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Forum BEHAVIOR litter issue, 1 bunny ruining the other’s good habits

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    • Anastasia
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        I have 3 bunnies – 1 established 5mo old, neutered male and 2 new almost 9 week old females. I got the 2 females after the death of my established boy’s sister who didn’t survive her spay surgery. He was lonely and sad so we adopted 2 sisters for him from the same place I got him and his sister.

        My original 2 were great with litter training. I put their box in a corner and they used it. No accidents EVER. The 2 new ones were introduced almost 2 weeks ago and 1 of them is just like my original buns, using the box, no accidents right away. the other new bunny is not the same. she pees all over the place. In the box, right outside the box, random spots on the floor, all over the cage and it started to make the 2 trained bunnies mess in the spots she has messed. they smell her pee and think oh wow, we can go here? Nice! So I have had  to separate her from her birth sister and my boy because she’s ruining their excellent litter habits.

        I have her sectioned off in their cage in her own area with her own box. It’s large enough for her box, food/water and for her to lay down. Nothing soft or absorbent, there’s hay in the box. Still, she will pee in there, but also in front or a few inches away. Her first few days were great, but then it started to happen a lot and once I noticed my others beginning to do it, I took action immediately because I keep them free range. The cage is really just a spot for their food and litter and if they want, they can go in and hang out which they do sometimes. I can tell she misses playing with her buddies but I cannot have 3 rabbits destroying my house when 2 of them are nearly perfect because of the actions of one.

        Has anyone encountered this? For me, it’s not really a matter of adding more boxes, she’s in a very small space for training and she’s still peeing everywhere in there. She will also lie down in a puddle of her pee. She doesn’t seem to care. Also, I worry that adding a bunch more boxes will confuse and destroy the excellent habits of my other 2 since they have no problem at all playing free range and hopping back in to use their box.

        This one pees in the box, near the box, on the box, at her food and water, in the middle of her area not in a corner or near a wall at all.. It has not improved so unfortunately she does not get to enjoy the freedom the others do. That said, she’s approaching 9 weeks of age but this wasn’t an issue with my other 3. I feel super guilty for not letting her be with her friends but until she learns, she can’t have the same freedom.


      • DanaNM
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          Please don’t blame the bunny, as it is completely normal for rabbits to lose litter habits when they start to hit puberty, as well as when they are around rabbits that they aren’t bonded to. You have both of those things happening, so it’s pretty expected in my mind. (I also have the utmost empathy, as I am currently getting ready to attempt to bond a quad and it’s been pee and poop wars for weeks now… I had three buns with great box habits and then the forth bun threw a wrench in the whole situation!) The good news is that once they are bonded and hormones have settled everything should get better.

          Also, as an aside, babies cannot truly bond, so it’s possible that fights could start occurring around 12 weeks. Especially with a male in the mix (even though he’s neutered), once the girls hormones start coming in things can start getting heated. I would personally plan to keep them separated until the girls are spayed and you can bond them.

          In the mean time, I’ve been using a big sheet of vinyl flooring from the hardware store to protect the floor. Puppy pee pads can be really helpful as well so they aren’t just sitting in pee.

          There is also a chance that there could be a medical cause for the girl peeing all over (but I think it’s less likely). Does it seem like she is dribbling urine, or is it large volumes? Dribbling small amounts can indicate a UTI.

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        • Wick & Fable
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            I agree that this is less so one rabbit ruining others’ habits, and actually just rabbits approaching puberty and being around other rabbits, thus litter box habits sort of fly out the window. Rabbits mark territory to feel secure, and as they grow older/encounter other rabbits, the instinctual drive to mark follows.

            As Dana mentioned, baby rabbits do not truly bond. It can be easier to bond them since they have a history of a good relationship, but a proper bond needs to be established, which baby rabbits do not by default have just by being siblings/being raised together. Rabbits will just as easily try to attack and mate with their parents/siblings. It sounds like perhaps you were lucky in that the original brother and sister you had formed a proper bond, but that may not be the case for the two sisters you newly adopted. For both safety and to guard against pregnancy (in case one of the sisters is mistakenly sexed), I also recommend separating all of them until they have all been spayed/neutered. In the meanwhile, yes, your neutered male may start displaying hormonal behaviors, like marking, even though he is neutered. Is this caused by the other female rabbits? Yes. But it is in reaction to them being there, not because their habits are rubbing off on him.

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            • Anastasia
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                To clarify, the 3 I have, 2 being female litter mates (100% absolutely confirmed female) all get along gorgeously. They follow each other, play, run, groom, share food and all flop out all over the place happy as clams. Zero aggression from anyone, just love and adoration from all parties. My boy is not doing anything naughty, nor is 1 of the new little girls.

                My boy, almost 5 months and his now sadly dead sister litter trained immediately and without incident. After her passing, he became very depressed, so adopted 2 cute little females. Monroe immediately took to her litterbox and was a done deal right away. It is Wednesday who is going pee everywhere. Not infection pee, there is nothing the matter with her health, just that instead of going in the box, she’ll go over here or over there, where ever those places may be. She goes in the box, yes absolutely but all over everything else, too.

                When she goes pee some place that is not the box, naturally the others smell it and think woooooo we can go here, too, yipeee. Why go to our box over there when we can all go right here. Sweet!   I clean up the pee and use Nature’s Miracle for small animals and bunnies and that solves the problem of Beastly and Monroe from going in those spots again and their excellent litter habits resume.

                Wednesday, however just doesn’t seem to get it. When Beastly and his sister were going through puberty, they left lots of buttons places, but no pee. She did not survive her spay but Beastly did great after his neuter and continues to be completely litter trained aside from a button or two here or there. I don’t care about that.

                The 2 new girls are approaching 9 weeks of age. No issues at all from Monroe. I have separated Wednesday because her peeing all over the place is without question causing my other 2 to do it as well. She’s the one who needs work so she is getting additional training. When she’s not out peeing all over my house, the others don’t do it, they use their box like good little boys and girls. However, even in her own smaller space with her litter box, and just enough room to lie down outside the box, with no absorbent materials to encourage mess making, she continues to pee all over her section, including inside the box.

                Was looking to see if anyone else has encountered this and how they rectified the situation when 1 bunny is causing an issue. I’m not new to rabbits, had them most of my life. I am new to adding babies to an established bunny home.  🙂


            • DanaNM
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                Thanks for the extra info, but it really doesn’t change my suggestions at all. Spaying and full bonding once everyone is castrated should solve the problem (or at least greatly improve it). Babies and teenagers can be difficult/impossible to litter train, I think you just got pretty lucky with your other bunnies. The puberty timing could be slightly different between the girls, explaining why they are different.

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              • Wick & Fable
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                  It is really great that the rabbits get along. What I think myself and Dana want to highlight is that baby rabbits easily get along with others since their hormones are not driving their behavior yet, While it’s not guaranteed things will change when hormones begin happening, the likelihood is quite high. There are many topics on this forum and other rabbit forums about “siblings fighting”, which often talk about how everyone got along so well for such a long time, but suddenly, around when we expect puberty to happen, fights begin breaking out. It is something to keep in mind, and the idea of separation is the most cautious approach, as it’s unrealistic to think you can watch them 24/7! Everyone needs to sleep, haha.

                  In terms of what you’re connecting as a cause, which is the one rabbit peeing which causes the other rabbits to react accordingly, makes sense. Rabbit social and territory dynamics are very scent-based. As such, the solution goes back to doing what you can do reduce the scent and what may be facilitating all the rabbits to mark, and re-mark spots. That is where the emphasis on spaying comes in so that both the sisters’ hormones minimize their hormonal-driven behavior and also so their hormonal presence does not influence your neutered male’s behavior.

                  From my own experience, which is having one rabbit who is wonderful with litter habits and the other who is terrible (and has been terrible since he was young; just who he is), we never really know what’s happening in a rabbit to make one influence the other. We have grown confident in hormonal-driven reasons since we see the differences between a fixed rabbit and non fixed rabbit again and again. My one rabbit has left plenty of carpet stains, but the other has never seen it as a place to re-mark or seems tempted to do so for whatever other reason.

                  The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.

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