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Forum BEHAVIOR I’M DESPERATE litter training – worse than better

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    • Kata
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        Hi guys! I have a big problem with litter training my 17 months old male rabbit. I have Bruce for two weeks and he had two different owners before me. He’s not neutered yet, I’m waiting for the visit on 25th but until then I really don’t know what to do.

        So far he is a big trouble because he clearly thinks carpet in my room is his litter box and he can even keep all night until I open the cage in the morning and first thing he does is choosing the place for doing the business. Both pooping and then pissing. At the begging he had one favourite place next my my bed so I put the litter box there and it stayed like this for a week and he was using it but when I finally moved the litter box to the cage he refuse pissing there. When I move him into the right place he’s pissing on the fly and everything is wet. I tried different type of bedding, Carefresh and pellets and nothing works. I tried to put the blanket onto the cage so he has some privacy but it’s not working. Every time he pissed on the carpet I’m putting the wet tissue into the litter box and every poop I can find to show him where is the toilet but nothing works. I also ordered a closed litter tray which should come today and I’m planning to put it inside the cage but I don’t think it’s gonna work either. I am so desperate I kept him in the cage all day long the day before yesterday and still he didn’t use the litter box but he pissed all around the cage just not where he supposed to… Every time I open the cage door he only looks for the place to pee and I can’t even let him sit anywhere or do anything because now he’s pissing in different place every time and it’s a lot. I mean it’s not like marking territory kind of thing because it’s enormous I mean it looks like he really keeps all night every time. In the evening around 8 or 9 is the same. What is interesting he never done anything in the reception room not even one poop.

        Do you please have any advices what to do? I can’t keep him in the cage all the time but I can’t let him pissing all over my room it’s not even my flat I’m just renting and I’m tired of cleaning the carpet at least twice a day with from the pee…


      • jerseygirl
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          I think for now it would be better for your frustration levels to get hold of and excercise pen and attach that to his cage. Line the floor in the pen with something that is easy to clean up. I’d recommend even using a set up like this for a few weeks after he is neutered.

          Are you using bedding in his cage as well as a litter box & litter? If so, take out all bedding material and leave the cage floor bare. Some rabbits will just think the whole cage is a litter box if there is bedding. You might find they’ll even sleep in the litter box and go everywhere else.

           


        • Kata
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            I don’t use any bedding except the litter tray, there is only a blanket inside. Do you think I should take out the blanket as well? + To be honest he is not at all active which is kind of another thing I’m a bit worried about  however vet said he is fine. Even if he is out he’s not really jumping or exercising only lying and sleeping. Just from time to time he walks around the rooms, change the sleeping place or lying position so it looks like he doesn’t really mind being in the cage. I was trying to encourage him to exercise by playing with him but even if he was intrested for a second he would get upset with me sooner than later and just ignores me and goes back to lying.


          • Cinnamon Bun
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              Ditto, Kata! I have exactly the same problem with Binki. She is 1 year and a 1\2, and she isn’t spayed yet. She used to be a very good litter trainer, but she suddenly stopped one day. She literally poops and pees everywhere in my room. I had to keep changing my bed covers, and washing my rugs twice a day.

              I don’t use bedding or litter (as it’s hard to get hold of, and way too expensive), just a puppy pad in her litter box, and her hay on one side. I was going to create another forum for discussing this, but now maybe not! I think both of our bunnies’ problems is that they aren’t fixed. I can’t have Binki keep soiling my bed and rugs, but I really can’t stand seeing her in a cage, either. I think that Binki is territorial marking, but the amount of mess she makes is devastating! I did have an X-pen to confine her in until she got fixed, but she kept climbing out of it. After she got stuck in between the bars, I decided that I’d better sort out a different housing situation.

              I’m trying to get her a taller X-pen, but with everything going on in the world, I haven’t managed to find a solution. She needs exercise too, but since she keeps soiling everything, she can’t be let out very often. I’m planning to free-range her once she is spayed, and stops going to the bathroom everywhere. *hopefully. If I take everything out of her cage, blankets and fleece, mats, etc. then it won’t help heal her sore hocks.

              Does anyone know what they can do to help Binx and Bruce? 🙁


            • Louiethebunny
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                It’s normal for a new bun to not be as energetic. After they get neutered and spayed, their real personality begins to shine through as well. Some rabbits aren’t as energetic, lop breeds are known for being mellow. Make sure he is just sleeping or laying down, sometimes they hunch their shoulders, or press their tummies to the ground, which are signs of tummy trouble. If he’s eating drinking and pooping normally, he may just be relaxing. I agree with @JerseyGirl, I would get something you can put underneath the pen, so it’s easier to clean. Once he’s neutered, litter training will be much less of a problem. Even if you can’t get him neutered soon, the peeing all over may cease, he is probably territory marking, which usually decreases when rabbits become familiar with new environments.


              • Cinnamon Bun
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                  Ditto Kata! My fur baby Binki, has exactly the same problem. She is 1 1\2 years old, and she isn’t spayed yet. Binx used to be such a good girl at using her potty, but then one day she suddenly stopped. I was shocked when I heard that poor Bruce has been doing exactly the same.

                  I’m tired of having to keep washing my bed covers, and rugs. She soils them about twice a day, and it’s not easy to have to throw everything back into the washing machine. I have confined Binki since then, in a 2 x 4 foot cage, but she’s used to being free-range, and it makes me feel bad to have to see her in there. *she chews the bars a lot. I can’t have her keep soiling my mattress, but I can’t stand her staying in that cage, either! I tried giving her two litter boxes hoping that it would work, but it didn’t. Then I tried to litter train her again, but still no success. I think she’s territorial marking, and that’s why she is going to the bathroom everywhere. She still uses her litter box, but she also does it outside of her box, too. She needs to get exercise, but she keeps soiling the place, so it’s hard to let her out and play. If I do eventually take out her blankets, mats and fleece etc. then it won’t help heal her sore hocks.

                  She used to live in a 3 foot tall X-pen, but she kept climbing out of it. (Can you imagine a bunny CLIMBING out of a pen?)  😯

                  Anyway, does anybody have any suggestions on what we should do regarding Binki and Bruce?


                • Cinnamon Bun
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                    Just checking guys; Have I sent 2 posts? My first post got deleted by accident! 😉


                  • DanaNM
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                      I would take out the blanket as well. Some buns will pee on anything soft.

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                    • DanaNM
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                        @binkithecutebunny   Are you planning to get her spayed? Jerseygirl’s advice to OP applies to you as well. Unneutered/unspayed rabbits are prone to marking their territory and have much worse litter habits.

                        Spaying is also important to prevent reproductive cancers in females.

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                      • Cinnamon Bun
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                          Yes, I’m planning to get her spayed very soon. But with everything going on, it is a little hectic.


                        • jerseygirl
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                            If he toilets on the blanket, then yes, I’d remove it. I may have misunderstood when you wrote “all around the cage”. Had you mean he was toileting all around  in his cage, or around it when he comes out of the cage.

                            “Exercise pen” is a bit of a misnomer really. They’re sold as those for puppies and maybe kittens. I often interchange the name with x-pen.  With rabbits, they’re more of a habitat. So it allows them more space then just a cage or hutch if free range is not an option. But they won’t necessarily be active when they’re in them. It’s not unusual for rabbits to mostly sleep the day away and just have short bursts of activity.

                            My suggestion of a pen was that he have only that and not be allowed into the whole room until the litter habits improve. If you prefer not to go that route, do you think he would go in the box next to the bed where it was successful last time? I understand that would be an inconvenient place to have one.. but you could start to slowly inch it over to another spot.

                            “What is interesting he never done anything in the reception room not even one poop.”

                            I didn’t quite understand this from your first post. It might be regional thing (I’m Australian). Is this another room of your home? Does he have access to the whole place?

                            Since you’ve only had him for 2 weeks, he could be still in a “marking new territory phase” that will hopefully abate! Could he be picking up on the smell of a previous pet on the carpet in the bedroom?

                             


                          • jerseygirl
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                              @binkithecutebunny How long ago was it that Binki’s litter habits deteriorated? Was there a change in environment around that time? Or a different pet that came into “her” space?

                              It’s unusual for an adult rabbit (even unneutered) that had good habits to just lose them unless something triggered it or there is underlying health issue, imo.


                            • Kata
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                                I removed everything left only the litter box and bowles with water and food. Still he is pissing all over the cage. And by that I mean he poops on the plastic and today he took all the hay from the carrier sit on it and peed in the corner of his cage straight into the bowl with food. I don’t understand what does that mean. Rabbits supposed to be clean animals and he’s worse than a pig. By pissing all over I meant in the cage into the plastic but also around the rooms. Reception room is another room in my house it’s living room. So far he never did anything there except today when he pissed into the carpet in the living room for the first time. I know rabbits are nocturnal animals but he’s making so much noise during the night just to lay down on the floor doing nothing cause he is not interested in jumping and playing at all.
                                I honestly don’t know if there were any other animals in this flat


                              • Wick & Fable
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                                  Please see the following thread specifically for Kata’s situation: https://binkybunny.com/forums/topic/bunny-peed-into-the-bowl-with-food/

                                  The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


                                • Cinnamon Bun
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                                    I think it was about 4 or 5 months ago, that Binki’s litter habits deteriorated. She hasn’t been bonded with any other bunnies, since she was 5 months old. (She’s 1& 1\12 months old now.) We moved when she was about 6 months old, but we literally just moved houses, and it was in the same area.

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