are what cause the weight gain although it is very hard for me to believe as it is primarily hay based and extremely high in fiber.

                          I removed the sticks and only give them every other day again, and he started to lose weight… So I guess I will continue alternating between 1/2 stick and 4-5 pellets like during the diet period… permanently. Any thoughts?

                          The sticks I am talking about: https://supremepetfoods.com/products/science-naturals-fibafirst/

                          If you look at the ingredients and analytics, it seems fairly healthy (healthier than pellets even) to me… I don’t understand the weight gain on this…


                        • Bam
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                            Thank you for this report! Weightloss tips for rabbits are very important and useful!

                            Fibafirst does contain things that arent “natural” components of a rabbit’s diet, such as wheat flour, soybean flour and ground peas. Since rabbit feed producers as a rule dont declare energy content, I dont know if Fibafirst are extra energy dense. Rabbits tend to go crazy for them, which might be a “bad” sign since rabbits go crazy for food that’s energy dense. I used Fibafirst with my old and poorly bun, but he had difficulty keeping weight on, so his situation was kind of the opposite of Martini’s.

                            If the alternating between half a stick of Fibafirst and a few pellets seems to be working great for Martini, I’d keep that routine. Id also keep weighing him, at least once a month, preferably once a week.


                          • DanaNM
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                              Glad you figured it out! That is surprising about the sticks, but it makes sense because even if it is mostly fiber, they are much more compact and dense than strands of hay. Plus those starches that Bam mentioned!

                              It sounds like rotating between those and a few pellets is a good plan!

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