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FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A EMERGENCY! My rabbit has not eaten in 8 days

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    • Poorvi Srivastava
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        I’ve an 8 year old sterilised female rabbit who suddenly stopped eating entirely 8 days ago. I’ve gotten many tests run for her and she’s on critical care for the past 8 days. I force feed her every 8 hours. Her gut seems to be working fine as she’s pooping and peeing fine. She comes running for the food but doesn’t eat it, she eats a few pellets here and there but won’t eat anything else, I’ve tried thyme, rosemary, celery, parsley all sweet smelling herbs but she eats nothing. I thought it maybe a dental issue so I got teeth radiograph which I’ve attached below. The vet here says it’s a dilated heart and have given envas for that but then he also prescribed amoxycillin orally so I’ve no trust in him. The other vet here said gut is slow and keep on meds which was meloxicam, simethicone, perinorm and probiotics, but it’s been 8 days and no recovery. I also got a blood report in which her platelets came out to be very low. We’re just not able to figure it out, if someone could please help because I don’t know how long she’ll survive like this. Putting the x-rays for chest/stomach and teeth. Have started enroflaxacin for some infection in teeth, she also has some discharge from her eye on one side which made me believe that it maybe a dental problem. Please please help me, I’ve shown to 6 vets and none have a solution here :'(

        Stomach xray to see blockage in intestine

        [caption id="attachment_1934150" align="alignnone" width="169"]Teeth and jaw x-ray Teeth infection[/caption]

        Her platelets are around


      • Bam
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          I’m sorry you are dealing with this!

          I too would suspect a dental problem. The most common cause for low platelets is a (bacterial) infection of some type. Hopefully the enrofloxacine will help with that.

          Along as you feed her critical care several times per day, and she eats it and poops and pees, she can technically survive on a diet like that indefinitely. Not that you’d want to keep a rabbit on syringed food for ever of course, but while you figure out the underlying cause of this, her nutritional and digestive needs will be met by the CC. Is she still on meloxicam and tummy meds?


        • Poorvi Srivastava
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            yes she is on meloxicam and tummy meds and now we have started enroflaxacin, I’ve run out of CC and delivery date for that is for 10 days later, for now she’s being fed a makeshift CC of zupreem guinea pig pellets and some basil leaves and banana.

            Is there anyone here who could read the xray? Cause I don’t really trust the vets here, one said dilated heart and the other said tooth infection and I can’t make out which is what.


          • Bam
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              I will alert forum moderator Jerseygirl to this thread. She has more experience with reading x-rays than I have. I have a dental bun with many bad teeth, with a lot more misalignment than your x-ray is showing. My vet told me that teeth that are all white on the x-rays are dead teeth, ie teeth that are not growing (erupting) anymore. If its just one or two teeth that are dead, pulling them could be an option, esp if you see signs of infection around the roots. Since your bun is getting enrofloxacine, your vet is probably exploring that option first, which is wise.

              Metacam and gut meds are very good, but should’ve helped her get at least some of her appetite back. What dosage metacam is she on?

              ETA: Pellet mush with herbs will do fine until you get the Critical Care. I do know it’s a lot of work for you though.


            • Poorvi Srivastava
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                Metacam she’s getting 0.4ml twice daily, her eye seems to be affected too.

                I showed the xray to a vet in USA, he said there is a bad overgrowth of one tooth at the root, and said to give enroflaxacin 25mg twice daily. I’m wondering if that maybe a high dose, seeing that my bun is 2.5kgs.

                Also, does the tooth need extraction then? Cause then how do you fix this tooth? I don’t know anyone in india who’d pull out a rabbit’s tooth 🙁

                Can she continue to thrive without removing the tooth if the infection is taken care of?


              • DanaNM
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                  If the tooth root is overgrown it will need to be extracted. If the tooth is already rotten and infected, it will probably come out very easily. It will be important to find a vet that is experienced with rabbit dentals though.

                  Unfortunately I am not sure that you will be able to cure the infection without removing the tooth.

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                • jerseygirl
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                    Im sorry you are dealing with but I must say, well done on getting her fed and keeping the gut moving! And well done knowing that oral amoxicillin would have been bad. Your girl is in good hands with you.

                    Would the vet in possession of the x-rays & blood results be willing to consult with a rabbit specialist online? I know there are some online sites where owners can speak with a vet with questions but they are legally limited. I think you might get better results through your vet seeking other professional opinions. A lot of specialist won’t take direct questions from the owner. I will attempt to find some possible vets they could reach out to.


                  • jerseygirl
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                      While it is nice of Bam to say I have exp with reading x-rays, I honestly feel confounded by them usually and need vet to explain what I’m seeing. I guess I’m somewhat familiar with some dental X-rays and facial abscess due to seeing those with few of my own rabbits over 10 years?? But I am not trained to read them. Like anyone, I can find other xrays to compare them with & speculate… i will need to open this thread on my laptop to get a better look. At first glance, there does appear to be something going on around the eye orbit, probably involving tooth roots. You mentioned her eye is affected. What does it look like?

                      “Cause I don’t really trust the vets here, one said dilated heart and the other said tooth infection and I can’t make out which is what”

                      I’m sorry to suggest this – it is possible it is both these things and they may be unrelated.

                       


                    • jerseygirl
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                        I was better off looking on my phone & zooming in.

                        Just linking this page for you as I think it can help us rabbit owners distinguish some things we are looking at with x-rays.

                        Rabbit X-Rays (radiographs)

                        I’ve emailed a rabbit specialist here in Australia and am trying get some other contacts you could reach out to via your vet.


                      • Poorvi Srivastava
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                          Thank you everyone for replying. It really means a lot. I’ve an x-ray for the heart too, which I’ve uploaded, what I’ve read is the heart needs to be less than 60% of the chest area, but I really can’t make out the difference, I even tried comparing to 5-6 different images but nothing. I compared all X-ray of the dental area and definitely some root overgrowth. How to fix that though 🙁 I mean if the teeth grows then we file it but if the root is overgrown (which I feel is causing the obstruction in the eye due to which there is discharge) what do we do with the roots of the teeth? Is it to be extracted? If so, how safe is that surgery and what about after the surgery, she’ll have no teeth there, will she be fine still?

                          I did consult with a vet online, he pointed out a dental problem for sure and told me to give enroflaxacin 25mg twice daily orally (is that too much of a dose?) The problem with that now is that as soon as I give the antibiotics, my bun starts having loose stools for sometime, it becomes okay when we give her more probiotics but all this is happening when I’m giving only 15mg twice daily orally. I was wondering if giving it subcutaneously will reduce the chances of antibiotics induced diarrhoea?

                          As of now this is all I’ve, once the infection is taken care of, maybe we can look for tooth extraction, could anyone please share any experiences in terms of this? How good and effective is tooth extraction and the difficulty/risk level of the procedure?

                           


                        • Bam
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                            Medirabbit (trusted source) has the enrofloxacine dose at 0.5-15 mg body weight. 25 mg gives your bun a dose of 10 mg/kilo body weight.

                            If your metacam is 1.5 mg/ml, the dose your bun is getting is low. 0.4ml only gives her a dose of 0.23 mg/kilo body weight. The lowest dose medirabbit has is 0.3mg/kilo body weight. Rabbits metabolize meloxicam much more effectively than cats and dogs.

                            As for the teeth, the hope is that the enrofloxacine will eradicate any bacterial infection around the tooth or teeth root(s). This sometimes work. The rationale behind burring overgrown teeth is to give them more space so tha5 them e pressure on the roots is relieved. I have a bun with very overgrown teeth roots on one side, they cant be extracted because iits all of the teeth in his right upper jaw. He’s had them burred, and they’re not growing anymore, but I have to support feed him because he can’t eat enough on his own. He also gets a relatively high dose metacam every day. The alternative to this is sadly to have him pts. He’s a happy, social, active and outgoing bunny though, just a bit high maintenance.

                            The eye could be affected simply by the tooth roots interfering with the tear canal. It doesnt necessarily mean there’s an infection. There isnt much space in that area.

                            The round platelets are concerning, Im assuming you will retake the blood test in a short while to see if there’s any changes?

                             


                          • Bam
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                              Here’s a screenshot from Medirabbit’slist of safe analgesics, regarding dosage of metacam.


                            • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                Hi bam. Thank you for the reply, I’ve increased the dose of meloxicam to 0.6ml which would be close to 1mg which should be good I hope. The antibiotic has been on for 2 days now but no change in behaviour and no attempts to eat at all. I don’t know what I should be doing now, and how do I even know she’s getting better?


                              • LBJ10
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                                  I can’t really see the x-rays.


                                • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                    I’ve another question, how many times a day and how much critical care does she need? At what intervals should I be feeding her?

                                    Right now I’m feeding her every 4 hours and it’s taking a big toll on me 🙁

                                    I haven’t slept for more than 3 hours at a time for the past 10 days. Could someone please tell me if it’s okay to feed every 6-8 hours also? I mean what the the maximum and minimum interval for feeding CC?


                                  • Bam
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                                      You should not feed her during the night. According to my vet, buns need a good night’s rest just like the rest of us. When my bun relied solely on CC for food, I fed him 15-20 ml CC every 3-4 hours, but not during the night. As he got better, I only fed him 3 times per day, now 2, but he eats quite a bit of rolled oats, grass and fresh leaves now. He is only 1.5 kg, so a lot smaller than your bun.

                                      Here is a screenshot of Oxbow’s dosage chart for CC:

                                      It’s from Oxbow Australia, https://www.oxbowaustralia.com/critical-care%e2%84%a2-information-for-pet-owners/but Oxbow CC is the same all over the world. If you use pellet mush, serving size is roughly the same. To make sure she gets what she needs, I recommend you weigh her. I use a kitchen scale and place the bun in a bowl, since your bun is 2.5 kilo, this method could work. Write down her weight, I’ve found it quite impossible to remember!

                                      I was told not to feed my bun during the night even when he was very ill. If you give her some rolled oats and soft hay etc to munch on during the night, she might just try it because she gets a little hungry. Rolled oats are easy on the tummy and many buns like them a lot.

                                       

                                       


                                    • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                        Wow okay, did not know that. I can leave some mashed banana for her in the night but my other buns eat up everything 🥴

                                        Also, how do we decide what to do? After looking at the x-ray? The vets are not telling me anything.

                                        There is a new problem. Lately there are a lot of lipoma kind of growths on her, they weren’t there before. Right under her neck there is some sort of growth too, all of this is new and we can’t figure out what it could be. Anyone would have any idea?


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                                          I think it maybe an abscess, cause it’s growing and there are small growths all over her body, could it be cause the infection is spreading?!


                                        • jerseygirl
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                                            I encourage you to revisit with the vet with this new symptom. It might help them put together a picture of what is going on.

                                            I was able to contact a forum member that was active here some years ago. They live in your region. I’ll send you a message on here to give some contact details.

                                            Sending {{{vibes}}} for you dear bunny.


                                          • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                              I actually did revist the vet, but nothing substantial came of it, he said to continue with the antibiotic for now. Maybe it’s just me but this seems very worrisome to me, in humans when there is an infection in the body, it spreads into tiny nodules, which are known as satellite nodules, which is what I think this is too. I’ve found a vet who could surgically remove the abscess but he’s of the opinion to continue with antibiotics for now, though as far as I know, an abscess of this degree which is growing so fast would not heal with just a course of antibiotics.

                                              Please do pass on the forum members number, it would be quite helpful.


                                            • jerseygirl
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                                                Oh good, I’m glad you were able to go back. I’m sorry it didn’t give more answers though. Perhaps it’s lymph nodes you can feel? Or was the vet of the opinion that it is abscesses also?

                                                I guess i do understand them saying go continue with antibiotics because surgery for her right now might be too risky at the moment?

                                                Regarding feeding, have you tried a thicker mix of critical care (or pellet mush) and giving to her in a shallow dish? If you could get her doing that, it will relieve you both from the syringe feeding routine. Or cut it down somewhat.  I would try different consistencies. So if she doesn’t like mushy texture, she could try eating little pea sized balls of the mix.


                                              • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                                  I’ve tried to offer it to her in a shallow dish but no response, not just her, none of my buns eat the pellets mush when kept that way.

                                                  And yes, the vet said it is an abscess or a tumor, either way will have to be surgically removed. He’s told me to come on Monday but I keep panicking cause the number of small growths has increased from 2-3 to 5-6 now in a day.


                                                • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                                    Any tips on how to get her to eat out of a shallow dish? I mean how do I encourage her? It’s been 14 days now and she hasn’t eaten :'(


                                                  • Wick & Fable
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                                                      If it’s at the point where she doesn’t want to eat it, then force-feeding is unfortunately required. She really does need to eat. As @jerseygirl mentioned, you can try to experiment with different consistencies of critical care (thick to watery pancake-batter consistency, as one of my vets describe the spectrum) to see if she’s willing to eat any of it on her own off a plate or something. Again, if that’s not working, she needs to be forcefed so she has the needed nutrients and strength to get through this.

                                                      The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


                                                    • DanaNM
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                                                        You can also try mixing the CC with some mashed banana to see if that will get her to eat it on her own. But otherwise you will need to syringe feed her.

                                                        . . . The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.  


                                                      • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                                          I went to the vet again today, a different one, my one wasn’t available, and the new one actually said that it’s not an abscess growing under her neck, it’s a malignant tumor 😢 I mean how is that even possible, the growth grew 3x in the last 5 days, tumors don’t possibly grow that fast do they? I’m so shaken, I’m taking her back tomorrow to another vet to confirm this.

                                                          As of now, she has a growth on her neck which is growing very fast, and there are small growths all over her body which are multiplying in number.

                                                          The vet here said she used a wide boned needle to pierce the growth to check if it’s an abscess but no pus came out and that it’s tissue not pus

                                                          On the force feeding front, I’m force feeding her with a syringe, she keeps it in her mouth and then spits it out :/

                                                          I’ve tried mashed banana, apple, carrot, I’ve tried different consistencies but nothing, she just doesn’t eat, I’ve even put the syringe slightly deeper in her mouth so she can’t spit it out, but even then she waits and takes it out I’ve no idea how 🥴


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                                                            Can’t offer help, but wanted to say you’re a wonderful pet owner for doing all you’re doing. Try to stay strong. Sending love your way. <3


                                                          • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                                              Thank you dove ❤️ that is so very sweet of you

                                                              We went to a different vet (again!) And he said that it looked like it was an abscess, maybe not fully formed but now it’s gone, he even took an x-ray and said the abscess is drained already, does that happen? Does an abscess ever get drained itself?

                                                              She was on antibiotics for 8 days, enroflaxacin at first and then Azithromycin, maybe that helpled?

                                                              Plus the other vet who said it’s a tumor actually pricked the growth, so that made this one say ki maybe it drained then. So confusing, what even is the diagnosis, wish someone could help 🙁


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                                                                Rapid growth typically points to an aggressive tumor, but abscesses can grow fairly quickly sometimes. Abscesses are difficult to drain in rabbits. Their pus is so thick, it just doesn’t drain like it does in other animals.


                                                              • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                                                  Hi LBJ, could tumors grow within a span of 5-6 days?

                                                                  My bun has gone into antibiotic induced diarrhoea, I’m giving her subcutaneous fluids and metrogyl, she’s having bloat too, I keep massaging her tummy but as soon as I stop, gas begins to form again. If anyone could help please

                                                                  We have given simethicone and probiotics, should we be feeding her? There’s no blockage cause she’s passing motions


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                                                                    You should be feeding her if there is no blockage. Rabbits need food in their tums always. Give a littlw bit more often rather than a big meal with many hours in between.

                                                                    I’m very sorry.

                                                                    Sometimes for dysbiosis of the gut vets will recommend you feed some poop from a healthy rabbit. If that is possible for you, you could try it. You can mash the healthy poop in with the food you are syringing her.


                                                                  • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                                                      I’ll try feeding cecotropes from a healthy rabbit, how to collect it though?

                                                                      There is bad news from my end

                                                                      My bun has lymphoma, which is cancer of the immune system :'(

                                                                      We’re putting her on Prednisone, if anyone could share their experiences on this, I would be grateful.

                                                                      I’m just so sad, I don’t know how to take this news, it’s shocking and gut wrenching really


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                                                                        I’m sorry I didn’t see your reply from a couple days ago. To answer your question – Yes. And, unfortunately, your suspicions were correct. Nobody wants to hear their pet has cancer. I’m so sorry. 🙁

                                                                        Steroids are best avoided in rabbits. However, they are occasionally used for very a short duration to treat certain conditions (i.e. spinal injury, etc.).


                                                                      • Bam
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                                                                          I’m so very sorry. As LBJ says, corticosteroids should be used with extreme caution in rabbits. It is used as a last resort in acute cases of e cuniculi or spinal injury etc, in the form of one single injection, not as maintenance treatment. NSAIDs (meloxicam and other non-steroidal ant inflammatory painkillers) must not be given together with corticosteroids.

                                                                          Now I think it’s all about making her as comfortable as possible.

                                                                          Thank you for being a wonderful bunny mum.


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                                                                            I’m very sorry to hear that. 🙁  My ferret has cancer and is on Prednisolone. As the others have said, you don’t want your rabbit on steroids, but if there’s no way around it, I would see if your vet will prescribe Prednisolone instead of Prednisone, it’s easier on the liver.

                                                                            I’ve had success shrinking my ferrets tumors with CBD, it also acts as a painkiller. Might be something to try if you have access to it.


                                                                          • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                                                              What is CBD? We put her on prednisolone. She’s lost mobility in her front paws it seems, unable to get up and lift her head :'(

                                                                              One of my vets said it could be vit E deficiency

                                                                              I’m beyond saddened, one vet suggested PTS but it’s beyond me to think of euthanizing her. What do I do?


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                                                                                Thank you everyone. My baby passed over the rainbow bridge.


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                                                                                  Oh, I am so sorry! <3 😥 You did everything you could for her, please, please, do NOT blame yourself for her passing, you are an excellent bunny owner, doing all you could for her to the end! Let her rest in peace over the bridge with the knowledge that you are happy and well, don’t make her stress if you become being distraught and in depression! Give it a few good cries, get it all out, once you’ve had a good bawl, then I would recommend curling up in a comfortable place, and looking at old videos and pictures of her, it can help with the grief to do that, it has helped me in the past.

                                                                                  Don’t lose who YOU were before, you have a blinding beautiful light, don’t destroy it! I’m sure she is very happy and proud of the moments of being YOUR rabbit, and spending the once in a lifetime opportunity, to be with YOU. Honor her with joy, and happiness. It is always hard to forget their spirit and huge personality. They are the best companions you could ever wish for, and I hope that someday you will find joy in another bun. Take care, and find the beauty in each and every day. We are always here for you. 🙂

                                                                                  Rest in Peace little one! <3


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                                                                                    Oh no, I’m so sorry. 😥  I agree with HipHopBunny, don’t blame yourself. You did everything you could to try and help her.

                                                                                    Binky free little girl.


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                                                                                      I’m so sorry. You did all that you could for her. Please don’t blame yourself.


                                                                                    • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                                                                        I still can’t believe it, my house feels so empty and colourless without her :'(

                                                                                        How do we accept this? How does one accept the passing of their little baby 🙁

                                                                                        Thank you for the good wishes everyone, would request you to please pray for her peace and happiness wherever she is.


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                                                                                          I will keep her in my warmest thoughts, and deepest prayers. She is a bun that was truly beloved to everyone, and I am again, so sorry for you! <3 The hardest part of owning a rabbit, is accepting when it is their time to leave us, and it hurts so bad when they do, but life must go on. Know that she is with you every step of the journey you set out here to accomplish, they are forever friends, even when we can’t see them, know that she is there for you always. Maybe you could try fostering buns to help with the grief? If that would help, then I would say to go for it. Anything that will bring a smile to your face is something you should do, find the beauty in every day, not the sorrow. 🙂


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                                                                                            I’m so very sorry. Dont blame yourself. It was her time to go, you did all that could possibly be done.

                                                                                            It is very hard to lose a bun. They are our babies, as you say. 💔


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                                                                                              I’m so very sorry. Binky free, sweet bun.

                                                                                              I know this is hard to except when they are gone. It’s hard to break out of the intense mode you’ve been in the past few weeks nursing her & worrying. I find it does help some to try remember the healthy years rather then the short weeks or days of illness. But it can take some time for those happier memories to break through grief.

                                                                                              If it helps you, please do share any stories or photos of her. You’re among people who understand what a little rabbit can be in someone’s life.

                                                                                               


                                                                                            • Poorvi Srivastava
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                                                                                                I’ve been trying to find the courage to write here and to think about my bun. It really just is so sad, she had been with me for 8 years and to die of cancer, she went into progressive paralysis which was so fast, one day her legs started flaying, and next she couldn’t hold her head up, third day she was gone.

                                                                                                She was the sweetest bun, would run to me when I called, give me kisses like a manicure, would jump on my bed in the morning and I’d open my eyes to her little face checking if I’m up to give some carrot 🙂

                                                                                                My house feels empty without her, she had her own room and mattress, now when I look at the mattress, my heart thinks I’ll see her flopping there but it’s all gone.

                                                                                                I wondered if I should get a companion for my other bun but my family is skeptical, we’re tired of the atrocious veterinary services here in India and we can’t imagine keeping another and losing them like this 🙁

                                                                                                I try not to think of Ollie so much cause it still brings tears to my eyes, such a sweet baby, went too soon :'(


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                                                                                                  She is with you every moment of the day, just know that she is there. She is watching over you and wants to see you smile, so she knows that she can rest in peace, without the burden of the knowledge that you are grieving. You did everything you could, don’t feel as though someone else could have saved her. It hard, I know, to lose such a valued companion, who was there for you all the time that understood your emotion without you having to say any words, it’s the hardest part of owning a bun. My heart is with you!

                                                                                                  Are there rabbit rescues in your area? Maybe you could try fostering? That can help with grief. If not, then do something else that brings you pleasure, read a book, call a friend, draw, do SomeThing that makes you smile. This will give her the knowledge that it is okay to move on, but still, be with you, she is most likely grieving over you as much as your grieving over her. You are never alone, always know that, please reach out, we are here for you!


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                                                                                                    I’m so sorry you lost her. She seems like the most wonderful rabbit. It is quite clear that she loved you, and that you gave her a great life.

                                                                                                    Rabbit vet care is under-developped in most parts of tge world, sadly. Only a few of us have really good rabbi vets available to us. Vet care for buns is developing quite rapidly though, and things are getting better.

                                                                                                    It may be all too soon to think about getting another rabbit now. Grief needs time. It never fully goes away  but it still is a good thing, to be able to love another living being deeply.

                                                                                                    I hope you and your remaining rabbit can comfort each other during these sad times. It may be that the two of you will grow closer as a result.

                                                                                                     


                                                                                                  • prince dorian the bun
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                                                                                                      So so very sorry @Poorvi . I hope you are able to hold all those happy memories precious and that they give you comfort during your grief.

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