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FORUM HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Eizen lost a claw. What can I expect?

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    • Lis
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        Hello all! Hoping you can give a gal a little help here. I’ve dealt with all kinds of injuries so I’m confident in my skills. Problem is, I’m used to cats! Rabbits are new to me. Eizen has had a rough few days, and I’m hoping you all can guide me on what to expect/how to care for the little guy.

        three or four days ago Eizen had a bad day. He’s my sister’s lion head, and he sheds. a LOT. It clumps all over his rear. I was brushing it out the best I could, and when I went to go give him back to my sister he heard a noise that startled him and he kicked me. He managed to get out of my hold and took a flying leap towards a door frame. He gently hit it, and wasn’t that high off the ground. A quick check showed he was okay, so I let him go.

        Later that night my cat knocked a pot off my table outside and it shattered. I opened the door to go fix it, and Eizen helped himself out. (He normally is allowed to come out with a human, so he didn’t know better) I caught him quickly, but he did run through the glass. Again a quick check showed he was okay. No glass, no blood. So I let him go again.

        The next morning is where the problems started. He wouldn’t put his front right paw down and was hiding in corners. I was worried about a glass shard, but again a check didn’t show anything. I thought maybe he’d bumped his paw during the fall. I checked several times throughout the day with no change. This went on for another two days with no improvement.

         On the third day I decided this wasn’t normal for a bruise and we needed to REALLY get down there. By now if you touched he it jumped and freaked out. I had my sister hold him in a bear hug and I trimmed the fur way down around his paw. By now we knew the area it was in – his second to last claw on the right. (next to his ‘thumb’) trimming the fur down sent him into shock a bit and he went limp, so I was able to get in close to see what the deal was. There was still no blood anywhere, but the paw joint was swollen. A closer inspection showed there was a tiny amount of blood around the base of his claw. His claw also seemed to be dying and was at an odd angle a bit. It looked like he damaged his claw and was about to lose it. (It was still VERY tight in the socket) When we shook him out of his trance (We felt horrible, but we needed to see) he freaked out… And the claw went flying.
        Luckily I’ve dealt with my bird getting his claw clipped too short, so I quickly ran and got some cornstarch (I couldn’t find the flour right off) there was very, very little blood and it stopped within a minute. I expected the normal amount when they get their claws clipped too short, so it was surprising!

        The next morning he was fine. He’s currently hopping around the house happily. He still hops low, and when he lands he goes left foot first and then puts the wounded one down. Eizen is also still hiding, but he’s willing to come out more. He doesn’t ACT like he’s in serious pain like he was before. If he’s too active he favors his left paw for a while.

         

        Luckily for me Eizen is okay! But I have a few questions.

        1) Eizen LOVES the outdoors. I mean LOVES it. I’m assuming with his claw gone he can’t go outside? Won’t the dirt reopen the wound? 

        2) I’m a little confused at the lack of blood I saw when his claw finally came out. He’s only got a little stump left that I can’t decide if it’s blood or a claw. Should I be worried about something stuck?

        3) Eizen is litterbox trained. I assume poo is bad for his wound. How clean should I keep his box? Replace it every day? Every couple days?

         4) Are there any other signs I should watch for? Rabbits don’t complain like cats do when they’re hurt, and I don’t want to miss anything.

        5) How long will take it for his claw to grow back?

        And finally, looking things up to be sure I knew what I was doing shows Eizen and Edna’s claws are WAY too long, even though I trim them often. The quick has grown out. How do you train the quick back? Do I have to cut their claws at an angle and go under the quick? Or is a blunt edge okay? I want to be sure they both get the most out of life they can.

         

        (I hope I don’t come across as too stuck up! I have horrible allergies today….)

         


      • Nutmeg
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          Hey – I am not a bunny expert myself when it comes to things like injury’s.. so am hoping my reply gives your post a “bump” so others see it!

          I can tell you that you should clean your bunny’s litter every two days tops anyways, but I would suggest every day for right now for sure.
          For getting the quick to start to shrink back the only way I know of is to trim them more often – taking a bit more off as you go – and that will force the quick to start to shrink backwards.

          I hope you never have to trance your bunny again. I know you felt it was a last resort, but a girl I know had her rabbit die from being put in a trance. it has a heart attack Found out that even though they look they are calm and passed out their internal heart rate is gown a mile a minute in fear.

          How is she eating?? One of the first things rabbits do when they are in pain (besides hiding it) is stop eating. Rabbits digestive tracks are like cows, in that they continously need to have food (Hay) going through their system. Otherwise they can get GI Stasis, which can kill them quite quickly. (Always watch for your rabbits being hunched up – or grinding their teeth – or acting like they can’t get comfortable which can be a sign of gas from Stasis and Pain)


        • Nutmeg
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            Oh and good for you for wanting to take the best care of the bunnies!
            ~ I personally would take the bunny to the vet to have the wound looked at – just in case.


          • Wick & Fable
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              Welcome to BB. It’s good to right off the bat acknowledge that you are not wizened on rabbits. Many people jump in and without any malintent, make wrong assumptions which can be harmful to rabbits. It’s a learning process. Signs of an ill rabbit is generally anything out of the norm: suddent aggression, sudden seclusion, unwillingness to move, sitting uncomfortably, grinding teeth, abnormal or no poop/pee, lethargy, lack of appetite… Are all examples of ill health signs, but there can be many more that are context based, like drinking an abnormal amount of water or a sudden change in appetite.

              You mention many questions dealing with wound management and it seems your rabbit has gone through lots of downs recently. My best recommendation is to go to a rabbit-experienced veterinarian to have your rabbit looked at thoroughly, and talk to them about the best courses of action. Every wound has its nuances, but generally check it every day for signs of inflammation and infection. A professional rabbit vet will be able to give you the most appropriate guidance on what ointment you may need and what to expect for recovery. I am not experienced with open wounds so I cannot offer much.

              I highly recommend going through each section of the bunny info portion of this website. It will provide you with the foundation of what to expect, what you need, and what to look out for. One of your best resources will always be a rabbit-experienced vet though! Rabbits are notoriously misunderstood so it’s always good to check online as well as asking a professional.

              The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


            • Lis
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                Trust me, I fully indent to take both buns to the vet ASAP! The only reason I haven’t yet is we’re easily an hour away from the nearest vet (I’m VERY rural) the main road has been cut off due to a wildfire, which adds another two to three hours to the vet depending on traffic. I don’t dare take them as they do NOT handle car rides well on the best of days, and the smoke would scare them worse. I don’t want to kill them of fright.

                I never, EVER thought I’d end up with rabbits, let alone two! I’ve always been a cat person – wounded and strays just tend to find me, it’s weird. My neighbors found out I’m good with cats and started asking me to help with their dog wounds since vets are so far off. Since we also have a bit of land they also for some reason kept dropping off rescues for me to deal with. That’s how I ended up with Edna and Eizen. A neighbor brought them in for breeding from an animal rescue, then found out Edna was a male and hated Eizen. Since the neighbor was an older gentleman he couldn’t really deal with them anyway and they were cooped up in a tiny cage for a year. Word got to him that I was good with animals and…. I now own two rabbits.

                They’ve been pretty good for the post part. I left for a year for school and all hell has broken loose, it seems! Edna has stinky bunny poo and is FAT. Eizen is a crabby old man who likes to attack my cats for fun. As soon as the wildfire dies down they’re going in for a bunny checkup. I guess the stinky bunny poo/runny poo/bloody pee (Or reddish, it doesn’t look like blood to me) has been going off and on for a year. *Sigh* I have my work cut out for me.

                Trust me, I felt horrible about the trance. I kept half waking him to make sure he was going to shake out of it. After 20 minutes of struggling to see what was going on he just kind of did it on his own. I VERY quickly took a look and woke him up.

                Thank you, Wick! I will. They’re pesky rabbits – they don’t like toys, don’t really like treats, LOVE greens, are picky eaters, won’t poo in their litterboxes, and love to tear carpet. Like, a lot. They also don’t like being held/pet, and grooming is a horrible thing to do. Both Edna and Eizen have clumpy rears from lack of grooming.

                I totally understand my family had other issues to deal with while I was away – two deaths in the family – but it irks me how far the rabbits have been neglected. (I know they didn’t mean to, and did the best they can.) I’m back for at least two years, and it seems I just can’t leave a helpless creature alone, so the rabbits are next on my ‘hit list’ since I haven’t had a wounded cat show up lately. (Seriously, nine rescue cats, four rescue dogs, no less than ten different rescue birds, and a chicken. I only sought out one of the animals. The others just happened. I’m cursed)

                I’ll get to work on their claws today since I have the trimmers! Eizen will have to wait a bit, though. I don’t dare touch his paw yet. If I’m in the room he keeps standing in front of me and telling me off, so I know not to touch. At least he doesn’t attack me like he used to.

                Oh! And he’s feeling 100 percent better today. He’s eating like a little piggy (Hay mostly) and hopping around. He’s MAD that I don’t dare let him outside yet, though. I don’t know if he can rip his wound open on the dirt or not. He did rear up on his hind legs and attack me with his front paws, which I take to be a good sign – he’s using his wounded paw. I’ll watch his water intake to see what he’s doing. Edna as well, just in case. (Edna is a picky eater)


              • Nutmeg
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                  Where are you living Lis? If you don’t mind me asking… I’m in Northern Ontario and we are having a horrible time of forest fires right now.
                  And to go over your reply!

                  1. That is amazing that you are doing the best for these animals that are just being handed off to you.
                  2. As far as things hitting the fan…
                  A) Getting Fat isn’t good… unlimited pellets can do that or Alfalfa hay can sure do that (I didn’t mention treats as you said they don’t like them)
                  B) Stinky Poo can be their Cicals if they aren’t eating them… if they are eating a lot of pellets and things and not mostly hay they sometimes don’t eat them. If its true diarrhea that is an emergency.
                  C) Orange pee can sometimes be what they are eating… my boy gets that some times! I’ve read on here that if you want to check if its blood just put a drop of Hydrogen Peroxide on the pee and if it foams up it has blood in it. If it doesn’t then you are ok.

                  3. As for them being pesky rabbits… most of what you describe is my bunnys to a T lol – mine aren’t long haired so thankfully I don’t have that problem for grooming.

                  4. and I totally understand leaving animals with people who aren’t as dedicated to them as you are… well meaning or not. My animals tend to be all consuming for me. Most people just think “oh they are just bunnies” *sigh*

                  Keep us posted on things! and Keep on being an Awesome animal helper!


                • Lis
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                    I’m over on the West Coast, USA. If you can name it, it’s on fire!

                    I’m going to go out on a limb and say their diet is utter garbage. It’s the Wild Harvest brand from Walmart. Edna will ONLY eat the little goodies in the bag, and never the pellets. He’s the one who has stinky bunny poo. Sometimes it comes out in one giant wet log, other times tiny little hard pebbles. Still other times it comes out in tiny moist balls. About 70 percent of the time it’s fine. But when he stinks, he STINKS. He also has stinky bunny gas. It seems to be getting better now that I’ve got him on a workout program. (And by that I mean he has to hop around the yard for five minutes. I give him a very gentle bunny boot if he doesn’t move after a little while – I make sure it’s non threatening or scary so it doesn’t become a bad thing. And then he gets rewards of the ONE treat he will eat when he’s done. He moves for about 2 minutes before he just… quits. You can tell it’s too much, even at a gentle walk) Eizen on the other hand ONLY eats pellets. He’s in better shape than Edna.

                    I have no idea why I didn’t think of the peroxide. I use it all the time to clean up after my ancient cat who has chronic bloody pee (Ultrasounds show he has kidney stones. At 19 there’s nothing to be done.) I’ll test that tonight when Edna pees on the floor again to see what the results are!

                    I know I asked about Eizen and what to expect with his claw, but you guys are super helpful about letting me ramble on about Edna too! I fully admit – I’m not really a rabbit person. It may have to do with the fact that before he got fixed Eizen would block me in the hallway and attack if I got too close, then chase me down if I tried to get away to bite me. The very first time I picked him up he gave me a free mole removal. He also LOVES electric cables. I hate replacing them.
                    Edna is cute, but he’s just a plain black rabbit. He doesn’t really have much personality. I know that’s cruel to say, but it’s true. He’s just… A rabbit. Eizen has spunk and is always getting into trouble, which while annoying is cute. Edna just sits, eats, poops, and tries to eat plastic/bird seed.
                    Regardless, an animal is an animal, and I won’t turn one down. I’ve saved a wild mouse baby before just because it was in distress in the middle of a mouse infestation. If I can do that, surely I can love these two rabbits. And even if I can’t, they’re actually my mother’s and sister’s rabbits, and they DO love them. I just take care of them because I’m kind of obsessed with it. I’m actually going into animal rehab because of all the animals I’ve ended up rescuing.
                    I have no other wounded pets in my care currently, so these two rabbits have my full attention. They’re getting groomed, claws trained, stinky bunny poo fixed, diets corrected, and if I can convince them to do more than stare at walls they’re getting toys. (They’re about 5 years old and have never had more than boxes/cats to play with. The concept of toys isn’t one they know how to deal with) I’m going to do it little by little so that my family doesn’t get overwhelmed with the changes, and make sure it’s the norm for when I leave again.

                    Eizen is also being adorable today. I tried to give him a new water bowl – he tosses his a LOT. He grunted at it, glared at me and thumped, thumped again, and left the cage. I came back an hour later and he’d SOMEHOW managed to move it clear across the room and bury it in a shirt he found. It’s the no spill type with a wide bottom ring so it can’t be moved easily. I guess that means his little nub of a claw must be feeling better. The swelling has gone down, and it’s not bleeding. The lack of blood does worry me (I’m worried something is stuck inside…. I know it’s probably that the claw didn’t totally come out and acted as a stopper before it came out, but still)

                    Anyway! Sorry for the ramble! I’m thrilled to be back and working with animals again. My cats are all being fat and lazy, so the rabbits get it. Nobody here has rabbits, or shares my passion for animals (Heck, they think I’m a loon after I saved the mouse) so being able to gush about the cute little bunnies is nice.

                    And yes, Edna is a girl’s name. Edna is a boy rabbit. I don’t ask.


                  • LBJ10
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                      About the nail… it sounds like the nail cracked, probably when he fell. This isn’t an uncommon injury with rabbits. Sometimes the entire nail does not tear off. Instead, can simply be cracked and the outer “sheath” dies and falls off. There will often be a little nub with the quick inside left behind. This nub will be sensitive and it will take time to heal. This is why there was only a little blood, since the quick wasn’t cut or severed. It was only damaged. It’s sort of like when someone smashes their finger in a door or something. The nail bed is damaged and the nail “dies” and falls off. That’s the best way I can explain it.

                      Anyway, the nail may grow back, but it will take a very long time. You should keep the area clean until the area is at least healed and not causing him discomfort anymore.


                    • Lis
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                        That’s exactly what it looks like. He has a tiny little nub for a claw. Random numbers here, but let’s say the quick WAS an inch long, and now it’s like 1/4th an inch (again, random numbers) That still only counts as damage to it? That’s a bit hard to wrap my brain around for some reason. I did notice before his claw went flying that it was MUCH thinner than his other claws, and darker. It looked like it was dying.

                        I’ll keep him clean and comfortable. I have peroxide, iodine, pet safe neosporin, and a few other medical things for pets due to my idiot cat. He’s mad as heck that I don’t dare let him outside. We have tile floor and he can’t lope around like he wants to. The rugs work well, but there’s space between the rugs. He’s a normally grumpy rabbit, now he’s just furious.

                        I’m lucky it doesn’t seem to be an ER type situation. If he just broke it off I’m comfortable waiting for the fire to die down to get him to a vet. He’s a cute little fluff rabbit, he deserves to be happy.


                      • Nutmeg
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                          Ahhhh yes – the food bags that are more treats than food lol – they are a pain because why eat the healthy stuff when there is all the yummy stuff!
                          It’s like trying to get kids to eat their veggies when there is a McDonalds happy meal beside them LOL

                          Most bunny’s only get a 1/4 a cup of plain pellets (make sure they aren’t alfalpha pellets) a DAY!

                          Mine are only getting 1/8th of a cup as they need to eat more hay – (mine get theirs In the morning) 

                          Then the rest of their diet is unlimited Hay and a bout a cup of veggies (About the size of their head) a day (in the evening)

                          Maybe one treat a day – but I try my best to make that treat a different veggie – Like a small piece of carrot (as they are high in sugar) or a fruit – they love blueberry’s and apple, or just a couple more pellets as they go NUTS for those!
                          They do have the odd other treat from the pet store.

                          *** TRUST ME – they are going to fight you on this. Everyone hates going on a diet lol… but its not really a diet as its all they should have ever been eating lol But just changing what they are eating is going to help with 80% of whats going on health wise. 

                          For toys – i find mine are both different… Penny – my girl – LOVES toys that make sounds… I got her a $3 plastic cat toy with a bell inside and she LOVES to throw it around. Ruppert – my boy – loves things he can destroy, like Cardboard boxes.
                          You can take an empty toilette paper roll and stuff it with hay and a few pellets for them to dig at.

                          And OMG my family thinks I’m crazy too! We found an injured baby bunny (something had obviously gotten into its burrow as he had a bite and we couldn’t find any others or the momma) and we drove 3 hours round trip to get him to a wild life animal sanctuary.
                          They couldn’t believe my hubby and I had driven that far with a wild baby rabbit lol.

                          AND WOW 19 years old is AMAZING for a cat!!

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