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› Forum › HOUSE RABBIT Q & A › Eating her liquid cecotropes of the floor? ♥ (I’m worried) ♥
Okay, so for a while now I’ve been seeing these brown smudges on the floor of Binkie’s pen whenever I’ve went to clean her litterbox. I’ve thought nothing of it until today, when I saw her start eating her cecotropes and then eat them off the floor, afterwards – leaving a brown smudge in the corner of her exercise pen. Her cecotropes were liquid. Is she sick? I’m worried – should I just take her to the vet?
Any suggestions are appreciated ♥
Has anyone happened to have dealt with this before?
It sounds like cecal dysbiosis and it can be serious if it isn’t treated. Can you give us a breakdown of her diet including any treats? This is usually diet related but can have other underlying causes as well.
I would suggest taking her for a checkup with the vet and also eliminating all treats including fruits and veggies. If she is a good hay eater then try an all hay diet for a week or two and see if it helps. If she isn’t a good hay eater then this is most likely why this is happening and you’ll need to work with her to get her eating a diet that is mostly grass hay (no alfalfa). If it does clear up, start reintroducing greens slowly and watch for signs of liquid or malformed cecos so you can eliminate any foods she’s sensitive to. The vet can also check for other underlying causes.
Always remember that sugars should be an extremely small part of any rabbit’s diet, and some rabbits are very sensitive and can’t have any sugars at all. Apparently even carrots are too high in sugar for some rabbits.
I am dealing with a bun with some mushy cecos too and I was just reading up on this yesterday. The most important thing if it is diet related is to increase the indigestible fiber in her diet. Otherwise it can lead to stasis, and it will be hard to keep her clean which can cause other health problems.
OMG – @pinkiemarie, thank you so much. Her diet consists of unlimited orchard grass hay, veggies, pellets, and 1 or 2 treats per day. I’ve only recently started introducing veggies back into her diet (she got sick a while back and was extremely underweight so I stopped feeding her them), and I noticed she had mushy/liquid cecotropes way before I started feeding veggies to her, so I don’t think that’s what’s causing it. She’s a good hay eater too. I don’t give her too much treats only 1 or 2 per day, so I don’t know what’s happening. I’ll try cutting off treats, veggies and pellets and do an all hay diet for a week or so like you suggested. If this still doesn’t work then I’ll have to take her to the vet. I’m going to look this up and read more about it.
Thanks so much for your help ♥
If she had been sick recently I would suggest getting her to the vet asap to confirm whether it’s actually diet related or not!
She wasn’t sick recently actually (she got loads of mites about a year ago, so it was a while back). It was really scary as I nearly lost her. She’s had a few tummy troubles since then, (gas) but she’s never had stasis. The thing is, we aren’t in the UK or US and as far as I know, we don’t have any rabbit-savvy vets that can deal with health issues. They’ve offered to do an x-ray before, and the vet who treated her for mites was experienced, but he was just an exotic vet and didn’t know how to properly handle buns the right way. It’s stressful.
I would also add that the types of veggies may be an issue. If your bun is having digestive issues then I’d dial back the variety in her diet. I like to stick to something like Romaine that’s got water in it and is easily digestible. I may even run them under water to make sure your bun is getting enough. This will also help you evaluate whether the issue is diet based or not.
I’m not sure if you said this, but is she pooping ok? its one thing to have a poopy butt from overproduction of cecotropes, but an another to have actual diarrhea — like mucus or liquid. I’ve not encountered actual diarrhea before, but I believe that requires an immediate vet trip.
Ok that’s unfortunate that you don’t have access to vets and that means it’s on you! More than likely it’s diet and you can eliminate and then slowly reintroduce foods to see what the problems are. littlelionman is correct that actual diarrhea needs immediately veterinary care but if she was eating it then I’m sure it was wet cecotropes. They can be easily confused for diarrhea, it really can look just like what you would expect diarrhea to look like.
You’ve got this! You know what to look for now and what to do, I’m sure you’ll get it under control!
@LittleLionMan – Yes, she’s pooping okay. No diarrhea, mucus or anything just liquid cecotropes – I’m 100% sure. I’ll attach some pictures of her litterbox.
@pinkiemarie – Thanks so much for the motivation! ♥ I’ve cut out her treats and veggies for now, and I’m going to see how it goes. I feel so guilty for taking away her treats and stuff, but I just really want the best for her. How’s your bun doing with his/her mushy cecos?
Normal pooping and eating is good! I know it’s always hard taking away treats and the variety in their diet. My bunny has a bit of a sensitive tummy and has had bouts of gas and excess cecos/poopy but. We stick to romaine now because it’s just best for him, but he’s a treat fiend! Very hard to say now to our precious babies, especially when they beg!
hopefully your digestive issues will clear up, but it sounds like you’re vigilant and on top of it. Just keep doing what you’re doing, and watch for changes in eating, drinking, and pooping habits (which it sounds like you are). Also, if she does have a poopy butt I would try and clean it up if you can. Keep us posted!
After you get this under control hopefully you’ll find treats that work for her without making her sick! My Wally still has issues but I only changed his diet Fri so he’ll be more time. I actually have him in a bonding pen so I’m allowing some romaine so the other 2 rabbits don’t have to suffer too much with him, but I’ll have to take that away for a while if he doesn’t start showing improvement. I had given them a slice of banana 2 days last week then this started so I’m guessing that he probably can’t even have the tiniest bit of banana ever again 🙁
@LittleLionMan – Here’s her litterbox. Her pellets are normally that color ♥
@LittleLionMan – Yes, I’m monitoring her closely! It definitely is hard taking our babies’ treats away. They’re way too cute to resist. By the way, she doesn’t have a poopy booty – she cleans herself regularly so I don’t have to interfere. Once in a while I’ll have to use a baby wipe, but not often. I’ll definitely keep you guys posted – keep me posted on your buns too! ♥
Update: We’re on day 2 of an all-hay diet, and things are not looking good. This morning the floor of Binkie’s pen was all covered with cecotrope smudges again, and worse than before. I’ve had to remove her stuffies and blankets to wash them since they were all dirty. She’s not totally irresponsive, but she’s been sitting in the corner of her pen – and not really moving much. She isn’t drinking water properly – just grooming the outside of the bowl, but I’m going to keep monitoring her. I also had to clean her paws and her booty. I’m scared she’s in pain. I don’t know what else would cause her to act like this. Could she be pouting because I’ve taken away her veggies and treats? I really don’t know what to do. Has anyone else’s bun acted like this? Any advice is appreciated ♥
@pinkiemarie – Oh Wally, poor baby. That post actually scared me because Binkie’s favorite treat is banana. She goes absolutely nuts for it! I allow her to have a small piece of it almost everyday, and I wonder if that’s what’s been causing issues. It’s sad.
It can take up to 2 weeks to see improvement but what you’re describing doesn’t sound good. You mentioned not drinking but is she eating? If not give her a small amount of pellets and if she is willing to eat those and not hay then you’ll need to wean her off the pellets slowly. I would also suggest getting baby simethicone/gas drops and critical care to have on hand in case she gets worse.
@pinkiemarie – I haven’t seen her eating hay today, but I’m going to keep on monitoring. She likes to eat hay at night. I’m going to give her some pellets later on as you suggested, and see if I can wean her off. She absolutely loves pellets, so I have a feeling it’s not going to be easy. I’ve never actually had to use simethicone, but I’m going to have to try and look around for some ASAP ♥
With the simethicone just look for the baby kind. Any pharmacy should have some! One of my rabbits also doesn’t eat much during the day then eats her weight in hay overnight so it definitely can make it hard to figure out what’s going on!
I’m just catching up on this, with the recent developments I would try to get her into a vet if possible. Are you still seeing normal poops as well?
Cecal dysbiosis often causes regular poops to get mixed up with cecals, so you usually don’t see normal poops mixed in. There are also parasites that can cause diarrhea and poop problems (like coccidea). How is her weight? Does she seem dehydrated?
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Yes, all her poops are normal – as seen in the photos above. Her weight is normal too, but she hasn’t drank much water today, and her water bowl is still full. A lot of the time she spills her bowl, so I never really know if she drinks it all. I’m not sure if I should just get her into the vet (non rabbit-savvy) or if I should wait 1 or 2 weeks until I start to see improvement. It’s actually not the first time she’s had this problem – she’s been on and off for as long as I can remember. At first I thought it was normal, but it’s started to get much worse now, so that’s why I’ve been so worried.
If you can’t confirm that she’s eating then she should go to a vet asap… Even a non-rabbit vet can at least prescribe stasis medication like cisapride and metacam for you to administer if she isn’t eating! Then you can have them check for parasites as well as long as she’s there.
OMG – parasites?? Okay, I think I’m going to try and bring her in tomorrow. I really don’t want this to get scarier and worse than it is, and I’m already worried for her. I’ll let everyone know how the appointment goes ♥
Don’t freak out in the meantime, it’s probably fine! But with the concerns about her eating it’s better safe than sorry!
I definitely agree @pinkiemarie. Better safe than sorry! Sending lots of good vibes your way @Cinnamon Bun!! Get well soon Binkie <3
Aaw, thank you so much for the good vibes, wishes and reassurance, you guys. We didn’t get to see the vet yesterday but we managed to book an appointment for today. She was good as gold the whole time we were waiting. Seriously – she just sat in her carrier and waited patiently, munching on hay and cleaning her paws. It was so cute to watch. Her vet appointment is in a few hours, so I’ll make sure to update ♥
How is she?
Update: Binkie went in for her vet appointment and they checked for parasites. They took a fecal sample and it was negative. They also did a regular health check just to make sure everything was okay. Other than mushy cecotropes everything looks healthy. It turns out that it was diet related, and the vet said that changing her food would cause her to have liquid cecotropes.
I don’t understand, because she started having problems before I cut out her treats and veggies, and her poops are all normal. I’m guessing maybe she just has a sensitive stomach. Or, it could still be a problem veggie or treat that she isn’t agreeing with.
The vet gave me an anti-diarrheaol antibiotic for her (forgot the name), and told me to use it for three days, but I’m confused. Why am I supposed to give her an anti-diarrheaol antibiotic if she doesn’t have diarrhea?
I think it’s great that they ruled out parasites and I assume the vet listened to her stomach and she had the appreciate gurgles so that’s all great! I’m also a bit confused about the medication. What is it called? Hopefully one of the members with more medication experience can weigh in on that. My rabbit is making beautiful cecotropes now and depending on people’s thoughts on the medication I might suggest continuing the dietary change for a few more days. My concern there though is that you couldn’t tell for sure if she was eating enough hay. If she isn’t eating enough hay then she’ll definitely need some additional nutrition but no treats or fruit!
Yes, she’s eating plenty of hay! She ate some at the vet while we were waiting. She’s been on the hay diet for about 4-5 days now, and I think I’m seeing lesser liquid cecotropes. The vet did listen to her stomach, and said he felt a few gas bubbles, but she’s acting and eating okay. They checked her eyes, ears, nose and weighed her. The medication is called Pharma Spectinomycin, and I’ve used it twice on my buns before for multiple reasons. I’ve been told to dilute it in her water, if the condition of her cecotropes doesn’t improve. I was impressed with how much knowledge the vet had – he seemed to know what was going on and how to deal with it. He seemed quite rabbit-savvy, except for his knowledge on rabbit diets. His assistant handled Binkie wonderfully, unlike some other vets we’ve visited before. I’m so relieved your baby Wally is back to normal! ♥
So great to hear of the improvement in both your bunny and the vet’s knowledge. It sounds like you’re very knowledgeable yourself, which is always helpful. As you noted, just keep an eye on her. Eating, drinking, normal pooping, and normal activity are always a good sign. Good job, bunny parent!
@LittleLionMan – We actually visited a different vet this time, and I think we’re going to use him more often! I’m so relieved her health is perfect. I’ve been through so much with her throughout her life – she’s a fighter ♥
This is kind of a random question, but whenever I’ve bought her to multiple vets for different health issues, they’ve always prescribed spectinomycin. For abscesses, gassy stomachs, not eating etc. Does anyone know why? I’m not planning to use the medication yet until I learn some more info about it. Plus, I’ve realized that although Binkie’s eating hay normally, she doesn’t seem to be drinking too much. Her mouth is wet, so I know she’s been drinking some water, but her bowl is still full. I’m probably going to have to syringe feed her some fluids. I also just felt her tummy and I can feel gas bubbles. I offered her a couple of pellets and she ate them without hesitation, so I know she’s eating. Is this something that I should be worried about?
Update: I woke up this morning and the water bowl was empty! Phew. So relieved she’s drinking water ♥
Awesome I’m glad she drank it! I’m also really glad you found a more knowledgeable vet. It can be really hard to find people qualified to treat rabbits. Idk about where you are but I feel like in the US veterinary schools may be teaching a lot more on the subject. We have a clinic in town where the rabbit specialist used to work and they always have young vets straight out of School and they all seem pretty knowledgeable about rabbits, even now that the specialist is at a different clinic. I prefer to see her but in n emergency with no specialist it does seem like younger doctors may actually be the best option where I live.
@pinkiemarie – That’s awesome about the younger vets! We live in the middle east, so it’s really hard to find qualified vets that treat bunnies. I’m actually currently studying to become a rabbit-savvy vet, and I’m really serious about it. I can’t wait to save buns’ lives ♥
Update: OMG, I’m so seeing a difference with this hay diet. There are absolutely no cecotrope smudges anywhere in sight. I don’t know what her actual cecotropes look like, but it’s definitely clearing up. Her tummy has been so gassy recently, though – I made her some green tea to help soothe it last night, but I can still feel gas bubbles. She’s eating loads of hay and drinking water, so I’m not that concerned, but I just wanted to note that down. I don’t know what could be causing it.
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