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Forum BONDING Broken Bond and Fighting

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    • Peacester
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        Hey everyone. So I’m a “new” rabbit owner. We’ve had Bugsy for a month and a half and had cooki and Bandit for about a month. So today I let Bugsy roam around in the play pin (which has a spot that gets right up to Bandit and cooki’s cage. Normally I block the cage off but as I want to start bonding Bugsy with them I just added a couple barriers on the cage so no biting would get through the cage. This seems to have brokennthe bond between Cooki and Bandit as when I let them out to play they were fine for while then Cooki made some serious fighting start. I separated them, let them calm down and opened the barrier on the play pen again and Fighting broke out once more. So them I took them to a neutral territory (as I read online), which was the bath tub. And set them in there. Som fighting happened. And mounting and lots of nipping. Then they started to calm down and Cooki would Flop and Bandit would lay down. I added a barrier in their cage currently but I don’t know what to do or how to tell when a fight is going to break out as both have the lol ear style and don’t move them much. Let me know what my next steps should be


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          So you got an already bonded pair, and a single? Are all neutered?

          Its quite normal for a single bun to break the bond between a pair unfortunately. It happened to mine. Since you’ve tried them in multiple spaces and they’ve continued to fight, I would say the bond is broken. You’ll need to keep them separated at all times.

          If you’re aiming to bond them into a trio, assuming they are all neutered, you can start swapping them between hutches for at least a month, so they all get used to each others smells. Then, you can start the bonding process from scratch in a neutral space. I just successfully bonded a two boy, one girl trio, and made a journal of it on here, so you might find that a useful read.


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            Posted By Sirius&Luna on 4/05/2018 3:49 AM
            So you got an already bonded pair, and a single? Are all neutered?

            Its quite normal for a single bun to break the bond between a pair unfortunately. It happened to mine. Since you’ve tried them in multiple spaces and they’ve continued to fight, I would say the bond is broken. You’ll need to keep them separated at all times.

            If you’re aiming to bond them into a trio, assuming they are all neutered, you can start swapping them between hutches for at least a month, so they all get used to each others smells. Then, you can start the bonding process from scratch in a neutral space. I just successfully bonded a two boy, one girl trio, and made a journal of it on here, so you might find that a useful read.

            Yes it’s a male and two females and all are spayed and neutered. And do you have the link to your journal? And I was afraid of that being the case. I’ll get working on building a third cage today are there any tips you might have that aren’t in your journal? Could use all the help I can get.


          • Sirius&Luna
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              My journal is here
              https://binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/aft/165467/Default.aspx

              Honestly, it’s mostly about patience and luck! I would really spend at least a month getting them all used to each others smells, as it really helps to be starting from a non-aggressive place. I also gave them all individual time running around the living room. They covered it in pee and poop – it was awful. BUT, it really helped them get used to the idea that the space was shared, other buns existed, and they would have to cope. It was actually the space where we had our bonding breakthrough in the end.

              You’ll see that I started off with the two boys (Atlas and Luna were previously bonded), who are both very easy going, so I established that there wouldn’t be any problems between them. That made it easier for me, because I knew while I was bonding them, if any fights broke out I needed to focus on Luna. For the first few sessions, I literally didn’t move my hand from Luna’s head, so I knew I could stop her before any fights broke out.

              It helps that I only have one ‘problem’ bun – two of them were willing to get along with anyone, so in my case it was really getting Luna to accept the boys, and teaching the boys that she wouldn’t hurt them. I also found that the pair that had been bonded before were relatively comfortable with each other pretty quickly (Luna and Atlas).


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                Posted By Sirius&Luna on 4/05/2018 9:40 AM

                My journal is here
                https://binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/aft/165467/Default.aspx

                Honestly, it’s mostly about patience and luck! I would really spend at least a month getting them all used to each others smells, as it really helps to be starting from a non-aggressive place. I also gave them all individual time running around the living room. They covered it in pee and poop – it was awful. BUT, it really helped them get used to the idea that the space was shared, other buns existed, and they would have to cope. It was actually the space where we had our bonding breakthrough in the end.

                You’ll see that I started off with the two boys (Atlas and Luna were previously bonded), who are both very easy going, so I established that there wouldn’t be any problems between them. That made it easier for me, because I knew while I was bonding them, if any fights broke out I needed to focus on Luna. For the first few sessions, I literally didn’t move my hand from Luna’s head, so I knew I could stop her before any fights broke out.

                It helps that I only have one ‘problem’ bun – two of them were willing to get along with anyone, so in my case it was really getting Luna to accept the boys, and teaching the boys that she wouldn’t hurt them. I also found that the pair that had been bonded before were relatively comfortable with each other pretty quickly (Luna and Atlas).

                Thanks for all the feedback, this whole thing has really discouraged me but this info helps. I sadly have little time I can give these bunnies (about 3 hours on weekdays) which will make this hard but hopefully things go well. Also when you used a Neutral area did you constantly use one area they hadn’t been in. I couldn’t tell based on your journal, I want to use just the bath tub for them as the house isn’t ours so I don’t have a ton of space. Also how frequently did you switch their cages? and do you switch the liter boxes as well or just move those with them


              • Sirius&Luna
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                  I don’t use the bathtub for bonding because Luna absolutely hates it, which always gets things off on a bad note. I used a table top, which I had put them on before for photos, but that they couldn’t access themselves. I used that space for the first few weeks, then I moved them to a pen on the living room floor.

                  I switched their cages every other day or so. You leave the smelly litter tray, so they can smell the other bunny. Or you can just swap the litter trays instead of whole cages if you prefer, but I find cage swapping less hassle and more effective.

                  To start with I was only doing 10-20 minutes a day, so 3 hours should be more than enough time I really recommend starting very short, and stopping before they have a chance to annoy each other. Luckily I had the 4 day bank holiday weekend to solidify their bond in, so I could monitor them carefully for an extended period.


                • Peacester
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                    Thank you for all of my info Sirius&Luna!

                    Here’s my Plan, So as I want all three Bunnies to get along and eventually share a cage together I will keep them all separate for now. I finished making Bandit his new Cage (I had a old cage floor from Bugsy and a bunch of NIC Cages ) last night and he’s getting adapted to it. So the plan is to have them switch cages every Three days (cleaning the liter box on the middle day). Then after a month of that I will start stress Bonding, Probably going to start with all three in a NIC Grid basket (If I have enough left) on top of the dryer while it runs then move onto the bathtub with a fleece blanket in there (cleaned every time), And before they spend the night together I will do the X-pen and that will also be the thing I have them stay the first two nights in together while I build their shared cage. Now all I have to work on is my patience

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