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FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Question about little/no tongue involvement while drinking

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    • RLD
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        Hi, new member here but I’ve certainly read a fair amount of posts on this forum when researching bunny conditions over the years. I’ll try not to get too long-winded, so here is my story: a few years ago, I took in a very young bunny who had been found wandering my apartment complex a month or two after Easter. My friends at one of the shelters said they were packed (surprise, surprise for that time of year). I decided to take the Easter bunny in for a few weeks while we figure out what to do…

        So anyhow, it’s over three years later and she’s still here.    We had a scare with stasis about six months ago. I caught it fairly early, so there was enough time to get her in to the vet where she received a standard prescription of Metoclopramide, Meloxicam and an antibiotic suspension (forget which). Upon follow-up visit, it was discovered that some small spurs on her molars, which seemed suspect on the initial visit, were actually just a small part of the story. It turned out that she had several jagged edges on those molars that had actually cut into the back of her tongue on both sides, very likely causing a lot of pain–perhaps the root cause of the stasis.

        So she had thorough dental work done by that vet, and we reviewed pictures and xrays after both visits. Things seemed fine. However, she seemed to be drooling out the sides of her mouth, and naturally I searched around online and saw things still pointing to dental. I have found only one instance online where drooling seemed to have been caused by post-infection nerve involvement leading to a slack jaw or something along those lines. Anyway, I took this little baby to another vet (also with a great reputation and endorsed by our local rabbit society) who gave her a thorough look and admitted that she only did very slight filing of the teeth, certainly not enough to be the decider between a drooling/non-drooling situation.

        So I’d like to ask for input or ideas on helping with this situation, but before jumping to the conclusion that it’s a dental problem, I’d like everyone to please understand that this bunny has had several dental visits at three different vets over the last six months. All vets agree that she looks fine inside the mouth right now. I have observed that she behaves as normally as ever, but easily gets what I lovingly refer to as “horror mouth” after eating a lot of salad and hay during the day while I’m at work. Grooming has now become a regular task for me.

        One last thing–I have a hypothesis that the previous trauma to the tongue may have caused scarring or some other condition where she cannot make a normal licking motion. I suspect this because 1) she cannot drink from a bottle no matter what I try (I finally gave up after going an alarming stretch with her drinking nary a drop) and 2) she used to make the typical adorable bunny water lapping noise when she drank, whereas now she makes no noise, just a lot of shaking off and a big mess whenever she’s finally done drinking.

         Hopefully I can post this link of what it looks like despite my newb status: https://youtu.be/Ce0BGHdpXno

        Any thoughts or ideas would be much appreciated! Sorry to go on at length despite trying not to.


      • DanaNM
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          Hi there, welcome

          Hmmmm, this is interesting. Does she seem to groom herself OK otherwise? I imagine that would also involve the tongue.

          The video definitely does look like she is not using her tongue as much as most buns too, and I see what you are talking about regarding the “horror mouth”!

          I think that given all her dental work, scarring or some other mobility limitation is a possibility. It could also be a learned change in motion due to “normal” movements causing pain the past.

          I wonder if chopping her veggies into smaller pieces would help her not get juice all over her face?

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        • LittlePuffyTail
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            I can relate with a similar situation, though I really can’t offer any advice on your current situation. My Bindi (sadly passed earlier this year) used to get regular molar trims every 5 months. When he was due and the vet checked his mouth, it turned out that one of his molars was so bad it created an ulcer on his tongue which turned necrotic and about 1/3 of his tongue had to be removed. I was obviously horrified and felt awful (but he had shown no signs he needed his dental earlier) but he recovered from it like it was nothing. However, we wondered about whether he would be able to drink properly. He did go through the motions of drinking but so much of it got on his chin, there was the worry of dehydration.  We ended up giving him Sub Q fluids every day for the next 3 years.

            So, while I have no idea what is causing the issues with your bun, I can suggest the following to maintain her health.

            I suggest you carefully monitor how much your bun is peeing.  Does it seem less than before.

            Does she eat pellets? If yes, perhaps you could try offering them wet and mushy like oatmeal. And lastly, monitor her weight carefully. Bunnies that can’t chew properly can have a hard time keeping weight on. My Bindi certainly did. We had to supplement his daily diet with a few TBSP of Oxbow Critical Care.


          • RLD
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              Thanks very much for your replies. Chopping up the salad is a great idea–seems so simple, and yet it never occurred to me. I’ve gotten into the habit of dabbing off her chin after her morning and evening greens and periodically if she looks like she’s getting a bit drippy. That and some gentle finger and warm water grooming every two or three days has at least kept her so that she never gets green but unfortunately seems to have a perpetual 5 o’clock shadow on her white fur.

              As far as peeing, she still does that quite a bit! And I’m grateful for that… whatever damage that has been done to her tongue doesn’t appear to have affected her peeing/pooping/eating/grooming in any way that I can discern, aside from the sloppy mouth and frequent dribbles around the water dish. To answer your question, LittlePuffyTail, I actually stopped feeding her pellets a while back because I noticed a couple of times that she seemed to be literally inhaling them. If this happened, she would compose herself after a few seconds, acting as if something were stuck in her mouth, but one evening, the apparent difficulty seemed to be enough where I got a full on adrenaline surge as I prepared to do the bunny Heimlich. That was it for the pellets after that event. Whether I scattered them or put them in a bowl, she is such a voracious eater, that she’d just tear into them at high speed… Maybe that was in fact the earliest sign of tongue problems? Really hard to say for me at this point.

              Right now, she gets two big bowls of greens before and after my work, a baby carrot here and there as treats, and unlimited Timothy and Orchard grass hay, which I keep in separate bins that she goes back and forth between as she likes.

              The only other thing I’ve tried is a smaller water dish, to try to keep too much of her face from getting into the water. I also tried different kinds of cutout shapes on pyrex lids over her water dish, but it hasn’t been much use.


            • A Happy Herd of Hares
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                Magpie has terrible front teeth and doesn’t use her tongue when drinking. She does have a bottle though because she’s a Lop, and her ears get wet and then get her wet.
                Before anyone gets worried:
                She has a terrible underbite and the vet showed me how to safely trim her teeth at home, which she has done about once a month.
                I wouldn’t be super worrie about her, but I would of course watch her carefully. Are her front teeth ok?


              • Q8bunny
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                  Perhaps unrelated, but in case it helps somewhat: buns are sippers of water more than lappers (like dogs, for example), which is why water bowls are better than water bottles for them anyways. My little guy uses his tongue very minimally when drinking… and all’s well healthwise.


                • LittlePuffyTail
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                    To answer your question, LittlePuffyTail, I actually stopped feeding her pellets a while back because I noticed a couple of times that she seemed to be literally inhaling them. If this happened, she would compose herself after a few seconds, acting as if something were stuck in her mouth, but one evening, the apparent difficulty seemed to be enough where I got a full on adrenaline surge as I prepared to do the bunny Heimlich. That was it for the pellets after that event.

                    This also happened to Bindi. He ate super fast….and one night I thought I was gonna lose him. He was gagging and drooling and his eyes were bulging. Thankfully, he was able to get it down but after that I always gave him only mushed up pellets.  This was before his partial tongue amputation. Pellets can be dangerous for quick eaters. 


                  • RLD
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                      Posted By Magpie on 11/06/2018 10:18 PM

                      I wouldn’t be super worrie about her, but I would of course watch her carefully. Are her front teeth ok?

                      As of the last vet visit, fronts and molars supposedly all checked out fine. Assuming nothing needs attention sooner, the next follow-up won’t be for another couple of months, but she’s been herself aside from the sloppiness. I’m not too worried about her at the moment, but I’m trying to keep that underchin area under control as best I can. The whole idea of wet fur that gets almost no light or air circulation doesn’t strike me as the best thing as far as potential infections, infestations or whatever.

                       

                      Does anyone know if there would be any harm in grooming that area using some vinegar diluted in water rather than just plain water + towel like I do now? The aim would be to reduce/minimize bacterial growth.


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                        Posted By LittlePuffyTail on 11/08/2018 4:29 PM

                        This also happened to Bindi. He ate super fast….and one night I thought I was gonna lose him. He was gagging and drooling and his eyes were bulging. Thankfully, he was able to get it down but after that I always gave him only mushed up pellets.  This was before his partial tongue amputation. Pellets can be dangerous for quick eaters. 

                        I’m glad he came out of it! I still remember the adrenaline surge I got as I tried to keep calm, thinking that it might escalate to that with her.

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