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    • LisaMt
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        We adopted 2 bunnies from rescue exactly one year ago. One Mom, @ 1, daughter 4ish months.  They were at a rescue in Baltimore but had been rescued from a horrible place in Tx. where 400 rabbits “lived” — terrible conditions.  They came from a family of 6 total and were the first to be adopted. We had a previous bunny that we “rescued” first from the roadside and then from a high school classroom, not sure how old but we had him 7 years and he died of old age.  These bunnies, Rose and Nina, are so different; they really don’t show any affection at all, except every so often licking us — but very seldom. They both still run away when we approach and we have to chase them to pick them up.  They even thump — after being with us for a year!! They come right out of their cage when we open it, but usually they head to be under the sofa or to chew on the closet door, which they now can get in and play. They do chew on their toys, but never play with them, like rolling around the ball. They will some times jump up on a box in their cage and sometimes on the furniture, but very infrequently. They certainly are not very active for any period of time.

        I guess 2 kinds of affection they show is that if we are on a different floor — and have forgotten to close off the stair door — they will come up or down to where we are — sometimes, but not often.  Another is when we watch TV they are more likely to come out from wherever they are and sit together on the floor — not near us, but they can see us. When we have chased them down — or we can pick them up when they are in their cage — but they still resist  — and when we hold and snuggle with them either together or separate, Mom (Rose) is very calm, but Nina never let’s her guard down. Never seen her lower her eyelids a millimeter or stay for 1 second after I release my hold.

        Anyway, they aren’t anything like our last bunny and they don’t act like most of the bunnies you all describe. They definitely improved in the first six months — in terms of getting comfortable with us — but then it just stalled and we been waiting and hoping they might change.  It is very discouraging. ANY AND ALL SUGGESTIONS WELCOME!!!  Lisa

         

         

         


      • Wick & Fable
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          The rescue I volunteer for was one of those who took in rabbits from the Texas operation. While no one took the time to properly bond any of those rabbits (obviously; the conditions were indeed terrible), many ended up bonding due to the stress most likely, similar to your pair.

          Since they have each other for social bonding and affection, it is not unusual that they may be more withdrawn to humans unfortunately. In addition, their environment growing up I’m sure did not facilitate trusting humans or non-rabbit entities.

          People are very quick to talk about their socializing rabbits, so don’t let that discourage you! Just like with people’s social media feeds, it does not accurately portray everyone. The majority of rabbits are not cuddlers really, and this comes down to them being prey animals– not because the owner is doing anything necessarily wrong.

          I’ve read stories of it taking more than a year, but also remember every rabbit shows affection differently! The fact that there are occasions where they want to be in the same proximity as you shows they have built up some security gains in being around you.

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        • Hazel
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            Well it’s not all that surprising that they act scared of you. They came from a horrible situation. However, there are things you can do to make them feel more secure. You said you chase them down, catch them and hold them against their will. Any rabbit would hate that and be terrified. Most rabbits hate being picked up and snuggled. They’re not like a cat or dog, they’re prey animals and hate being lifted off the ground. In nature that usually means they’re about to become someone’s dinner. Same goes for chasing them down, why is that happening? If you want to improve your relationship with them and gain their trust, stop the chasing and stop holding them when you know they don’t want to be held. Once they can trust you to not do those things anymore, you can work on getting them comfortable with you touching them. But that will be a long way off. You’ll have to be very patient.


          • DanaNM
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              What have you done so far to try bonding with them? And can you describe their housing set-up a bit more? Can you also describe your home environment a bit more (children, other pets, etc.)?

              I agree with Hazel that holding and catching should only be when needed (like for nail trims, vet visits, deep grooming, etc.), not a regular occurrence.

              My experience with traumatized bunnies is that they feel secure when they have their own space that you don’t mess with while they are in it (so do cleaning while they are out to play), and then an area to exercise in with lots of hide-outs. If the area is so big that they can avoid you completely, it might take longer for them to warm up as they can just avoid you.

              I volunteer at a shelter and the most important element of our socialization program is hand-feeding. So the more you can hand-feed them, the better. When you hand feed veggies, don’t let go, make them eat it from your hand. Could be all of their veggies, pellets, etc., whatever you have time for. At minimum, the first veggies and pellets of the day will help. If they will take food from your hand readily, you might consider clicker training. It is a great way to build trust and bond with bunnies that might not want to be petted necessarily.

              The other big thing is to spend time with them on the floor, but ignore them. So if they currently have free-roam of a whole house and avoid you, you might want to restrict them to one room, and spend time with them in that room. Read, watch a movie, play on your phone, etc. Talk softly to them so they get used to your voice. The more time you spend near them but not bothering them, the more they will trust you.

              Anytime you need to do something stressful with them (like a nail trim), be sure to follow it up with a really good treat.

              It also helps to spend time with them when they are most active (morning and evenings). Most bunnies snooze during the day, so they won’t be very into exploring. I have a foster that would not come out of her pen at all for the first few weeks, and then I started leaving her pen open overnight so she could come out when it was nice and peaceful. We started noticing her favorite time to play and zoom was about 4 am. 🙂 So maybe your buns would like a very peaceful time to explore and zoom around too.

              There are some bunnies that do seem to have some sort of PTSD. I think in those cases you will be able to find joy in providing a safe and peaceful home for the bunnies, and can build a relationship with them in other ways (such as clicker training). Focus on helping them feel safe and secure, and hopefully the trust will follow.

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            • Louiethebunny
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                My best way to bond with my bun is to lay on the ground and check my social media, this forum, other things on my phone or laptop while laying on the ground with Louie in the morning and night when he’s wanting to explore. I also try to hand feed him at least once a day, it helps him associate me with good things. I wouldn’t push to try and grow a relationship, if the bunny wants to get away, I would let it, you don’t want distrust.


              • LisaMt
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                  Sorry to be late in replying. THANK YOU TO YOU ALL WHO ANSWERED! Very! We have been doing some of the things you mentioned — hand feeding; lying on floor. But we certainly can do that much more. Here’s my conundrum on the “chasing”. How do you let them out of pen and have their free run time, if they don’t return to the pen on their own? Or they are on a different level hanging out and we have to take them downstairs to their pen. That’s why/when we have to grab them.

                  Here’s their set-up. We live in an historic 3-level townhouse in DC. Household is my husband and me and our 22 year-old-daughter who is stranded here for the near future. i primarily work from home, my husband doesn’t work long hours, plus has been home since March, and our daughter has been living with us for a year, and is also around quite a bit. we are around a lot.  Nina and Rose spend most of their day in the “basement”, but it’s not really that.  Very nice; our family room w TV and computer. etc. We’re down there off and on during day, time really varies, but I’d guess someone is there at least 4 hours a day and we bring them upstairs a few times a week to hang out on the main level. Their pen is in basement and we open their pen in the a.m. and they have free run of the whole basement level for pretty much the whole day and up til bedtime, and they go in and out of pen. Pen is about half the size of a queen size bed; has boxes to go into and jump up on; litter boxes; blanket over side that they use as a tent to sleep; Ikea bed, plus toys, etc. Often at night, late, like 10/11 when we are watching TV and want to lock the pen for the night, they have already gone in. So no grabbing them. They are more likely to be amenable to being picked up when they are in the pen and they will let me stick my fingers through and rub their heads.

                  We have been thinking that it’s good to pick them up and pet them, rub their ears, etc, so they get to know us. And we thought it was a good thing to take them upstairs several days in the week to have a change of scenery, be in the direct sunlight and be with us when we’re up there. But maybe this is wrong?  Because then we have to chase them down to carry down to their pen. So what is the best things for us to do?

                  It sounds like we should not put them in any situation at all where we have to chase/grab them. Is this what you all are saying? That means they stay in the basement level and if they don’t go into their pen at night, we just leave them out?  It means we don’t take them out in our small garden? And we don’t bring them up to our kitchen/LR level? Or really anywhere where we have to pick them up to take them there or back. Is that what you all advise? Even if that means they are around us less? And we just do the other things suggested? Since Rose will allow herself to be picked up when in the cage and then snuggled for a while — can/should we keep doing that?

                  OR — what we did with our old bunny, named Bunny! We had a large cage on our main level — because we don’t have the space for a pen there. He had run of the floor, litter box outside the cage, and just went in there whenever he wanted to. We can’t really trust them there overnight bc they like to go into fireplace and have messy fun. But this level has all the sunshine and overall, we are probably there more.  Hhhhmmmm?

                  Any corrections, clarifications, and other suggestions would be wonderful. I feel terrible that we’ve been doing things wrong and actually making the situation — and their little world — worse. I just kept thinking, they’d get more comfortable, eventually. But it sounds like we are doing a lot of things that will make that difficult. Again, thank you!  Sad Lisa


                • DanaNM
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                    Ah, this is helpful!

                    You should modify their set up so you do not need to handle them daily. This has likely set you back a lot with your bonding. So, this could mean moving their pen to be in the main room area where you spend the most time, giving them free-roam of a larger area, or spending more time in their area with them.

                    In terms of getting them back in their pen, easiest way is to just feed them their pellets and/or veggies in their pen, or lure them in with a treat. They will likely run right in. Sometimes they might not want to go in while you are directly watching them, but if you put the food in and then walk away a bit, they will go in. Most bunnies like to go in and out of their pen throughout the day, as they think of it as a safe haven, like a burrow.

                    So yes, I don’t think they are appreciating being moved around so much! There are buns on instagram that you see going all over the place with their owners, but in my experience most bunnies don’t really like this, especially if they aren’t very strongly bonded with their humans. They are very tied to territory, so unfamiliar is often scary. I’m sure they will be quite happy with one large room to roam in (this comes from someone in a studio apartment, so mine have only got 1 room and they seem happy!).

                    Since buns are typically most active morning and evening, I would opt to have their pen in the room you spend your mornings and evenings in, so you can interact with them when they are active. You could bunny-proof that room better, and then lock them in their pen at night if needed. 🙂

                    So I would modify their set-up, and stop picking them up unless absolutely needed (like for nail trims, vet visits, etc.). If they start warming up to you and getting more adventurous with those changes, you might consider training them to run into their carrier, and you could try moving them to a new spot occasionally to see if they like it, but I’m guessing (especially with their history) that they will appreciate stability. <3

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                  • Hazel
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                                 It sounds like we should not put them in any situation at all where we have to chase/grab them. Is this what you all are saying?

                      Yes that’s basically it. 🙂  Agree with everything Dana said. Feed them inside the pen, and schedule their meal (or one of them) for when you want to put them up at night. Or you can use a special treat if they go for that. All I have to do to get my guy to go into his cage at night is say his name and walk over there, usually he beats me to it and sits in his cage waiting for his treat.

                      As far as handling goes, you can’t force a rabbit to like something they’re terrified of. You have to work within their comfort zone or you won’t gain their trust. And even when they do trust you, that still doesn’t mean that you’ll be able to handle them easily. That’s just the way they are. 🙂


                    • LisaMt
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                        THANK YOU! I just hope we haven’t permanently harmed our relationship. We were just going by our first bunny who was comfortable with everything and any level. He’d even climb stairs to third floor if we forgot to shut door. Nina and Rose do seem comfortable on both main and basement levels of house and have their own routine on each.  I’m guessing that this is because for the first half of their time with us they were on main floor. I think we moved them down when we had house guests at xmas. We can do most of what you advise, but our challenge is that we are all over the house in day and evening, but definitely in and out on main level more. If they were up here, their pen would be half the size of the current one and they’d probably be able to roam less bc our nice furniture is up here.  But I think they’d only have to be in their pen when we are out for long stretches of time and they’re not big chewers (as opposed to Bunny; he’s mostly why we have new furniture:)  But if we now do as you advise to get them back in their pen, it wouldn’t be much trauma, though I know that would take a while. (Maybe I can just sleep on the couch:) if we can’t them to come to the cage!  When they had the run of the garden at our vacay place, several times we just put their carrier out there and they’d run in. Probably because they knew food was inside and they were tired from binkying. Maybe they’d learn to do the carrier thing up here as another less traumatic way to get them in there pen, since after a bit they’d know the pen is where they’ll get a treat or be hand-fed. Soooooooo, I’m thinking the upper level is the best choice. What think? Do you agree with the upper level move? It seems that they need more time with us as well as the other things you advise. What think? Again, thank you for your guidance!  I just wish I had asked sooner:( Lisa

                         


                      • DanaNM
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                          I’m sure you can repair the relationship, so don’t fret too much!

                          I really think that if they are roaming on the same level that their pen is, it won’t be that hard to get them to go back in. I bet they will get the picture pretty quickly. Also it is not the worst thing to “shoo” a bun in a direction (a little clap and gentle nudge on the bum), but having to chase a bun down and pick them up is a different story. I will sometimes have to “shoo” a bun towards their pen if they are being extra sassy, but usually it’s much easier to lead them in with a treat in hand.

                          I’m still not 100% clear on your house layout and which level is which, but I think whichever level is the most “active” with humans would be the best, even if it means slightly less space. How big would the pen end up being? And how many hours per day would they have to spend in it? You could consider building them a cube condo where their pen footprint would be to give them more vertical space when they are penned as well.

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