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Forum DIET & CARE Can anyone recommend if any of these products are a suitable replacement for hay

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    • borya01
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        Hey guys. I have had to stop feeding my rabbit timothy hay because it is triggering my asthma attacks. I realize how important hay is so I am looking for an alternative. Right now she has the compressed cubes (they are timothy hay, with just some alfalfa in to bind it), but I wanted to try something else.

         

        A rabbit org near me recommended this product line: Standless Premium Western Forage

        I saw a couple things on here that were interesting, including ‘Timothy Grass Pellets’. Does anyone know about these? Would it be as good as giving her timothy grass? Is timothy grass as good as Timothy hay? I notice that giving her straight Orchard grass didn’t seem to trigger my asthma, I thought of trying that again. But if I can go with a cube or pellet version of her hay, it will be much better for my health (Store link removed and product information inserted below by Wick).

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        Timothy Grass Pellets: Certified Timothy Grass Pellets are high density, ¼ inch pellets of Standlee Premium Western Forage. Timothy Grass forage is highly palatable, is low to moderate in protein and high in digestible fiber. This product is Certified Noxious Weed Free.

        • Highly palatable
        • Moderate protein
        • Lower calories than alfalfa or mixed forages
        • Easy to feed and store
        • Minimal waste, can be accurately weighed and measured
        • Certified Noxious Weed Free

        Recommended For:
        Growing (slow to moderate growth), mature or overweight horses, horses with HYPP, performance horses, early pregnancy mares and breeding stallions

        FEEDING TIPS:

        • Weigh the amount of forage provided to each horse to ensure you are feeding the proper amount.
        • Feeding some long-stem forage (hay) may help eliminate boredom and prevent stall vices.
        • Horses that have dental problems or for horses that aggressively consume their feed, Standlee Premium Western Forage cubes and pellets are recommended to be fed wet, soaked in water for 30 minutes or until properly softened.
        • Gradually replace existing hay with Standlee Premium Western Forage over a 7-10 day period. Replace existing hay on a 1 to 1 basis with Standlee Premium Western Forage.
        • Never feed moldy or insect infested forage to horses.
        • Always provide free-access to fresh, clean water.
        • If you have questions, please contact the nutritionists at Standlee Premium Western Forage, or consult with your veterinarian.

        GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
        Crude Protein Min 8%
        Crude Fat Min 1.5%
        Crude Fiber Max 35%

        INGREDIENTS
        Naturally Sun-Cured Premium Western Timothy Grass Forage

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        I am aware of the Oxbow stacks, but unfortunately the price is out of my price range, which is why they suggested these products to me. Any advice is appreciated.


      • Wick & Fable
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          I am really unsure. One of the major benefits of hay is the “saw blade” texture of it, which really aids in maintaining their dental health since their teeth never stop growing. Pellets do not cause that same amount of wear to happen, especially since it’s not something the rabbit is grazing on all day necessarily. Timothy grass should be the same as Timothy hay. I believe hay is simply the word used when the grass has been dried! The large majority of people opt for hay since getting fresh grass daily is too difficult.

          The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


        • Hazel
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            I agree with Wick. Hay is needed to wear down the teeth and to keep the digestive system working. Rabbits are supposed to graze on hay all day because their digestive tract will shut down if it doesn’t have food moving through it constantly. Eating hay all day doesn’t cause a weight issue because it doesn’t have much nutritional value, but you couldn’t feed pellets all day in place of hay as that would make the rabbit obese. So there really isn’t anything that can take the place of hay in a rabbit’s diet unfortunately.

            Have you experimented with different kinds of hay? Orchard or oat hay often turn out to be a good alternatives for people who have problems with Timothy.


          • LBJ10
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              Have you been tested for allergies? They break it down by grass types. If you’re allergic to “grass”, it doesn’t necessarily mean you are allergic to all grass. Timothy seems to be the more common allergen out of the grass hays. People who are allergic to timothy often have better luck with orchard or oat.


            • borya01
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                Hey guys thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately I can’t easily get these things tested right now due to the covid situation. I just know the hay I’d always been feeding her suddenly gives me asthma attacks to the point I had to stop giving it entirely. I am trying to find the solution that keeps her healthy for sure. Right now she has compressed hay. I noticed that orchard grass didn’t seem to be bothering me as much, so I might try with that. If the grass is just as healthy for her, that might be very good news.


              • DanaNM
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                  Yes Orchard is just as good, so hopefully that works out. Any grass hay would be suitable (oat and rye are other options).

                  . . . The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.  


                • ALRyder
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                    I recently rescued a bunny and have been doing a bunch of research on different foods and such, because I’ve forgotten a lot of it over the years of not having a bunny. Anyway, one of my original questions was on what the difference was in feeding my rabbit different types of hay.

                    From everything I could find, basically, Timothy Hay is the type most people go for because it’s the most calorically and protein-based consistent. In other words, your bunny is the least likely to get fat on it. Alfalfa has a higher amount of calories and is best for younger rabbits. And Orchard Grass Hay just isn’t always as consistent as Timothy Hay, depending on the grower. From my research (mind you, totally amateur research) it seems totally fine to feed your rabbit Orchard Grass Hay instead of Timothy. In fact, from everything I’ve read, this type of hay would be much better than no hay at all. As, from what I’ve read, and as others on here have already mentioned, the texture of hay is really important for the rabbit’s dental health.

                    On a side note, as a person with asthma myself, it can totally suck when something new starts to bother your asthma. Been there, done that. While I really don’t think it’s an issue to entirely switch over to Orchard Grass Hay, have you tried different brands of Timothy Hay? Asthma and allergies can be such a finicky thing, and it may not even be the hay itself that’s bothering your asthma, but something else in the environment it’s being grown in. Just a thought, and if I were you I might not even want to risk it by buying from another seller, but it’s always an option.


                  • borya01
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                      @AlRyder, and others, thank you so much for the reply. This details info is really useful. About my asthma, yeah, it’s gotten to the point where I just don’t want to risk it sadly. So I’m just giving her condensed cubes at the moment. I bought some of the Oxbow stacks, but they are so expensive I can’t keep doing it. Hoping to get the asthma under control, then maybe I can start experimenting with different brands of hay again.

                       

                      And yeah, the ones I’d been getting were coming directly from the feed store, and were just bagged up in giant bags literally plucked from the field 🙂 so this might be one reason why.


                    • Jadeo09
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                        I also agree woth the others. My rabbit needed monthly dental procedures until we took her off pellets. They cause the teeth to ground in an unnatural way compared to actual leaves that they would eat in the wild.

                        Have you considered growing your own grassa and weeds. There are  grass seeds that can be grown very quickly  in the house, but that are marketed towards cats but I’m sure would be great for rabbits too?

                        I can get the link should you need it. Also can you tried dried plantain. That’s very high fibre contents and very abundant in the wild so is part of the natural diet. It would be less dusty and doesn’t contain seed heads as far as im aware.

                         

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