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So for awhile Nimo and I have done a dance of hay or no hay. He’s on a good veggie diet, pellets, some oats(plain, no sweetened, no anything).
But I’ve tried giving him hay. It causes him to sneeze, violently. I’ve tried different brands, types. Freshly dried, etc. All these days just leave him sneezing. At first he was little and I figured he’d outgrow it, but as time went on I felt bad. I’d try to shake small pieces out, only give him large strands, no matter what, I’d wake up at night to hear him sneezing, and it would last for two days straight with no hay offered to see how long he’d go.
He is perfectly healthy, not a thing wrong with him from his wiggly nose to his fluffy tail, take hay away and he’s happy, content, he doesn’t get stomach issues, nothing is wrong at all. But bring hay into the picture and he sneezes all night and seems to have to stop his hopping just to clear his well, his nose(since rabbits don’t breathe through their throats),
Neither of the other rabbits do this. At. All. It’s only him. This is why I’m questioning things so much, no one else sneezes ever from hay but him, and it’s not for a few minutes, never for a few, it’s hours, sometimes days, and he becomes so displeased looking as it drags on. Like a child with a bad case of hiccups they can’t shake. On top of that, when this first started, I worried it was snuffles, but he never expressed any symptoms and removing hay cleared the sneezing up after a few days, now I know if he had it and was eating hay, I might never know the difference. It worries me greatly to see my boy react like this to hay, but nothing else.
Anyone got any advice? Because after all types and brands, I am ready to just stick to greens and let him have a life without sneezing so much it worries me he’s uncomfortable.
That’s a tricky situation! Have you been to the vet about it?
Have you tried fresh grass?
I have not rang one up, I might call a vet, but not sure if they would have much to say about a rabbit sneezing with no health issues besides just sneezing.
It’s not like it effects him any other way than sneezing, though the sneezing itself causes him obvious discomfort. Airway never gets obstructed, nose sometimes gets runny from hay, but otherwise he’s not swelling shut or having digestion issues. It’s very shaking too, when he sneezes he does full body sneezes that shake him very hard.
What about the fresh grass?
I’m going to guess you mean straight from the garden kind of grass or straight from my yard(untreated, naturally grown, lots of acreage) type grass. I could try that, try growing grass as well. I’d need types suggested to be grown.
I might try that next though. It’d be harder to do over the approaching fall and winter months though, right?
Have you tried compressed hay? Like oxbow hay stacks. You don’t break it fully apart so the dust is quite minimal.
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Yeah, straight from your yard grass should be absolutely fine for him. But yes, it would be more problematic in winter! The good thing about grass is that it has the same teeth-wearing and digestive properties as hay, and since it’s not dried, would hopefully make him sneeze less.
I am curious what that is like. I have raised equine and seen compressed hay cubes in feed bags, most were alfalfa and very firm to the tooth. Looking it up all I am seeing for compressed hay is a massive bale and I assume you mean what you take apart in what we farmers call “flakes”, if it is a hay bale like this, I have tried those. He still sneezes from those, and I have to find trustworthy suppliers who use absolutely no pesticides.
Okay, looked, I’m assuming you mean these?
https://www.chewy.com/oxbow-harvest-stacks-compressed-hay/dp/123587
https://www.amazon.com/Oxbow-Harvest-Western-Timothy-35-Ounce/dp/B00G0TPJZQ
https://www.amazon.com/Oxbow-Harvest-Western-Chamomile-35-Ounce/dp/B00G0TPK96
If so, I have not, but I will definitely look into these.
Correct, oxbow harvest stacks, which comes in Timothy, carrot, and chamomile. I recommend the plain Timothy so your rabbit doesn’t just eat the carrot bits.
The hay stacks are condensed in their dust, so follow the directions which says pull it apart slightly as an “S” and that should reduce dust becoming airborne.
Wick used to have a URI, so I’m very paranoid about his nose.
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What is URI?
Upper Respiratory Infection
Oh, thank you, wasn’t sure.
Check out Sherwood pellets (the Complete ones… Blue bag). They’re for buns who don’t want to or can’t eat hay. That way he gets his fiber ![]()
Just to add that I’ve also been recommended a compressed hay food for buns who can’t or won’t eat hay: Selective Naturals Fibafast (not that I’ve convinced said rabbit to eat it yet).
If you have space, you can grow grass indoors in winter in trays under a cheap, low-power LED grow light.
Oh he will eat hay, it’s just it appears to make him have bad fits for days on end afterwards and it ruins his mood. It’s like it tires him out too. Like sneezing and such wipes him out.
I think the idea of fresh grass is a good option. I’ve also seen that grass can be grown indoors in pots during the winter months… of course space for it will be an issue but it’s worth trying as long as you have the space to make sure the pots have enough sun and warmth and still can’t be reached by your bun (to avoid eating or digging in the soil and eating the entire stash at once).
The Oxbow Timothy hay stacks are worth a try as well. I was pleasantly shocked that my gal liked them!
You need to be careful with fresh grass – many buns’ tums can’t deal well with digesting it at first. They can develop gas and in some instances bloating / stasis. And you need to make sure it’s totally toxin free (so not sprayed, or near busy road, or lawnmowed). Furthermore, buns should never get fresh grass instead of hay. There are exceptions, I’m sure, but grass simply doesn’t have the long fibres hay does.
Focus primarily on getting your bun the fiber – then supplement with other lovely bits. ![]()
Q8bunny, out of curiosity and with full respect – and without meaning to entirely derail the thread! – what makes you think that grass doesn’t have the fibre that hay does? I know that some grass species are better for bunnies, e.g. timothy and other poor quality grasses (biologically speaking, a poor quality grass is one that’s low in protein and high in fibre, so makes high quality food for buns), but hay is simply dried grass. Not trying to argue, I’m just wondering ![]()
I’d like to know this as well, not all hay is equal, as someone who took classes, some hay is gathered after winter, where all the nutritional value leaves the plant to go to the roots. Which is why winter hay for animals is often so much worse for animals. Summer and Spring hay is always superior. So grass during a cold bout is as nutritional as hay from winter.
I’m going to guess this is maybe like some branches and twigs and the fiber is mainly for their teeth, not nutrition?
Scarlet, I think what you’re saying is true for cows and sheep (not sure about horses) because those species aren’t quite so dependent on fibre for their dental and digestive health (obviously as grass eaters they still need a lot, but I think not as much as bunnies). Those species will benefit from the extra protein and nutrients found in grass from the active growing season.
Bunnies are evolved to eat an incredibly low-quality diet and don’t handle foods with a higher ratio of protein or carbohydrates to fibre.
I suspect part of it is also that farm animals are there to produce meat/dairy/etc. so there’s less of an emphasis on what would be best for them over the 15-20+ years of their natural lifespan. They’ll be pumped up with richer foods so they’re more productive. It’s obviously different for pets.
Feel free to correct me if you know otherwise though – I’m an ecologist but not an agricultural scientist!
Terra: When people mention ‘fresh grass’ they’re usually talking about the stuff covering their lawn, so I went with that assumption.
That type of grass may be a ‘grass’ the way timothy or orchard are grasses, but the fiber content is approximately 10% lower than timothy (and in some instances, more), and nutritionally lawn grass is inferior.
Then there’s the matter of dental wear. Fresh grass will never wear a bun’s incisors and molars the way a timothy or meadow stalk will.
Finally, I’m trusting the experience of my (now retired) bunny-guru vet and of the owner of the national Arabian thoroughbred stud farm where I used to live. (Horses and bunnies have very similar fodder needs).
Thank you for taking the time to reply! That’s very interesting to know. I must admit I’m intrigued, since the European rabbit is evolved to eat grasses from around the Mediterranean and on the Iberian peninsula. Time for me to nerd out and do some research on native grasses, I think. It may also be related to the fact that wild rabbits rarely live more than a couple of years so there’s little selective pressure against things that would harm them after that time.
I have often thought that horses are just big bunnies
especially when you see them binkying in the fields.
I actually was thinking of the specialty grasses and seeds they sell in kits to grow for bunnies… like Pet Greens. I have never used them myself, but have pondered the option of planting pots to grow for my BunBun…. but I am lacking space at the moment. These did come to mind though, so I hope I have misinformed anyone.
No worries.
Anything purpose planted is likely to be of a more beneficial variety than sod / lawn seed (at least the weak stuff that grows around here).
I’ve yet to find a list on what grass is good and what’s bad entirely.
I suppose you would be right if this was cattle, etc I spoke of, but the livestock I meant was horses and donkeys. They don’t export anything and donkeys need a lower enriched diet to avoid getting fat, but that was why I was asking. If a hay is too poor for a donkey, wouldn’t it be too poor for a rabbit?
Posted By Q8bunny on 8/01/2018 7:39 AM
No worries.Anything purpose planted is likely to be of a more beneficial variety than sod / lawn seed (at least the weak stuff that grows around here).
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Is there any recommended plants/grass I should try to look into?
I am whatever the opposite of green thumbs is, so only know what I buy from others LOL
You could always go with the classic timothy hay ![]()
Just timothy grass?
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