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FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Does my rabbit have bladder sludge ?

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    • ABM_ABOLFAZL
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        Maintenance and Housing
        Is your bunny housed indoors or outdoors? Indoors
        Does your bunny live with other bunnies? NO
        If yes, are they bonded? 
        If you rabbit spends time outside, are wild rabbits around? 
        How much exercise does your bunny get per day? He runs around the house at morning and night for like 1 – 2 hours.
        How often do you clean the litter box? Twice / 3 times a day
        How often do you groom your bunny? I brush him every day.

        Spay/Neuter
        Is your bunny spayed/neutered? NO
        If so, for how long? 
        If not, why not? His 4Month old

        Pooping and Diet – Very Important
        What does your bunny eat normally: Hay – Palletes ( small amount like 1/8 cup) – green leafe’s – fruits small amounts ( Apple , Berry)
        How much hay and what type?  like 2 – 3 cups and i change that every time i clean his litter box
        How much pellets and what type?



        How much veggies and what types? 1 – 3 leaf’s of each  -> basil, cress, parsley, Kale, lettuce, Broccoli, 
        How many treats and what types? i dont give him like treats but i use his palletes as treats for like teaching tricks he LOVES them
        Anything else not listed?
        When was the last time your bunny ate? a couple minute ago
        What was the last thing your bunny ate? hay
        When was the last time your bunny pooped?  a minute ago
        How did your bunny’s most recent poops look : round black with green things inside it

        Illness & Symptoms
        How long have you had this bunny? Idk this image is for today
        In a few words, can you explain the symptoms? his peee is like kinda milkythen ever and around it is another color
        How long ago did you first notice these symptoms? today
        Have you consulted a vet? No .
        Have you started any treatment for the symptoms?
        Was your bunny physically ill or injured when you got them?
        How has its behavior and appearance changed, if at all? idk but i saw different behavior from him while i was brushing him in my hug after i left him on my belly he started digging my belly XD and when i got my hand close to his mouth hi did a small bite

        Explain your situation in detail. hey everyone I just wanted to know if my bunny has  bladder sludge and this is picture of his litter box.


      • Wick & Fable
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          I don’t have experience with bladder sludge, but I do believe this is inline with bladder sludge– that is a A LOT of excess calcium secretion.

          I am curious about the diet, mainly the amount and type of hay your rabbit get. I think adjustments to reduce calcium intake and increase hay and water intake are important at this point. That may also mean cutting out high-calcium vegetables.

          Does your rabbit have access to water all the time? Do you see him drink water often? Is it in a bowl or water bottle?

          … also, I noticed that you change the litter box 2-3 times day. That’s a lot of work for you! What kind of rabbit-related supplies are available around you? There might be all-natural/chemical-free cat litters that would serve you better than sheets of newspaper.

          The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


          • ABM_ABOLFAZL
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              Hey thx for your reply and is it bladder sludge then 🙁
              yeah he has access to water bowl all time and because its hot here i even drop a ice cube inside his water every time i change it  and about the hay idk really because in here (Iran) they just throw everything in and they dont care for types but as i know its alfalfa hay  and there arent a lot of like rabbit based supplies but about cat litters yeah there is a lot of different cat litters.


            • Wick & Fable
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                Unfortunately, I can’t give a definitive answer because it’s not something I’ve gone through with a rabbit. I understand that you may not have a rabbit-experienced vet accessible to you, so hopefully more experienced members can provide more direct suggestions in that case.

                If your rabbit is eating a lot of alfalfa hay and junior pellets and vegetables, that could explain why there’s so much calcium being released. Is there any different types of hay available to you? Perhaps timothy or orchard? Bladder sludge aside, eventually you do not want your rabbit on alfalfa hay anymore because of its nutritional content. Often, people switch to timothy hay  around this time or soon after. I would suggest making the switch now if you can.

                The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


              • ABM_ABOLFAZL
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                  suddenly i dont think there would be other hays available i will try to search all of the stores and see if any farms around have timothy . thx

                   


              • Bam
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                  There are other grass hays that rabbits can eat, if you can’t find timothy. Horse hay is good for rabbits unless there’s a lot of alfalfa in it. Fresh grass that’s pesticide-free can be an alternative to hay.

                  It’s very important that your bun drinks a good amount of water. Some of our members have reported good results from adding a little bit of cranberry juice to the bun’s water. Always serve plain water as well, some buns won’t touch water that tastes funny.


                  • ABM_ABOLFAZL
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                      he driinks a LOT these days


                  • DanaNM
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                      Junior rabbit pellets can have a lot more calcium in them because of the alfalfa (pellets are often the main source of calcium in a bun’s diet).

                      Kale, parsley, basil, and broccoli are high in calcium, so you could swap them out for a lower calcium veg (romaine, endive/chicory, or bok choy), or at least be sure they are in a rotation and not making up all of the greens. However, even high calcium veggies have a lot of water, which offset’s the calcium. So Dr. Francis Harcourt Brown doesn’t think that veggies are really an important source of calcium unless the bun has a known issue with calcium excretion. Drinking lots of water is very good.

                      Young rabbits do need one source of alfalfa, so if he is getting it in his pellets, he doesn’t need alfalfa hay as well (you can do just a grass hay, like timothy or orchard).

                      Can you post a picture of the urine without the paper, and maybe before it dries? To me it looks like the rest of the urine soaked into the paper, so it makes the calcium really stand out and look more dramatic than it might really be.

                      Sludge is very thick (sometimes even as thick as toothpaste), so if the fresh urine is liquid and doesn’t have a lot of sediment in it, I don’t think it is a huge problem.

                      Of course the best thing to do would be to have a check up at the vet. As a young bunny, it would be nice to have a check up anyway. 🙂 Vets will usually do x-rays to see if there is calcium building up in the bladder or elsewhere.

                      . . . The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.  


                      • ABM_ABOLFAZL
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                          thank you for your guidance about the uraine at first the other parts just get soaked and the white milky part remains and it gets soaked after couple minutes or more and about vets we dont have vets specially for rabbits here but i will try to look for a good vet and try to find another type of hay thats good for him. THX


                        • ABM_ABOLFAZL
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                            but somth else that i notice was his bottom smells so bad even i cleaned the open spot on 2 sides of his genital area but the smell looks like to be from his poop is that a bad sign :(?


                        • DanaNM
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                            Bunnies have scent glands on either side of their genitals that can be pretty smelly, especially when they start to hit puberty (around 4-6 months of age), so that could be what you are smelling? Poops can also get pretty smelly when buns hit puberty. You can see a video about them here: https://rabbit.org/how-to-clean-a-rabbits-scent-glands/

                            Adding a fluffy layer of hay over the newspaper will create more of a barrier between him and his waste, so that should help keep him cleaner as well.

                            Here’s some more info on sludge: http://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Bladder_sludge_and_stones

                            There is a picture of “thin” sludge that looks similar to your pictures. Some of the main recommendations are to increase water drinking and exercise, which helps suspend the calcium in the bladder and flush it out.

                            I’m interested to see if a few days with no parsley, kale, or broccoli make a difference!

                            . . . The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.  


                            • ABM_ABOLFAZL
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                                thx a lot yeah i will not feed him those for few days and see if it gets better


                              • ABM_ABOLFAZL
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                                  hmmm sry can i ask you somth ? today when i was cleaning my rabbit scent glans there was like bump on end of each side and dont know if thats a bad sign?

                                   


                              • LBJ10
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                                  A bump under the skin, “above” his genitals? Yeah, those would be his testicles.

                                  I’m looking at the photo and it does look very dramatic on the newspaper. It looks thin though. I agree with Dana’s advice. Cut back on the calcium and increase water intake. See what happens.


                                  • ABM_ABOLFAZL
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                                      its not near his genitals its like at end of his scent glans and i think its above

                                       


                                  • LBJ10
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                                      If there are hard marble-like bumps on either side, then that probably means his scent glands are clogged. That stuff can become very hard and is difficult to get out. Sometimes people have to use a water-based lubricant on a cotton swab to ease it out.

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