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Forum BEHAVIOR Bunnies are fighting and we don’t know what to do!

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    • Sona and Mümmel
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        Hello everyone,

        we (Daniel and Viki) are brand new bunny parents of Sona and Mümmel. They are both about 34 months old and from the same litter in a pet store, and they got along amazingly for the last 2 weeks when weve had them. They were snuggling and playing along so well, it was cuteness overload. (See attached picture)

        But today, we suddenly heard a racket coming from the couch where they like to spend most of their time and we saw them in a fury of claws and fur. We separated them quickly and as soon as the fighting stopped they were back to snuggling one another. But 5 minutes later, same thing! We have separated them for now by putting him in the cage (which we had bought for the first days while we bunny proofed our living room) and putting her in the hidy-house on the opposite side of the room. Strangely…. after only a few minutes later they were sitting on opposite sides of the bars trying to find a way thru to one another, but we dare not let them back together for the night (its midnight here in Germany). We are heartbroken that our 2 bunnies are hurting one another and utterly clueless as to what to dodoes anyone have advice?

        If it helps, this video was taking minutes before the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJm1Q_pidjc&feature=youtu.be maybe theres some telling behavior that we didnt spot?

        Sona is the black and white female, and Mümmel is the all black male (who we were told is neutered by the pet store).

        We checked both of them for wounds or blood, and luckily found neither. Only Sona’s fur is quite ruffled… most if not all of the fur that came off in the fight was black-white.

        We’re planning to take them to a vet ASAP to be certain, though… but we would apreciate any advice…


      • DanaNM
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          Hi there, welcome! Sorry the forum is still being worked on so you may not get as many replies.

          Unfortunately this is a common experience when people get baby bunnies, but don’t panic! In most cases the relationship can be re-formed. Babies get along, but when puberty hits fights break out. I am happy to hear that the male was neutered, but you will also need to get the female spayed.  It’s most likely that her hormones kicking in triggered the fighting. (Spaying females is also important to prevent reproductive cancers in females, which are very common without spaying). You should also double check that your boy is neutered, just in case the pet store misled you!

          So for now keep them separated and let everyone settle down, and when your girl is old enough get her spayed. Females have to be a bit older for the spay surgery, I think most vet’s minimum age is around 6 months but vets may vary. Then the next steps (once everyone is healed and hormones are settled) is to work on bonding them. A good starting point is to read the bonding section under the “rabbit info” tab at the top of the page. The basic process involves supervised “dates” in neutral territory to allow them to safely establish their hierarchy. In preparation for that process, try to keep an area of your home bunny-free so you have a neutral space to work with.

           

           

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        • Sona and Mümmel
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            Hello DanaNM,

            thank you for the reply and advice.

            We were really hoping to spare Sona the pain of being spayed, but I think you might very well be right. This morning we let Mümmel back out of the cage under supervision and everything is fine until Mümmel sproaches her butt and sniffs it…. then they get agressive and we have to seperate them again.

            Unfortunately, Sona seems to want to get back into the cage… We had put her in the opposite corner of the room, where we have a litterbox and hidy-house set up for her, but she walked all the way across the wood floor (which they hate doing) to the cage and spend an hour looking for a way in. She ended up sleeping on the couch (what a cliche) next to the cage instead of going to the other house we have set up for her. If we can’t get her spayed for another 3 months… this is not a permanent solution…


          • LBJ10
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              I’m sorry this has happened. I’m sure you weren’t expecting them to suddenly start fighting. Baby bunny bliss can be misleading. As Dana said, what you are experiencing is very common. Everything just goes right out the window once their hormones start to kick in. For a successful bond in adulthood, both bunnies will need to be spayed/neutered. So double check to make sure your boy was indeed neutered and then make plans to get your girl spayed once she is old enough. And, as Dana said, it is also important for females to be spayed to prevent uterine and other reproductive cancers.

              Are you able to get a second cage? Or some dog exercise pens? Your best bet is to create a setup where they are separate, but close. Not too close though. You want enough of a gap between them so they can’t fight through the bars. You can work on rebonding them after she has been spayed and her hormones settle.


            • DanaNM
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                Definitely important to have a good set-up for during this time (and during the healing and bonding process), as it will be less stressful for everyone (including you!).

                NIC cube condos, dog crates, and x-pens can be great temporary housing, and can be relatively cheap. I personally love NIC cubes for making housing that can be reconfigured when done. Plus you can put a lid on them (unlike x-pens, which some buns can escape from). Here’s some info on how to build a cheap one that might work for you: http://www.bunssb.org/bunnies/perfect-cheap-bunny-cage/

                I’ve also seen dog crates etc at thrift stores, but with the pandemic that it prob not an option for you, depending on where you are in the world!

                I’ll just add, that although the spay surgery seems scary, it really is for the best. Females have ~50-75% rates of reproductive cancers by age 4, so spaying greatly increases life span. Important to find a vet that has done lots of spays, so feel free to seek more advice here if you need help selecting a vet.

                 

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              • Sona and Mümmel
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                  Hi, and thanks again for the advice.
                  After taking them to the vet to make sure they weren’t hurt and having their claws cut back a bit we let them meet in a neutral enviroment for a few hours before seperating them for the night. There was periodic fighting, but we were usually able to seperate them without anyone getting hurt. We were also able to watch what was going on more closely. She usually aproached him, sniffing and nudging him until he started to sniff her butt and then the fight broke out. But unless she annoyed him, they were acting like what we read is bonded behaviour. They ate together, sometimes taking turns munching on the same carrot or lettuce. They groomed one another and cuddled… untill she started nudging and sniffing him and then it was chaos again.
                  A few days later we let them free roam together, while keeping a watchfull eye. There was some chasing and at some point Mümmel (the boy) kicked Sona out of the hidy-house and wouldn’t let her back in. Idk if this is right, but it seemed to us that him standing up for himself really made a difference. After he did that a few times, the fighting has stopped almost entirely. And at most she will anoy him till he chases her off and then it’s ok within a few seconds.
                  The last few days, we’ve been able to let them get back to free roam together and all is back to normal.
                  Sona has even started to get friendly towards us. Eating from our hands and even letting us pet her while she is eating.
                  We’re still planning to get her spayed as soon as the vet will do it. Mostly because she is marking her territory with poop and pee and we heard that they do much less of that when spayed.
                  Thanks again for the responses. Especially the “don’t panic” really helped us get thru this.

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                • DanaNM
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                    I’m glad they are doing better but I strongly recommend keeping them separated until she is spayed. Onset of hormones occurs in phases, and hormonal waves can trigger fighting, and fights can get bad very quickly if you aren’t there to intervene. Bad fights can also harm the ability to rebond. The other element of this is that they will need to be separate when she is spayed anyway, because her hormones will change again which will disrupt the relationship again. The spay surgery requires healing time in peace with limited movement, so having any issues with another bun could injure her seriously.

                    Even if you are able to monitor them 24/7 (which you might be, because we are all quarantined…), be aware that serious injuries can happen in the blink of an eye, so I really do encourage you to keep them apart until spaying. I had a bond break on me (for other reasons) and my girl got her lip bit open (requiring sutures) even though we were sitting right next to them when it happened.

                    So yeah, I do recommend separating them for now!

                     

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                  • Sona and Mümmel
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                      Actually we are already back to work here in Germany. We have fewer active cases (~21000) left than the US gets daily new infections (~24000). Benefits of having a good public health care system and taking quick action when the pendemic started 😉
                      But I work from home, so I can monitor them almost 24/7 and we haven’t seen them fight anymore. When they get bothered, they just hopp off to the opposite side of the room for a while. I think it also helps a lot that they have started to do more free roaming so they have much more space to get away from each other when upset. When they fought they only had the couch and the small cage we had bought for the first days.
                      While you’re right and this could still happen again, as you also make clear, it could happen for other reasons and at any time. So there’s no 100% safe anyhow and we don’t want to ruin their lives for months and have to bond them anew on the chance that they could start fighting… Just like you can’t keep a kid locked up in their room for their entire lives so that they are safe…


                    • DanaNM
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                        Your decision. Just to clarify (to make sure my last post wasn’t misconstrued), in general bonded pairs do not just start fighting for no reason. There is most always a trigger, and true bonds breaking is very rare (common reasons are a vet visit or illness of a partner, but this is also rare). The pair I had fight were not truly bonded, which I did not realize at the time, and is part of the reason why I always encourage caution in others.

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                      • LBJ10
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                          If you decide to keep them together for now, I would recommend having a backup in place. If they do end up needing to be separated, you don’t want to be scrambling for things to change their setup. Something that could be reused later is the grids that are used to make storage cubes. They can be assembled in any configuration you like so you could use them to make a temporary pen or divider and then you could use them for bunny-proofing later.

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