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    • NoodletheRabbit
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        So, this is a long story. It starts in about June, when my bunny went into the vet for GI stasis. He recovered fine, and we gradually switched his diet to greens and hay. He was doing great, and then about a few weeks later, he was either constipated, or had gas. he was sitting in hunched positions, and was not eating, drinking, but he had passed a giant poop. I massaged his tummy, and eventually, another giant poop came out, and then some normal ones, and he was back to normal. I thought this was happening because he had been eating too many greens. So I cut back on greens, and he ate mostly hay. Then, he started getting really runny cecostropes, and I would notice this in the mornings, and his butt was really messy. Then, about a month later, while still on the greens and mostly hay diet, he lost half his weight, or more. He was weak, couldn’t jump on couches, or run up stairs, and I did reasearch, and found out that megacolon was a thing that happens to bunnies rarely. Also that even if a bunny eats well, they have trouble maintaining weight, because their body doesn’t absorb the nutrients well. He is 4, and apparently signs start to show when they are 3-4 years old. Signs are losing weight, diareah, and large poops, and other weirdly shaped poops, which my bun had as well. We took him to the vet a couple times, and the vet was worried about his weight, as were we too. We gave him critical care, and pellets that were added to his diet from the vet. We took him agian about 2 weeks later for a check-up, and he had gained lots of weight, and he was stronger, he could go up stairs, and jump on couches. We asked the vet about the megacolon, and she said that he didn’t have megacolon, even though she was the one who had seen the giant poops, and seen how much weight he’d lost in a very short amount of time. She had also ex-rayed him, and apparently his cecum looked inflamed. With megacolon, the rabbits cecum is bigger that it is supposed to be. To me, this sounds like megacolon, but she said that it was probably that it was his teeth, and that his teeth had little spurs on them that made it hard for him to eat, but he was eating just fine, and he was eating lots!!! If my rabbit does have megacolon, it would make so much sense. But the vet seems very narrow-minded when it comes to this. I just don’t know what to do.

        Has anyone experienced something like this before? Do you have any advice?

        P.S. He’s doing really well now, and is currently munching hay.


      • DanaNM
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          Megacolon is quite rare, and is kind of the cutting edge of rabbit medicine. It is also kind of confusing for vets, because megacolon in dogs and cats is a very different type of disease. So even a rabbit savvy vet may not have ever seen megacolon in rabbits or know much about it.

          Is your bun is the bun in your avatar pic? Does he have kind of hotot markings? If so, he falls within the group that is predisposed to it.

          However, the fact that he gained the weight back is really good. Also, is he still making weird huge poops? Megacolon buns tend to never have normal poops. They are all either huge, irregular, mushy, etc.  Huge poops can also occur during recovery from stasis.

          When he lost weight before there was a pretty clear cause: you had cut back on greens and pellets, and then he gained it back when you added CC and pellets back. A megacolon bun will lose muscle mass even with unlimited pellets.

          I think it’s something to keep in your mind, if he has recurring bouts of these symptoms. But with just this one episode of tummy trouble I wouldn’t jump to megacolon just yet.

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        • NoodletheRabbit
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            My bunny is the one in the profile pic, and he does have a black hotot marking around one eye, and on the other it is a light brown hotot marking. I just thought that he wouldn’t lose weight that much because he was eating tons of hay and a few greens and I have read that rabbits can survive on just hay, but every rabbit is different. Thank you for telling me that they would lose muscle mass with unlimited pellets!! I didn’t know that. He has been having 1/4 cup per day, and that’s definitley not unlimited. This makes me feel much better. He does poop some perfect round, and geood sized poops sometimes, so that makes me feel better also. The diareah has ceased ever since we started feeding him more. Rabbits are definitley confusing. Thank you for your response!


          • DanaNM
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              Thanks for the additional info! Some rabbits do need some pellets, every rabbit really is different! There also could have been a subtle decrease in his hay consumption with his molar spurs that was enough to lose weight.

              Having nice normal poops now and and a good weight are all very good things. 🙂

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            • NoodletheRabbit
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                Something I didn’t mention earlier, was that he had urins scald once he started losing lots of weight, and the vet didn’t know why, but for some reason, he was peeing on himself, and it was getting all down his legs, and around his tail. I think it might have been because he was so weak he couldn’t sit properly, and he ended up peeing on himself. He had also had been really atticted to his salt wheel (which we have since removed 🙂 ) at the time, which would have made his urine extra salty, and therefore hurt his skin even more.


              • NoodletheRabbit
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                  Also the vet gave us an antibacterial cream that we used twice a day, now we use once a day, because it has healed quite a lot, but still not fully.


                • LBJ10
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                    Signs of megacolon appear in these individuals when they are young, then it progresses to more severe symptoms as they get older. I’ve never heard of symptoms suddenly arising at 3-4 years of age. As Dana said, they are unable to maintain an ideal weight because their bodies cannot absorb nutrients properly. Their body wastes away and they lose muscle mass. It’s as if they are being starved, even though they are eating plenty of food. The regular poops are large and oval shaped, but they also have a high water content compared to normal bunny poop. Megacolon also affects the adrenal glands and heart. Many megacolon bunnies have an enlarged heart.

                    What you’re describing doesn’t really sound like megacolon. Something is definitely going on though. The vet is correct that dental problems can cause GI problems. Perhaps you should look at that first? Considering your bunny has the correct markings to be high risk for megacolon, it’s always good to keep an eye out just in case. But his current symptoms don’t seem consistent with the condition. Especially if he gained weight when pellets and CC were given. Those are just my thoughts based on the details you have given.

                    There is an acquired megacolon, which is different from true (genetic) megacolon. I’m less familiar with this. One of JackRabbit’s bunnies has this.


                  • DanaNM
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                      Hmmm, the urine scald thing is interesting. Was he treated for a UTI? Also makes me think of possibly EC could be somehow playing a role…


                      @LBJ10
                      When I was fostering that bun with megacolon/cowpile our vet said the symptoms usually really get serious  at around 3-4 years, often triggered by a stressful event (which we thought was the move from the shelter to my home.. 🙁 ), but I think you are right in that there are some symptoms before that.

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                    • LBJ10
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                        @DanaNM – Yes, that’s what I meant. There is usually some indication when they are younger. The severe symptoms appear when they get older, usually after they are a few years old. According to MediRabbit: “Crises are episodic, characterized by sudden outbreaks and calm periods. Dehydration, lack of fiber, nutrient deficiencies, or stress (unusual noise, abrupt weather changes) may trigger them.”

                        I also wonder about a UTI or EC (re: urine scalding).


                      • NoodletheRabbit
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                          Thanks guys!!! So, lots of loud construction did begin very near our house a couple of months ago, and this was around the time he started getting issues. The vet did mention something about there possibly being a bladder stone, but I don’t know. He also did get a blood test at the vet, and seemed fine. He has no urine scald, I’m still treating it once a day, because the skin is still a little bit to red looking, but no more scabbing, and doesn’t look painful at all anymore. Also, he is strong as ever and bounds up the stairs no problem, and jumps on the couches all the time. He’s continuing to gain healthy weight too.


                        • DanaNM
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                            That’s great. 🙂 As long as he keeps recovering you prob don’t have anything to worry about. Stress alone can cause so many problems in rabbits so that could have been the trigger for sure.

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