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› Forum › DIET & CARE › Bunbun’s personality changed after humping a toy for the first time.
Hi everyone! First time posting but I just signed up after lurking since last year. I will try hard to be brief with this.
Bunbun is almost 1 y/o. Neutered 5 months ago. During puberty, he never humped anything at all. Suddenly, about a two weeks ago, he humped a stuffed animal for the first time and really went to town.
He ended up getting rugburn on his bits and was having painful urination, but the pain and redness were gone by the next morning and he was urinating normally again. He did seem to be a bit depressed for the next few days, but I got him new toys and changed up his surroundings a bit and he loved it and was binkying and zooming a lot.
He’s more snuggly and loving now (always loved getting pets, but he licked me for the first time ever and slept in the crook of my neck for the first time ever too), and also way calmer and likes to sleep/lounge around even more than he used. He’s always been lazy but it’s like he’s even lazier I guess, lol. But not lethargic.
The primary change has been in his enthusiasm towards food. He still eats (unlimited hay, some greens, and ~1/4 cup of pellets split into morning and evening), but it takes him a while to get interested in it, whereas he used to be all about his food. He seemed like he was in a state of euphoria as he ate. Now he seems like he’d rather cuddle or play rather than eat, but he does eventually eat it. Even his digestive treats that he used to snatch out of my hand sometimes go ignored for a while. And sometimes he still snatches them. Sometimes he bounces off the walls for his pellets and other times he doesn’t eat them until around 20-30 minutes later.
He seems perfectly healthy. Teeth are fine, there are no bumps along the mouth or jaw, front teeth look great. Mouth is no wetter than normal. He still eats, drinks, pees, poops, zoomies, binkies, and snuggles. He just seems calmer and less in love with food, and I’m wondering if this is normal or not.
I’m dealing with a lot personal anxiety and stress and was majorly stressed when he was having painful urination, so I’m wondering if this kind of change is normal and I’m just projecting my anxiety onto him because I love him so much and was so scared over his injury.
I’d take him to the vet for peace of mind, but it’s a lot of money to throw down when he’s otherwise healthy and normal.
It is always an observandum when a rabbit becomes less interested in food. Something is going on, but the question is of course what.
I’m thinking the humping could’ve been about relieving pain/discomfort or distracting himself from pain/discomfort. Another possibility is of course the seasonal change, with regards to the rapid change in amount of daylight, which is very marked this time of year. Mostly in the Northern hemisphere where spring its on the way, but its not rare to see sth similar around the autumn equinox too.
The cause could be many things, for example a molar spur problem that makes it painful for him to eat certain foods. You can’t see the molars without an otoscope, so you need a vet or an experienced vet tech to check his teeth. As a rule, you need a good rabbit vet for more subtle rabbit health issues. A cat- and dog vet that just takes a look the incisors and listens to the heart and lungs etc will probably not be able to say what’s wrong. Blood work is a great diagnostic tool for rabbits, but its not always offered by non-rabbit vets.
How does his poop look? Have you weighed him? It’s very good to weigh your rabbit and keep a weight diary, because changes in weight are very difficult to see unless they become dramatic. I weigh my bun in a bowl on digital kitchen scales. (Place the scales on the floor in case the rabbit decides to jump out of the bowl).
BinkyBunny’s bun Jack got obsessed with mounting when he had a bladder stone, so it could be that he’s having a urinary issue. Combined with the reduced appetite, I would have him checked out by the vet.
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Bam – Thanks for responding! I was actually wondering about the change to spring being a possibility as well.
His poop is just fine. No different than normal. I haven’t weighed up but can start. I’m used to that from when I had rats.
Is it still concerning even though he does eat all of his food, just not at first?
DanaNM – Thank you for responding as well! He was only interested the one time and hasn’t attempted to mount anything since but I did remove the toy just in case. Does it count as reduced appetite if he still eats all of his food and goes back and forth between going bonkers for it and leaving it for a while?
I would consider less enthusiasm for food a lack of appetite. Not a complete lack of appetite, of course. But something seems to be going on. I agree with having him checked out. The humping may have been him trying to relieve pain or discomfort, especially if he was doing it to the point of giving himself rug burn.
LBJ10 – Thank you for your input. The anxiety is killing me, so I’m taking some urine in to best tested in the morning. If that brings up nothing, I’ll be taking him in for a full exam. I’m terrified that it’s bladder stones that will require a ridiculously expensive surgery, but I just want him to feel good, so I’ll do what must be done.
If the urine test shows nothing, what should my next steps be? I plan to request a blood panel and a check up on his teeth, but should I also request an ultrasound/check for stones at the same time, or try to rule out issues from the blood panel or teeth first?
When I suspected my Bun Jovi might have some bladder issues (because he was also mounting excessively and marking a lot), my vet did a urinalysis and x-ray. Your vet may decide to do a full body x-ray, so they could check teeth as well as bladder. All came back clear for Bun Jovi so we decided it was hormonal, so that may prob be the case for you as well.
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Yes, an x-ray would be the only way to really see if there is a problem in the bladder. Sometimes a large stone can be felt, but smaller stones or sludge are not easily felt.
Thank you all! I decided against taking his urine in and he’s got a full appointment this morning instead. Will update!
We will be very happy for updates! Many vet visit (((((vibes)))))!
Thank you <3
So apparently Bunbun has some irritation/inflammation in his urethra, and some bruising on the tip of his penis. The uranalysis was good, and no stones were felt. They vet said he didn’t think an xray was currently necessary unless the antibiotic doesn’t work, as he’s usually able to feel stones and felt none at all. I’m unsure if the damage was done before or after the humping incident, though I’m inclined to believe before. I’m not sure HOW it happened, but oh well. The vet also said his urine was cloudy. His ears and teeth were good but only the front teeth were checked for now.
The main issue now is that he’s monstrously stressed. Immediately after the vet appt I let him run around on my bed and he wouldn’t sit still. He was nervous and flighty and kept going from one spot to another, looking everywhere and unable to settle even on my chest, which he loves usually. He even wagged his tail at me for the first time, which was hilarious.
He did eat some banana. I had to go to bed (I’m a night owl and sleep during the day) so placed him in his cage to unwind. When I woke up 6 hours later, he hadn’t pooped or peed and probably barely ate or drank.
As soon as I let him out of his cage he peed, but it was on the floor so I can’t determine how much. This was also before his first dose of antibiotic. I gave him simethicone and some critical care (about 1ml voluntary and 1ml slowly forced), and he eventually did poop normal sized poops. I then gave him the Baytril he was prescribed and left him alone while I went to cook.
I think he ate more critical care while I was cooking and I’ve seen him eat some hay and a few pellets (not a lot of either so far). I just checked while typing this since he hopped out of his litterbox and he pooped another moderate pile of poops while he was eating some hay. He’s a little more active right now, not sitting in his “poor pitiful me” corner, but he’s also clearly not feeling 100% still, which is to be expected.
I am a little concerned because he’s only on Baytril 2x a day for 7 days, and was just reading on this forum yesterday that 10 days is better? And also that Baytril can ruin appetites. But Bunbun’s seems to be slowly coming around and I’ll be able to judge better when I hang out with him on my bed in a bit. Hopefully he’ll eat his greens tonight too.
I’ve heard that about Baytril, but that has not been my experience. Different bunnies react differently. I’m sure his behavior right now is just him being stressed from the vet. If the Baytril seems to work, you can ask the vet about extending it past the 7 days.
Okay, that sounds good to me. He is definitely still showing signs of stress, but he’s slowly picking up more interest in food and I’m supplementing him with the forced critical care. He even turned down fruit earlier, so he must be feeling crummy for sure.
Thank you again for all of your help! This has been so scary. Bunbun means the world to me.
Sorry for double posting, but I have a new question.
He started Baytril on 3/15. He got one dose that day due to timing. So by now he’s had 9 doses with another coming in 2 hours.
Prior to his vet visit, he took to randomly thumping every now and then while in his cage. This was totally new to him so I’m assuming it was due to the pain. Then tonight I was preparing my bed to let him come play and took a break to read some Reddit posts to my mom. While I was reading, he kept thumping – 5 times in a row, a few seconds a part. Then a few more more spaced out. He never randomly thumped like this until these issues started, and no noises happened, but he also only thumped when I talked. He almost seems irritated by hearing me talk so much when I read aloud, but I don’t know if it’s that or pain.
Also, since his vet visit and until yesterday, he was not urinating in his litter box, but would on puppy pads or even the floor along the cages. He was peeing through the bars of his cage onto the floor. I managed to get him back to using the litter box though by deep cleaning, and then waiting until he peed on the floor, putting the wood pellets in the pee, then putting them in his litter box and cleaning the new spot up.
He’s doing better about eating pellets but still puts off eating the majority of his greens even though they’re nice and fresh. He finishes them in his cage later.
He’s still peeing semi-frequently but I do think it’s better overall. He’ll pee a big amount and then 20-30 minutes later pee a much smaller spot, at least 1/3 the size of the initial pee but not just a small spot. His urine is definitely lighter (totally light yellow on the second pee) but not by a ton.
He’s also lost all interest in cuddling but does still enjoy playing. He could just be mad at me from the constant stress of medicine and the vet appointment though.
Could these be attributed to him still being in pain? Does that mean the Baytril isn’t working? Is it normal for the Baytril to take this long? Should I go ahead and call the vet to ask for more Baytril or does this seem like the Baytril won’t work at all?
Also if it matters, I haven’t been giving him any Bene-bac. The vet didn’t think it was necessary if he was still eating.
Another update:
Bunbun has been much more himself today! Last night after I posted he ran straight to his greens and ate them, but still seemed to feel crummy off and on. Tonight he avoided his greens for ~10 minutes, then ate them all up. He was also much more snuggly and didn’t seem to be as miserable as he’s been. He’s not spending as much time in his ‘pitiful me’ corner and seems much happier overall.
I’m not sure whether to ask for the extra doses of Baytril now. He’s getting his last dose in a few hours. The vet did say it would take 5-6 days before improvements.
Bunbun still seems to be peeing a little too frequently. Again it was one big spot then two smaller spots later on. It’s definitely lighter but still not as light as my other bunny’s.
It sounds very good! With things like a UTI, its often difficult to see when the abx take effect – it can be efficacious in killing the bacteria just as it should, but there can still be some lingering irritation, which just needs time to heal. (Much like when we can cough for a long time after a chest cold, even though the causative virus or bacteria have been eradicated.)
You should discuss further treatment with the vet. With this much improvement, they may not see cause to prolong the antibiotics.
Antibiotics can color the urine, which isnt a sign of any adverse effect. It can even make the urine orange or red.
Probiotics are optional. They can be useful if the bun gets abnormal poop or a gas problem, but there’s no guarantee they’ll help. They might help, but they will not harm (any surplus just gets pooped out), which is why they’re safe to use.
Fingers crossed for continued improvement!
In my experience with both my rabbits, baytril made their urine orange over time!
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Thank you both for responding! I feel so much better now that he’s doing better. Will call the vet and see what he recommends then.
Wick – It would be great if it’s the Baytril that’s making his pee still slightly dark!
Last night and today he seems so much more like his normal self. I’m over the moon with his recovery.
Thanks for the update! I’m so glad he has improved since getting the antibiotic. 🙂
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