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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Can you have free-range bunny and kitten living together?

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    • Chii
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        Hello!


        I have an almost 5y old bunny, and my husband and I are considering to adopt a baby kitten early next year. Muffin (my bunny) is very calm and confident, laid back bunny. He did not bond with other bunny – she was very bossy and agressive and was upsetting him greatly. There are usually no bunnies in shelter.
        He’s travelling with us a lot, and was interacting with cats and dogs before – he just loves our parents dogs, they lick and groom each other. With cats it’s different – he’s mostly ignoring them. At one point, one of the cats was sleeping nearby and Muffin went to sniff him and just sat around for a while, so that’s good. My friend has two cats – 9 year boy and 5 month kitten. Older one ignores Muffin and he doesn’t care about cat either. Kitten is fascinated with bunny, stalks him, jumps on him, pats him with a paw (with no claws shown). Muffin usually just hops away from her. I always get stressed when kitten is pawing him or jumping on him, as my friend’s hands are all covered in scratch marks. However, he’s always superwised when with other pets and wasn’t showing any stress (eats his greens, hops around, lays with legs stretched out, etc.)


        We tried to adopt a rescue 2y old kitty, but when we brought her home, she waited until my husband opened the door of her safe room (she was confined to  bathroom to get used to the changes), and charged towards Muffin, hissing, growling and chasing him. Muffin ran away, and we separated them immidiately. That was an awful experience, but we are hoping with a baby kitten it will be different. 

        I don’t need them to be best friends, just want both pets to be safe and comfortable with each other.



        My concern is, that Muffin is a free range bunny, and we live in a studio apartment. He’s chilling on the carpet and the couch, which take roughly half of the room, since he can’t walk on the hardwood. I work from home, so I could supervise the pets during the day.

        At first, I could lock him Muffin up at night, just to be sure nothing happens between him and kitten while I’m sleeping, but I’m a bit scared, they might hurt each other when I’m not around, and locking Muffin every time I leave the house/every night would be less than ideal, if it’s long term. 


        I am not willing to declaw the cat, both pets would be spayed/neutered (Muffin already is), have vaccinations in check, etc.



        What are your experiences?

        How easy it is to intoduce a kitten to a bunny, so they both would understand to not hurt each other? I’m mostly concerned about Muffin getting hurt, but you’ll never know.

        Can they really be in a same room only when superwised? Do I have to separate them forever?

        What’s the best way to introduce a kitten to a bunny, if we live in a studio?

        How old kitten should be for best results? It’s not going to be a purebreed cat, I’m adopting from rescues, so I could just wait until there’s a suitable baby available.

        I did my research, but it’s the free range aspect that is confusing – mostly bunnies live in a cage, so it’s different, since they are safe there. Some people say it’s just a disaster waiting to happen, some people say it can work, if both pets are mellow.

        If that matters, we are going to move to the house in a few years, and I could just close the door to the bunny’s “main hanging out room”, when we are not around. Maybe it’s better to wait on getting a kitten until then? In studio appartment, all I can do, is to lock Muffin in his hutch (forever open, his litter box is there and he mostly sleeps there)


        Thanks in advance for any advice!


      • mimimomo
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          (Sorry in advance for the really long rambly reply!)

          I have two (mostly) free roam bunnies and got a kitten back in early November, so I have some experience/opinions to offer! I say “mostly” free roam because our bunnies do sleep in a cage at night, and we also put them in the cage if we’re going to be out of the house for more than a quick errand. We’ve always done this (long before the kitten) just because they’re super destructive bunnies and they would totally destroy the entire house if I weren’t there to intervene!

          We got our kitten when he was 12 weeks old. He (Sasha) was actually quite small (under 2 lbs) which I think was really helpful for the bunnies – they’re only 3 lbs but they had a size advantage on him for the first month or so! He was very curious about them from the start but also a bit intimidated – if a bunny ever hopped towards him, he would run away I think the best thing was that our bunnies were very chill about it all – they showed practically no interest in Sasha, and didn’t run away or even flinch if he approached them. Even our super timid bunny acted really confident in front of him, and even acted a little territorial (following the cat onto the couch, etc). Eventually Sasha stopped being scared of the bunnies, but I think he’s kept his impression that they are Not Prey. He’s still an energetic/playful kitten so he often tries to get them to play with him, but they look much more like equal playmates than predator-prey.

          Despite all this, I still don’t entirely trust Sasha around the bunnies. Things like bunnies scrabbling on the hard floor or binkies randomly trigger his instinct to chase, and I’m just thankful the bunnies keep their cool and don’t freak out when it happens. Sasha has never shown any signs of aggression (playing with claws out, etc) but I can imagine it happening if he got too excited. That’s why I always like to be nearby, so I can separate them immediately if things look like they’re escalating. Also, if a bunny did somehow get hurt, I want to be there when it happens so I can deal with it right away.

          One suggestion: if you do get a cat, have him wear a collar with a bell. It’s annoying to listen to, but the bunnies always know where he is. If he’s in a crazy mood, the bell is constantly ringing while he runs around and the bunnies usually choose to lay low for a bit.

          I think it was actually really beneficial for our bunnies to be used to spending time in the cage and comfortable in it. It makes me think a little of crate training in dogs – a crate shouldn’t be a punishment, but a safe and familiar space. The bunnies actually spend a lot of time sleeping in the cage even when the door is open (even before the cat), maybe because it’s the only place that’s 100% theirs and they just feel comfortable in there. The reason I’m going on and on about the cage is because now that we have Sasha, the bunnies really use the cage as their home base. If Sasha is being particularly crazy or irritating then they just retreat back to their cage and wait for him to calm down.

          With regards to your situation, my advice is to have a backup plan. If for whatever reason the kitten and Muffin don’t get along, what will you do? It sounds like when you get your new house you can keep Muffin in a separate room if necessary, which is a good option. If you got the kitten sooner, would you be willing to do something like I do (keep Muffin in his hutch when you leave the apartment/when you’re sleeping), or do you think that would be too hard on Muffin? Hopefully that would just be a short term thing while they learned to get along, but there’s always the possibility that it’ll need to be permanent, and you need to be ok with that before you get a kitten.

          If it were me, I would probably wait until you moved to get the kitten just for peace of mind – it really is helpful to have an extra room where you can put the cat if he’s being bad. But I don’t think your current situation is an impossible one – I’m sure you could make it work if you really wanted to!

          As far as age of the kitten, probably the younger the better. A young kitten is still learning what’s normal; an older kitten might have a harder time accepting that bunnies are friends and not toys. Then again, all kittens/young cats have a TON of energy, so it might be worth considering getting an older cat! I’m sure there are cats out there that have lost their prey drive and just want to sleep in the sun all day

          Let me know if there are any specific questions I can answer for you! I could tell you about how we introduced our kitten/bunnies, but this post is already suuuuper long and probably TMI


        • Chii
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            Thanks a lot for taking your time and writing such a detailed answer! I showed it to my husband and we talked over the kitty topic again, and I think we better stick with having a bunny as the only pet for now. I wouldn’t want the stress and worrying over them hurting each other, even playfully and separating them all the time would be a pain, as well as a bit too harsh for Muffin. He can be sleeping in a hutch all day, but if I close it, he will rattle the door and ask to go out, just to sleep nearby

            I’ll take your advice and will return to this topic when we move to the house, as it would be so much easier for all the parties involved.

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