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Forum BONDING Male/female pair no longer getting along

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    • JMC
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        Hi everyone – first post here, wanted to give a bit of background about my buns and ask a question about behavior. I’ve read through some other threads about similar issues — female showing aggression towards male — and realize that underlying illness could be an issue, I’ll definitely get that checked out. If anyone has any other thoughts they’d be much appreciated.

        I have three rabbits, a pair and a senior rabbit who lives separately (not completely alone, he’s friends with the cat and we spend as much time as we can with them all). we’ve tried bonding them as a trio and still hope to one day, but the two males fought hard so they live apart for now. All are neutered/spayed.

        The pair are a male and female. The male, Chewy, is 3, and the female, Minnie, is 11 months. Minnie is very sweet, timid and shy, and Chew is very friendly and full of life. He’s also huge. He loves to eat everything while Minnie is more picky. I hesitate to call them a bonded pair because while they get along, they don’t snuggle together. The first time they met, Minnie nipped and scratched at Chew, but after going through pre-bonding and bonding sessions, she would groom him, flop by him, and didn’t nip or chase. He mounted her during the early bonding sessions and she didn’t run off/stop him. I haven’t seen him mount her recently at all. They have a room with toys, habitat, etc. They groom, share litter boxes, eat together (he is the faster eater and sometimes intrudes on Minnie, I’ve also started scatter-feeding them in the evenings). So I don’t think they are super close like pairs I’ve had in the past, but they have lived together just fine for 2 months now.

        Early this morning I heard a ruckus – crash, bang, galloping bunny paws, you name it. I went into their room and saw Minn chasing Chew. There was a lot of fur (two small tufts of hers, many larger tufts of his). She was nipping at his butt. He ran under an open-ended tunnel near a wooden playhouse, and lay there on his belly, breathing hard. Just as I crossed the gate and got to them, she nipped at his butt again, and scrabbled with her paws. I separated them and checked for injury – no blood, just pulled fur (he’s shedding this week which makes it worse). She was fine too when I checked her over. I put him on a table to groom him and tidy him up.

        They have free roam of the room usually, but I put them in their cages side by side to feed them. Everything was calm. They both ate all of their food, and are now nibbling hay, so appetite seems ok. Chew came out of his cage while I changed his water and she tried to get at him through the bars, nipping and scrabbling again. I’m worried about letting them out. I let Minn out while I cleaned her cage and she kept going up to him to nip, it wasn’t until I put cardboard to cover his cage that she stopped trying. When I let him out after he did the same thing, so now it seems like they both are upset with the other. I have another room I could let one of them run in, but I don’t want to separate if it’s a bad idea, and let one or the other start feeling territorial. Is it a good idea to move them out of sight of each other for a while? If so, who would I move from the ‘territory’?

        Neither of them has left the other so they shouldn’t smell differently, they eat the same food, they don’t interact with my other male bun, no new animals in the house, no change inside their room…I don’t know what is causing it. Can they just get tired of each other? I can go back to the beginning and pre-bond them again. And get them checked for an illness I can’t see.

        Also, does anyone have a pair like this who seem to get along but aren’t super close/snuggly? I’m wondering if they never truly liked each other and this caused a problem after time. Or maybe Minnie wants to be dominant now. If I’m making any obvious mistakes please let me know, I really want them to be happy and will do all I can to help them.


      • Sirius&Luna
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          Hi and welcome to the forum!

          It’s clear you really care about your bunnies! I’m on mobile now, so not typing as long a response as I would usually – excuse the briefness.

          They sound bonded! Bonded bunnies aren’t always super snuggly, and bonded bunnies do have hiccups like this sometimes. Sometimes it is hard to know why. After two months it could be that Minnie feels more confident and wants to be top bun – generally, in male female pairs the girls are.

          Since there were no injuries, I would try a few extra bonding sessions. What worked for them when you were bonding them before? If stress bonding helped, try that, if banana on head worked, try that! I think it sounds like they need some cementing. Personally, I wouldn’t say they need to be separated yet, but do monitor carefully.


        • sarahthegemini
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            I’ve written a response twice and lost it both times. Let’s see if third time is the charm!

            How very scary It’s upsetting when a bonded pair have a scuffle. For what it’s worth – it does sound like they were bonded despite not being particularly snuggly so I wouldn’t doubt that Having said that, I wonder if there was a bit of a shake up/attempted shake up in regards to dominance. I’ve recently dealt with that with my two – there was a bit of chasing, both too stubborn to groom the other but after some counselling (apple juice on heads daily for a week) and lots of supervision, they sorted out whatever their issues were without anyone getting stressed (apart from me lol) or hurt. It sounds like yours was a little more serious but as no bun was hurt, I wouldn’t opt for separating them if you’re able to really devote some time to observing them. Could you decrease their space a little and/or return to neutral territory and observe them? Sort of try cementing their bond again?


          • LBJ10
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              Another thought… has anything in their environment changed? Anything that might cause stress?


            • JMC
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                Hi again everyone, thanks so much for your replies and ideas. When first bonded we did some stress bonding, and this got them to go from Minnie Nip Mode to grooming. We did the banana trick. So I can go back and try that again, and smoosh them together side by side. As of this morning they are still unhappy – nipping through the bars, Minnie trying to scrabble. She seems to not like him at all. Maybe the bond is broken. Again, I have to put cardboard around the cage to get them to ignore each other. Yesterday I worked all day, so I let Chewy run around in the other room, so he wasn’t stuck in his cage. They’ve both explored this room before and like it. I put Chew back in their own room when I got home so they could eat together and stay together overnight. I really don’t know where this came from, after 2 peaceful months together. I don’t want to shut one of them in their cage so I might have to use the other room again today. At this point I don’t know if they need time apart, or if they will calm down and get over this problem.

                I don’t really have a neutral space. Will that be a problem, if they can only have bonding sessions in places they both know? The reason is because my other male rabbit lives in the other spaces, so they will smell like him, and I don’t want that to cause extra problems. So while I do have a spare room, it’s one Chew and Minnie both already know and have spent time in together, not one that’s completely neutral. I guess I could use the bathtub again, it’s been some time since they were in there and hopefully they’ve forgotten (we used it when first trying to bond a trio but it didn’t go well).

                As for environment changes…the only thing that has changed is that about 3 days before the fight in my original post, I put a small shoebox filled with timothy hay in the middle of the room. There are piles of hay in their cages – the cages are left open all day and they both hop in and out of each other’s, taking what they like. Neither have shown possession over these areas. Do you think the new hay box, which I just put there as an extra forage option/activity for them, could have caused a rift?

                I wish I could go back a few days and get there before they fought, so I could try to diffuse it (and also see what it was all about)! It’s stressful.


              • sarahthegemini
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                  Do they have separate cages? Before you separated them, whilst bonded? I’m a little confused.

                  I wouldn’t have thought that putting a hay box would cause such a rift. If they are prepared to get a bit nasty with each other over that, I wouldn’t be comfortable calling them bonded. Everything else you said about them really does sound like they were bonded tho so I don’t think the hay box caused the problem.

                  If neutral territory is really impossible, you could try it in a room they are familiar with but disguiseit – you could put a new towel on the floor, pop up a pen and cover the sides with cardboard so they can’t see out/won’t recognise where they are.


                • JMC
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                    They have their own cages from when they were first adopted, and kept separate at home, before and during pre-bonding.. Both cages are still in the room with the doors open. Before this problem they weren’t using them for anything other than hopping in and out, to get hay and water. So the cages are in there and they could go in both if they wanted to, but they weren’t shut inside. They have the whole room. At the moment I have put the cages side by side, so they can see each other, but not touch when feeding them pellets. I thought if I only used one cage, and left one rabbit out in the room, the other one might be upset by that? Can try a different approach if you think two cages is unnecessary here.

                    I didn’t think the hay box would be the cause, but as it was the only change in their room in recent times, I thought it was worth mentioning. I’ll definitely try disguising a room, thanks for the idea.


                  • Sirius&Luna
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                      I see you said you have another male rabbit? So 3 rabbits in total? How long have you had the other male? How far away does he live from them?

                      Getting a third male recently caused problems between my bonded pair. Since they’re a pretty new bond, I would have thought that could be a potential cause too.


                    • JMC
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                        Yes, three in total. We have actually had our other male, James, for much longer than the other two. We originally adopted a second rabbit  last year as a companion for him, and then there was a third who also needed a home, and the trio bonding was not successful. We might try again in the future, we will see. Minnie and Chewy showed interest in each other during the trio bonding attempts whereas James didn’t seem to like anybody. So we separated them all for a while and started pre-bonding and bonding again, this time just Minnie and Chew. They live upstairs and James is downstairs, separated by two sets of stairs. In theory James could go upstairs as he’s free-roam but he never has, he mostly stays in a corner of the room he likes best and occasionally hops around the rest of the downstairs. There’s a gate across Minnie and Chew’s door so he couldn’t get access to their room if he did one day go upstairs. They don’t see each other.

                        James’s smell could be on me if I go between their areas. You’re right, even though he’s not new to the house, his scent could bother them. I think as has been said their bond seems not very cemented and I will need to go back and work better at it this time.

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