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Spay/Neuter
Are your bunnies spayed/neutered? Yes
If so, for how long (for each)? Girl – 4 months, boy – almost 4 weeks
Housing
Please describe your bunnies’ current housing set-up (living together, as neighbors, etc.).
Pen separates the room – usually one not in the pen is free roaming.
Boy is usually kept in the pen as he is more destructive and constantly knocking things over and “renovating”.. had abit of spraying going on the first 2 weeks I brought him home so he was kept there more often. When it’s his turn to free roam (4-6hrs), I put the girl in the pen.
Bonding background
Did you allow the bunnies to “settle-in”? Girl has been here since March and Boy for 3 weeks.
How would you describe your bunnies reactions towards each other (answer for each bunny):
None are aggressive and have groomed each other after feeds though she is a scaredy cat and will start running and he will chase. She’s starting to be abit more brave now, attempting to mount him (must of learnt from him) but gets knocked over when he moves lol.
I only do feeding sessions together now (pellets and veggie time). Will start first bond session on week 4 of boys neutering.
Girl is scared, she puts her head down to be groomed and occasionally grooms him through the pen (first week) on the few moments I let them be together, he does start mounting her which I know is still his hormones so I try to put them away before this happens. She is not territorial at all and has let him pretty much take over the house since he’s been here.
Boy was always trying to get to her and stays by her side through the pen, but has since calmed down abit and going to explore the rest of the house on his own now.
I don’t see in your explanation which rabbit is disabled and what the disability is. Could you please explain?
The mounting definitely could be hormonal but after the hormones subside you should expect the possibility of continued mounting until they work out dominance. They use that as a move to establish dominance and females will actually do it too sometimes.
Oh also you might consider putting a second barrier between them so they can’t directly harm each other through the bars, like a second pen or something so they have a few inches.
I second pinkiemarie.
Also want to mention you shouldn’t let them interact directly unless it’s in neutral territory during a bonding session. Sorry I wasn’t clear on that from your description, but thank you for filling out the template!
In any case, it sounds like they are getting a long relatively well. Are you hoping for advice on the next steps to take?
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My girl has weak back legs so I wanted to avoid excess mounting, also coz she’s weak, she’s very timid and friendly. His mounting is definitely hormonal still, there was bunny jizz on my girl and he made a finish “grunt” noise…
Yes I would like advice on next steps please, since there’s no aggression on either side, do I still have to do the neutral placement every bonding session?
I have put a 2nd barrier, not coz they were hurting each other but because the boy keeps moving the pen. The 2nd barrier just holds the pen in place more securely.
Was this mounting that was *eh-hem* “productive”, right after his neuter?
I would still do neutral space because the dynamic between them might be different in a neutral area. You might find the mounting actually subsides if they are in a completely neutral space. Mounting also might be a necessary part of them sorting out their dominance, in which case you need to allow it to happen, as long as it isn’t overly stressing or hurting either bunny. Also stop face mounting to prevent any bites to delicate areas.
So I think what I would try, is put them in a neutral space together and see how that goes. If the mounting gets to be too much, try gently moving the mounting bunny off and positioning them side-by-side with the other bunny, and pet them to calm them. Then pause for a few seconds and see what happens. Don’t allow them to circle or chase (I usually stop chasing after a couple seconds), and make sure to prevent fighting. I think in your case especially, do lots of petting to keep the bunnies calm.
For first sessions I like to set some short time goals (5 or 10 min tops) for a few sessions and then go from there. Always try to end on a positive note (such as both buns relaxing or mutual petting). If those sessions go well you can start increasing the length of the sessions.
If his mounting never slows down and seems to be stressing her out, he might not be a good candidate to bond with your disabled girl. But hopefully it was just hormonal and/or a phase they need to get through with bonding.
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The jizz mounting was yesterday and day before lol.. first I thought it was pee coz there was a puddle but now I know… coz yesterday there was no “puddle” and there was same sticky stuff on her back. My poor baby.
yesterdays’ was in a neutral area in laundry room in 1×1 NIC grid cubes with pellets. They last probably <10mins before he begins humping and once he begins, there’s no stopping him. I can pop him off but he will keep trying to mount.
Also what to do if he doesn’t seem to like pets? I mean he tolerates it but he doesn’t seem to relax if I pet him, he just moves around and will do what he wants to do anyway, so it’s very rare I can get them to lay next to each other while petting.
Are you sure he’s neutered? There really shouldn’t be anything produced if he’s neutered… so I’m a bit confused by that.
The petting during bonding sessions seems (in my experience) to be a bit different than regular petting because the bun usually interprets it as they are being groomed by the other rabbit. I’ve had shy buns that don’t normally want pets accept them if it’s during bonding and they are next to the other bun. If he moves away that’s OK too.
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yea, I have a neuter certificate and all. I got him from the RSPCA… Not sure what it could be then? it was sticky… and not yellow (urine)
Sometimes neuters and spays can be incomplete. A certificate doesn’t really prove anything except they did an operation they think was successful. I’d go to your own vet and get it confirmed because he shouldn’t be anything coming out of him.
also, how long do you let him mount for? If he’s able to finish, it seems like he’s mounting for too long. This could end up distressing her and leading to a fight eventually. I would stop him after a count of 5. Especially if she has weak hind legs, I just wouldn’t want that kind of pressure back there for so long on her.
it’ll be about 5-10 seconds, he doesn’t last long🤣 I would push him off if she’s trying to run, but if she’s being submissive I let it happen coz I didn’t know it was hormonal.
I won’t let anymore mounting happen til about 6 weeks. Wouldn’t all bonding lead to some sort of mounting though?
Yes, it’s just that he’s finishing his business is what’s just confusing and weird. Mounting is totally fine. If he was properly neutered and it was only that short time ago, he’ll be a bit more humpy anyways just because the hormones are balancing themselves out.
Thanks Asriel 🙂 I don’t want to try again to make sure if is jizz? it’s so disturbing hearing the finish grunt😖. I’ll be doing a pellet feed sesh soon, so sad, I was hoping to start bonding them at 4 weeks so she can have a companion… another 2-4 weeks of waiting to see if they even are a good fit.
Unfortunately bonding can be a slow and agonizing process. It all depends on the buns 😂
Yeah rabbits don’t take very long… From what I heard from someone I know, a boy rabbit totally could be done in like 10 seconds! My buns are both fixed so if they mount it’s totally a social behavior and can go on much longer than that if I don’t stop them.
hahah yep, don’t last long but almost immediately ready for round 2!
pellet feed session went ok (neutral area, in my laundry basket, 10mins), I fed him pellets everytime he groomed my girl, for some reason my girl was not grooming him at all (could be coz I woke her from her couch nap to do pellet session) she usually is a huge licker on me and the one that starts grooming him.
I guess he got bored after 10minutes and tried to hump her again, I quickly stopped him, fed some pellets and petted them both and ended session.
She did get mad at me after coz I had to administer her arthritis meds. Hope she doesn’t relate that to the boy. I forgotten to give it to her earlier.
I am going to do 3 feed sessions tomorrow. (1. front yard grass-neutral area-11am, 2. veggies-shared area-6pm and 3. pellets-neutral area-12am)
Question: for those all day sessions, do I have to keep them in 1 area? Can I swap them to different areas throughout the day? don’t want them to get bored.
Who is the dominant one? The boy is both the groomer and humper??
Sometimes boys will groom in preparation to mount. Typically the one mounting is the dominant one… but it does sound like it’s still hormonal (or maybe even an incomplete neuter?) which would make it less clear. A request for grooming is a dominant move, usually the submissive rabbit will groom first. That said, in many pairs it’s hard to tell which rabbit is dominant because they both show a combo of submissive and dominant behaviors. I’m convinced sometimes they both think they are top bun. 🙂
For long sessions I usually stick to one area (sometimes new areas mean they have to sort things out all over again). Part of them working out their relationship means being bored together. But you can provide lots of toys (new neutral ones) and other things to chew on to prevent them from getting too bored.
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Thank you Dana. My girl isn’t too keen on toys but she loves cardboard, she eats it like hay.
The boy loves toys, he’s so noisy. Throws things everywhere, constant renovating. Parkouring into his litterbox.
Can’t wait til they bond T^T…
Regarding the potential semen production, males can store sperm for up to 6 weeks after neuter, so I would give it some more time before doing more sessions. That will make sure his hormones have really settled and he doesn’t have any more saved up.
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I second what Dana said, and during that time you could try some pre-bonding as well.
Thanks guys 🙂 pre-bonding for another 2 weeks and I will start the bonding process.
just short eating sessions for now with the daily pen swap.
He’s stopped spraying me and the walls for a week now and doesn’t zoom around like a nutcase anymore, so I can see some improvement.
Hahah that’s good!
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todays grass session was an hour… I left them long as it seemed to be going well. My girl was having the time of her life eating all the grass and for the first time ever, she groomed herself and had a little nap! the boy unfortunately, seemed like it was a stress bonding for him, it’s almost like he’s never been outside before. It was really noisy with construction going on, so many cars driving by which is unusual and god dam helicopters WTH?? the timing was unfortunate. They do usually hear construction noise Mon-Fri inside the house anyway but outside was obviously alot louder.
Boy was grooming my girl alot, she initiated grooming which I felt was to destress him and around 45min mark, he got more comfortable and started eating, I tried to hold off a little longer since he was feeling abit better, 1hr in, he jizzed 🙁 couldn’t get him off fast enough. She didn’t seem to care much coz she was eating.
I pet them and ended session.
I thought you weren’t going to do any more sessions until his hormones have settled for 2 weeks more?
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You’re boy is too hormonal for bonding to be productive at the moment.
He isn’t bonding , he’s trying to breed with her. Some boys take a longer time for hormones to drain but it is usually 6 to 8 weeks before they should be bonding after their neuter.
While he is like this bonding is almost a complete waste of your time, and unnecessary stress for the buns. Stop bonding for another few weeks, and let his hormones settle. During this time you can cage swap them and let them settle and get used to both the house and each others company.
Cage swapping, scent swapping and letting him settle into himself is the best way forward for now. He might try and mount in future, but you can and should discourage him from this considering her weakened back legs, ie when he starts acting like he is going to mount either distract him , or place your hand over her back so you are carrying his weight not her. She is obviously being compliant and letting him, but like A&B said, too much of this is likely to start a fight (or cause your poor girl pain or stress or both). Mounting is part of bonding but if it is stressing the other bunny, most bonders will say dont let it happen, in your situation your bun has a disability so even if she is not showing obvious distress you should still stop it, as she is not able to do move away or react herself
Sorry guys, yea I wasn’t planning to do anymore bonding sessions but just feed them together. Usually they are really short (2-5mins). I will hold off doing any long ones for another 2 weeks.
She wasn’t stressed about yesterday and he only did it once towards the end which ended quickly.
An update my rabbits are bonded (I think) there were never any fights between them so I just let them live together the past 5 days. They sleep and take naps together, do most things I’d imagine bonded rabbits do together, he’d walk and flop right next to her and she will groom him but they’re not stuck on each other 24/7, seems like she grooms more then he does, coz when she asks for it, he doesn’t lick her back anymore, she’s always been an affectionate bun though, kisses EVERYONE.
I did not end up doing any bonding sessions in the end besides switching them around their pens and feeding them together.
There’s still the occasional chasing but as soon as he stops, she comes to him so I assume it’s just playing for them or if she thumps he will leave her alone and hide.
He taught her all the bad habits and no good traits rubbed off on each other. They both now run upstairs and eat the houseplants together (she never went up there or ever ate the houseplants for the 5 months I’ve had her).
All in all, they’re both assholes together now lol.
Oh I’m so glad things are going well! Sounds like you got an easy bond which is so nice. With the continued chasing just keep a very close eye on them because it could turn into something where one of them gets hurt in the blink of an eye, and don’t be afraid to separate them for a couple of hours if they need it!
When will I know that they are safely bonded 100% I cannot keep an eye on them 24/7 forever.
None of them ever showed any aggression traits, she lunges at me if I was trying to grab her from under the couch but she has never bit me hurtfully ever?? she will just graze her teeth at me as a warning.
The boy doesn’t do anything, not even the lunge if I tried to grab him from under somewhere, but I know he’s taken another boys ear off when he was taken into the RSPCA ._.??
I don’t know if its even chasing, I just feel he’s just hopping out of the room to her and she’s she would sprint off (to the best of her ability) because she’s startled.
But thanks! I am so relieved and despite their [redacted], I am glad she now has company as I don’t really spend much time with either of them. Besides when I clean and feed. I dno if he’s happy coz he doesn’t binky anymore :,(
It’s entirely possible that they’re just playing! I’m just warning caution and to keep an eye and ear out because aggression can happen for a while after bonding while they’re still finalizing their dominance hierarchy.
FYI I just edited to remove the swear word.
Most important is to trust your gut. Other signs they are bonded are: sharing food (like, they can yank it out of each other’s mouths), sharing litter box, snuggling, grooming each other, and generally being in each other’s personal space without incident.
Signs they need more work: fast chasing, fur pulling, nipping, or general “tenseness”. You want to see lots of positive behaviors and no negatives.
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Thanks Dana, I’ve seen them lady and the tramp it with a lettuce and everything you mentioned above.
There’s never any fur pulling or nipping even before they were bonded.
The fast chasing.. can’t really tell coz my girl can’t run that fast, tho I have seen her stack it when she was trying to jump up somewhere when she was startled by his sudden movement.