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FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Question about URI versus Allergy symptoms

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    • whispercalm
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        I am rather confused about Charlie’s symptoms and telling whether we are dealing with an infection or allergy.

        Our vet stated that in his experience, most rabbits who have URI show  more consistent symptoms such as a more constant discharge throughout the day and sounding more congested in nose. He believed we had her infection cleared up and probably were now looking at allergies which my husband and I thought was probably correct.

        We did great for a few weeks. Her current symptoms are confusing. Since the 23rd, she is sneezing more forcefully when she does sneeze and usually brings out the thick white discharge. She can go a day with no sneezes or discharge. Then as of Christmas Day she’s been having one or two episodes a day of hard sneezing with the thick, nasty discharge. Then fine rest of day. She has done this every day now for the last 3 days and I’ve had to clean her face up as it gets all over her. I haven’t been home today, but my husband says she hasn’t sneezed or discharged.

        My question is does pastuerella or other URI infections act like this? Coming and going off and on for a few days with either symptoms and then no symptoms?

        I’ve got a vet appt scheduled for her tomorrow. If she continues symptom free today and tomorrow and I take her in he’s not going to see what she is doing. If I don’t take her in, then she starts up again…

        I’m not going to cancel her appt until the last minute. It’s just getting hard to tell when this is a more serious problem than allergies that needs vet attention or not. She has done more sneezing and discharge since right before Christmas than she’s ever done.

        I’ve also got her scheduled for a spay on the 11th… not sure if that is a good idea if she is symptomatic then.

        Thank you in advance for your patience with the Charlie posts.  I know it’s alot of the same. I’m just at a loss for what to do. I can’t run her into the vet every couple weeks forever.

         

         

         

         


      • LBJ10
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          Speaking from experience (not allergies, but tooth root problems), sneezing that is consistent means there may be an active infection. Sneezing that comes and goes… maybe, but it’s less likely. Over time, you just learn to recognize the difference between “normal” sneezing and possible URI sneezing. Of course, this is assuming that a vet has confirmed the cause of the sneezing. Since, you know, the default explanation is a URI.

          The process is, unfortunately, elimination. There isn’t much you can do to prove allergies except change things within the environment. But you could have head x-rays done to rule out tooth root problems.

          I forgot, does Charlie have a smooshed face? That dwarfism gene can squish a lot of structures within the skull, even putting kinks in “tubes” that drain the ears and eyes. This, itself, can cause chronic problems too.


        • whispercalm
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            No, her face isn’t smooshed. She does have lop ears, but not the flat face. More pointy type face. She’s almost 6 months old…wouldn’t that be a little too young for tooth root issues?

            The sneezing doesn’t worry me as much unless it’s the harsh sneezing with the thick discharge which comes and goes. Sometimes she will sneeze and I’m not concerned as it’s light and more normal. Then no sneezes at all for a day, two days, maybe three. One time she went about five days. But when she does the hard sneezes with the thick discharge for more than a day, I get concerned. We’ve just had 3 days of hard sneezes and nasty snot. Since I’ve been home from work she’s had a few, but no discharge.

             

             

             

             


          • Wick & Fable
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              Tooth root issues can come from age and poor dental habits, but it can also be from unlucky genes that tell the teeth to grow in odd ways.

              I only have experience with URI, and when I hear thick, white discharge, my mind tends to stick to that. I know in humans, allergy-related nasal discharge can be yellow, green, or clear, so it might probably be that way for rabbits too. My only thought is, if it is a URI, treatment went on long enough to get rid of the large majority of the infection, and it is now at a level that your rabbit’s immune system is better actively combatting it, leading to less symptoms. In terms of timeline, your rabbit’s system may keep it at bay with the current symptoms or eventually the infection will get worse and treatment restarted. I always like to mention that my Wick’s URI (which we also considered, well maybe it’s just an allergy, due to its stubbornness) took several months of medication changes and adherence total to treat. Wick was literally medicated daily the entire time. From this experience, I’m biased to say that treatment wasn’t long enough or the medication (combo) was not optimal.

              As LBJ10 mentions, allergy is a diagnosis of elimination, so you can see if changes in your environment relieve the ongoing symptoms you’re currently seeing.

              The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


            • whispercalm
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                Did Wick ever go a couple days or more without symptoms or minimal sneezing without discharge then start back up again with the thicker discharge and then go back to minimal symptoms? It’s like a yo-yo with her. Today she seems fine and her appt is this afternoon. I thought for sure by today she would be more than ready for the vet and it was the soonest appt I could get when I booked it last week due to Christmas. She was just worse every day. Then yesterday better and better today. By tomorrow she may turn again.

                I’m going to call and see what vet wants me to do.


                • Wick & Fable
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                    It has been over 3 years now, so I don’t quite remember, but Wick’s presentation sounds generally different than your rabbit’s. Wick was much more sneezy, rather than snotty. He had the white discharge, but it was more so his distress from waking up to sneeze all the time that bothered me. He never had severely goopy discharge or an excessive amount. From what you describe, it sounds like either a fluctuating irritant or a general battle with an infection? Does time periods where it is worse coincide with stressful events for her? Stress dampens the immune system, which can make it harder for their bodies to fight infections.

                    The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


                • LBJ10
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                    Nasal discharges can definitely vary. I would notice thick white-ish discharge, even when the vet said there was no active infection. This was tooth root issues though, not allergies. I don’t know about allergies, but as Wick said, it could be possible.

                    If it were me, I would try a prolonged antibiotic treatment again. If that doesn’t work, then you could have some x-rays done to rule out tooth roots. If genetic, problems can begin at a young age. It’s usually around a year old, but I suppose it could happen even sooner. If it’s allergies, then that will be more difficult to pin down just because there are so many variables.


                  • whispercalm
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                      So of course today Charlie was not sneezing or having discharge. She sounded clear in her breathing when at the vets. He said I was definitely right to make an appt based on the symptoms she had been displaying for days. We talked over some options or treatment. He really didn’t want to start antibiotics when everything was sounding so clear today. He said he’s still thinking it’s some type of allergy irritant with the way it presents itself. He said yellow discharge or green watch for. She did have yellow thick runny nose on Christmas morning. Then it changed to the white. By Sunday it was just a small amount. Yesterday and today no discharge, just a little minor sneezing. He did say it is possible this could turn out to be pastuerella, but it’s just not acting like what he has seen.

                      The plan he came up with was to send us home with a prescription of Orbax. She was too young before to take it. But we are to shelve it and not open it for now.  If she starts up again with the violent sneezing and nasty discharge, we are to either use  nebulizer or steamy bathroom to try to relieve her congestion.  If it continues for a couple days without getting better, then start her on the Orbax.

                      If this happens and we treat with the Orbax and it comes back, I will ask him to do the xrays to check her tooth roots.

                       

                       

                       

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