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My two boy bunnies are pooping WAY more than normal.
This is your warning for grossness!!
The other day I had to give one of them a “bath” (very shallow water, just enough for his butt) because he had poop stuck to his butt that i could not get off with just my (gloved) hands. It was mushy so Im concerned. It was just the one with the poopy butt (Henry) but they share a cage and so therefore I cannot determine which poop is who’s and the night I bathed Henry I noticed their droppings were soft, whereas theyre usually hard and dry. Their litter box has been needing to be changed more often, and the size of them are significantly bigger!
Also when it comes to litter training, my boys dont poop 100% of the time in the litter box, they always urinate in it though! Ive read its because i have not neutered them (theyre brothers and never fight) but my coworker has a bunny who is not neutered and her bunny goes in the litter box 100% of the time. I give my boys a TON of space, so is too much space though? I would say its about 5ft one way and 4 ft the other (its kind of an oval).
Id love some advice! Thanks!
Can you describe their diets? Soft mushy poops usually means too many rich foods in the diet (pellets, treats, starchy or sugary veggies).
Also, if they are unneutered, they will mark, and especially as you have two? How old are they?
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Like Dana said, poop changes could be due to diet. Did you feed them something different recently?
Bunnies don’t recognise family units so while they may get along now, they may not in the future when they are older. It doesn’t matter whether they are from the same litter or not. How old are they? It’s best to get them neutered at the right age and then go through a proper bonding process to ensure the wellbeing of both.
For litter box habits, I find that it really depends on the bunny. Some are not neutered but have good litter box habits, some are just horrible at it, and some are in between. I don’t think 5ft and 4ft are too big of a space, but how long have you had them? Some people train their bunnies by giving them a smaller space initially because it’s easier to pinpoint where their favourite corner for pooping and peeing is, and then placing the litter box there. Once they are trained, then you can expand the area.
There’s no such thing as too many poops. More hay eating = more poops. It’s concerning that they’re mushy/soft though. What are their diets like?
Also, 5ft x 4ft isn’t really that big so I can’t imagine that’s why they’re not pooping 100% in their trays. It’s most likely because they’re young and not neutered.
If your rabbits are 10 or 12 weeks old or more, it’s really not safe to keep them in the same cage. It doesn’t matter if they are brothers or have grown up together, once their hormones come into play, there is a very good chance that they will start fighting. When rabbits fight, they can inflict severe injuries on each other. They can also come to dislike each other so much that they may not be able to bond in the future, even after they are neutered. They extra poop now could be a result of hormones and territorial feelings. You should separate them now, and not even let them out together at all for play and exercise – they will have to take turns. After they are neutered and have gone through the bonding process, then they can live together again.
I recently gave them “Fiesta Rice Puffs” from Petsmart. I think that might have done it! hes been fine since then. He had no issue before the rice puffs. I feed them mostly pellets and carrots. I really need to force them to eat more hay. Im afraid that if I cut back on the pellets theyll starve even if I give them endless amounts of hay. Is that anything to worry about or will instinct take over and theyll eat the hay?
I got them from someone else, they told me they were about 1 and a half. so now theyre about 2 and a half. The previous owner told me that she let them “free eat” with the pellets. They are both male…Im thinking its time to get them neutured. Its very expensive for just one where I live, but nothing is too expensive for them to be safe around each other! Im going to look into the process!
“Mostly pellets and carrots”
You really need to get them eating hay. It needs to be the bulk of their diet. Do they have any hay at all? And carrots should be fed in moderation, i.e. as a treat.
It is in their cage and I always put some in their litter box (I read that they like to eat and poop at the same time) they have this metal ball thing they love to play with, its actually meant for hay, Im trying to get them to eat more of it by filling their favorite ball with the hay. Im afraid that if I stop giving them so many pellets they will starve or go hungry.. or is that not something to worry about? like will instinct take over and theyll eat the hay?
also, how often should I give them treats? I will definitely be cutting back on the carrots! I want the bunnies to be happy and healthy!
Since they are adults now, you should definitely scale back the pellets, and eliminate or severely reduce the carrots (1/4″ piece a couple times a week would be OK). My 9 lb bun gets about 1/4″ cup of pellets per day, split into two meals, smaller bunnies should get less than that as adults. Carrots and pellets can definitely cause poopy butt. Unless they have a medical issue (or sometimes if the batch of hay is bad), they will eat their hay.
Once you get them used to eating their hay, you should start introducing leafy greens, as they are another important part of the diet. See this page for more info on diet and introducing greens safely:
https://binkybunny.com/BUNNYINFO/tabid/53/CategoryID/2/PID/940/Default.aspx
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It can be tricky getting a stubborn bun to eat hay and I can totally understand your reluctance to reduce his pellets for fear of him starving. It’s going to be tough because you want him to he hungry enough (I. E. From not getting as many pellets) but if he genuinely doesn’t like the hay, there is the risk that he will go without. I don’t know if instinct will take over.
What you could do is get a few different hay types (see if you can buy samples to save ££ if he ends up not liking them) and try hand feeding a few strands to see his initial reaction. Many rabbits love orchard grass as it’s quite sweet. You could even try alfalfa which is usually for young buns or pregnant/nursing buns as it’s quite high in protein but it’s supposedly irresistible. It might help get him used to hay but then of course you’ll need to wean him onto a grass hay such as orchard, timothy, oat etc so keep that in mind, perhaps as a back up.
You could try feeding a very small amount of pellets in the morning (a tablespoon), do the hay taste test and if there’s any that he seems to enjoy, plonk that everywhere. Litter box, ball, pile on the floor etc. Then give him another small portion at night. Try to keep roughly 12 hours between non hay feedings. I do pellets at 5:30am, and fibafirst sticks at 5:30pm. Just hay in between.
Obviously as you’ll need to monitor his eating to see if he is munching on the hay it would be best to do this on a day that you’re home all day.
If he doesn’t appear to be eating, you could give him a tiny amount of pellets midday just so he has something in his tummy but it’ll really be a battle between who will give in first lol.
thank you so much for all your help! I hope they get the hint that they need to eat more hay! I am home all day tomorrow so the hay fest shall begin then!
Does anyone have any idea on how to educate my mom on the importance of this? She thinks unhealthy=fat and she thinks fat animals are cute. Which they can be normal sized and unhealthy, but she doesn’t understand this and thinks I am being mean to them by forcing them to eat mainly hay. I have told her several times how about their diets need to be at least 70% hay and that it is dangerous to continue the diet we have been giving them. Animals arent good at the whole, “oh I am putting on the pounds, better lay off the carrots” they eat what you provide, they LOVE carrots and of course theyre going to pick that over the boring regular foods. ugh frustrated, Ive tried to educate her several times.
Does anyone have any idea on how to educate my mom on the importance of this? She thinks unhealthy=fat and she thinks fat animals are cute. Which they can be normal sized and unhealthy, but she doesn’t understand this and thinks I am being mean to them by forcing them to eat mainly hay. I have told her several times how about their diets need to be at least 70% hay and that it is dangerous to continue the diet we have been giving them. Animals arent good at the whole, “oh I am putting on the pounds, better lay off the carrots” they eat what you provide, they LOVE carrots and of course theyre going to pick that over the boring regular foods. ugh frustrated, Ive tried to educate her several times.
Carrots are like ice cream to bunnies. It isn’t really even about weight, it is about the function of their gut. Rabbits are basically tiny horses. Horses love apples and carrots, but they cannot eat ONLY apples and carrots as they would get very sick.
Rabbit and horse guts need lots and lots of fiber to function properly. They have microbes in their gut that allow them to digest hay and other vegetables where we could not.
You can ask you mom if she would allow you to eat ice cream and cookies for every meal. Even if she did, you would eventually feel very sick and would not get the nutrition you needed.
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You could also point out that wild rabbits live on mainly grass, so you’re providing the natural diet for them, whereas carrots are bunny junk food.
You could also show her this article from the House Rabbit Society http://rabbit.org/the-importance-of-hay/
I read yesterday that rabbit’s front teeth grow 2mm a week, and their back teeth grow 3mm, which is why it’s SO important that they have hay to wear them down – pellets and veggies don’t wear them down, as hay and grass is covered in tiny spikes that work kind of like sandpaper on their teeth to keep them the correct length.
Lastly, you can appeal to her on the money aspect – bunnies with an incorrect diet are far more likely to need expensive vet care!
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