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    • BoandBuns
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        Hi everyone, I am new to this group and I am glad I found it! Does anyone have experience with their bunny having weak back legs? My Giant Flemish, Bo, can hop but he has atrophy in his back legs, has lost weight because he’s not eating as much, and now also won’t jump into his litter box. I had taken him to the vet 5 months ago because I noticed the weight loss and what I thought was lethargy first. The vet gave him fluids and some Critical Care and I didn’t worry too much about it until now we are this bad state with him. My vet thinks this is out of her realm and I have to wait over 2 weeks to get him in with another vet that treats rabbits. He is clearly in pain, grinding his teeth. This has been a slow progression of symptoms. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them! Thanks!


      • Hazel
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          I’m sorry your bun is dealing with this. 🙁

          How old is he? If he’s neutered, how old was he at the time of surgery?

          Maybe your vet could prescribe pain meds until he can be seen by the new vet?


        • Bam
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            I had a dog who developped marked hind end weakness at 9 years of age. A CT scan showed changes to the lumbar and sacral vertebrae and discs. She was put on daily NSAID (non-steroidal antiinflammatory meds) and gabapentin against pain. Rabbits can have the same types of meds, metacam (meloxicam) and gabapentin. (Corticosteroids should be avoided with rabbits). The antiinflammatory meds help keep down the inflammation that is a driving force in the development of spondylosis (bony changes to the vertebrae). Sometimes that is enough to give the animal a good quality of life. The medication will have to be life long, but you start with a higher dose, then taper down until you find the smallest effective dose.

            You should adapt the bun area to you bun’s difficulties, f ex by cutting out “door holes” in the litter boxes.  There are some tips that could be useful on the website Disabled rabbits, although they mainly address really grave disabilities: http://www.disabledrabbits.com/

            Finally I just want to mention that the first thing that comes to mind when a bun has hind end weakness is the intracellular parasite e cuniculi. Its a parasite that many rabbits carry all their lives without any symptoms. It typically attacks nervous tissue or the kidneys. It sounds to me like your bun is having a true joint problem, but ec is a differential diagnosis to keep in mind.

            The most important thing right now I’d say is to get your bun some pain relief. Your present vet could perhaps prescribe some meloxicam to tie him over until you can get to a specialised vet? Rabbits are sensitive to pain and pain relief could maybe get him to eat more.

             


            • BoandBuns
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                He is 2 and a half years old. He was neutered whenever he was supposed to be. I can’t remember exactly how old he was.


              • BoandBuns
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                  Sorry I am still figuring out how this page works and replied in the wrong one! Thanks so much for your input. I am going to check out that site on disabilities. I don’t mind putting him in the litter box every few hours but it’s frustrating when I check on him and he has gone on the floor in between. I have cut out the side of the litter box and also tried just tipping a cardboard box on its side with litter in it so all he has to do is back up to it and he still goes out of his way to pee on the floor.
                  The vet said with EC they typically walk their back feet instead of hop; and since he is hopping with them it’s probably not that. But maybe others on here have had a different experience and that would be useful to know too.


                • BoandBuns
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                    I just feel so bad  for him with his teeth grinding. I did call the vet twice to see if they could prescribe some pain meds in the meantime but still waiting for a return call from a doctor.


                • Wick & Fable
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                    I would say if it’s progressing and in pain, explicitly inquire about emergency appointment slots. Some exotic practices do have that category and it can get you in faster. Stating that your pet is currently in pain and you have no way to manage the pain can express the need further.

                    Hind leg weakness is a symptom of EC, so treating for that might be a worthwhile effort.

                    For now, making navigation to the things he needs as easy as possible is important.

                    The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


                  • LBJ10
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                      I agree, from your description it sounds like a joint problem. It could be the lower back like Bam suggested. Large breeds are more prone to arthritis and other joint problems as they age. EC is a differential diagnosis for hind leg weakness, although the weakness isn’t normally accompanied by pain.


                      • BoandBuns
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                          The vet said that EC usually causes them to walk the legs instead of hop and he is hopping with them. Have you ever known that to be true?


                        • LBJ10
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                            An atypical gait can be a sign of EC, but I wouldn’t say all rabbits suffering from hind limb weakness do not hop. EC is a confusing ailment and it can manifest in many different ways. Symptoms can include head tilt, seizures, hind limb weakness, incontinence, and uveitis or cataracts. There have been bunnies on here that suffered from a bunch of different symptoms and there are bunnies on here that only had one symptom.


                          • BoandBuns
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                              Thanks for the input everyone!


                            • BoandBuns
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                                Wow that is interesting about EC. He has had a little bit of a head tilt and also his right ear falls to the right quite frequently. And I have noticed his eyes look a little “glazed” for lack of a better word. I will definitely talk to the new vet about these things. Thanks for bringing those possibilities to my attention.


                            • Hazel
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                                Rabbits ideally shouldn’t be fixed until they’re fully grown to allow the skeleton to develop properly. This is especially important for giant breeds like Flemmies because of their weight, they don’t stop growing until they’re 9-12 months old. Early neutering can cause developmental abnormalities which can in turn cause issues like hip dysplasia, early onset arthritis, stress breaks and so on. That’s why I wondered how old he was at the time.

                                As the others have said, EC is a good possibility for sure. Treating him for that won’t cause him any harm, you can have him tested for it but unfortunately those tests aren’t very reliable.


                                • BoandBuns
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                                    He might have been neutered a little too early. I know he was several months old but I don’t think he was 9-12 months old. He was probably close to being full grown.


                                • Bam
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                                    EC is treated with a dewormer (fenbendazole: brand name, among others, Panacur) for 4 weeks, plus metacam against inflammation and sometimes Baytril (broad spectrum antibiotic). The treatment would not interfere with treatment for a joint or back problem related to bone or cartilage. There are tests, but as Hazel says, they can produce false negatives, so they’re not entirely trustworthy. For this reason, many vets treat on clinical signs. It is possible to do so, because the treatment has few risks.

                                    Neither buns nor dogs absolutely have to be very old to develop problems with their joints. Most can live a good life with he help of meds and some simpler lifestyle changes. My dog, that I mentioned before, presented with inability to stand up. It was dramatic, but with anti inflammatory meds she regained pretty much full function of her hind legs and she was given more than 2 years of high quality dog life with lots of long hikes in nature =)


                                    • BoandBuns
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                                        Thanks so much for that information. I am working hard at getting him to eat more to get his strength back. He has lost at least 3 pounds since we first started noticing weight loss in October. I have started giving him ClinicalCare, which is what the vet said in November. At that point he wasn’t showing any weakness yet, but now I realize he probably wasn’t eating enough because it was too much effort to get to his food. He seems a little more energetic with better nutrition and I am hoping he will get his strength back in his hind legs with time.

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