Sending some {{{vibes}}} across for Luna.

It’s a bit of a chicken or egg scenario isn’t it. Im leaning toward her out of character behaviour being due to not feeling right. As for Nimbus, I suppose he could be the age where hormones are coming in and changing his scent and smell of urine. But Id be surprised if it’s enough to cause her to go off food.

Would she eat some baby fruit puree? Fresh grass or some other forage? My “go to” foods are willow and rose leaves.

ETA: regarding treatment, subQ fluids could help, along with motility med and pain med. Some vets just give ranitadine (zantac) rather then metaclopramide or cisapride.

Glad to read she took the parsley.
Rabbits can be so weird when like this and all the favourites are snubbed, but they’ll eat something they’ve 1) never had before or 2) turned their nose up before.

I hope the vet will be able to discern what is going on and help her out. You might even find the ride to the vet helps! Ive had that happen before. The motion must have helped move some gas or something.

Oh no, I’m so sorry to hear this How old is Nimbus now? Old enough for hormones…? Although I’d probably assume she took frustration out on Atlas due to feeling poorly. We all know bunnies hide sickness so she would have been feeling a bit rough before showing symptoms. Vibes for Luna xxx

Sorry to hear this about Luna. Tricky one! Are you taking Luna and Atlas together to the vets, that may help ?
It could be Nimbus coming of age… or a mixture. So hard to tell.

Or maybe its Atlas having some sort of hrmonal reaction to Nimbus’s coming of age which is making Luna uncomfortable….??

((((luna)))

Good luck. (Ps what vets is open on a Sunday??) what part of London?

Oh well then. Nothing better than the RVC !!!! You should be in good hands. ((( Luna )))

Ok. So you need high value treatiepops, and a gentle finger massage under belly, lifting bum slightly to help those farts fly out.

(((((Luna)))))

Great that she’s eating! Hopefully poop will soon follow!

It’s sad that people tend to wait that long before bringing the bun in. With dogs, they always say “He’ll eat when he’s hungry” and in 99 of a 100 cases, the dog will eat when it’s hungry. But buns are not dogs =(

Yay for bunny turds!! Phew! Has she continued to poop? Is she eating still?

I can’t believe some people wait for 4 to 5 days of no eating before seeking vet care. How do their rabbits survive?! I wait less than 12 hours…

It sounds like she’s on the right track Yay!

(((((Healing Vibes for Luna)))))

Hmm, when Buttercup had stasis the most recent time it was very up and down over the course of a few days. No underlying issues and she made a full recovery and has been fine since *touch wood*

At least she has a fighting chance. I’m sure she’ll be just fine. Vibes for you and your trio and most of all (((Luna)))

Posted By Sirius&Luna on 1/08/2018 4:37 AM

Thanks for the reassurance Sarah!

She’s just been admitted to the vets – they’re keeping her in so they can keep going with the intravenous fluids and pain meds. They said it sounded like she perked up in time with the medicine and deteriorated again as it wore off yesterday.

She also had small sharp points on her back left teeth, but the vet said she didn’t think it was bad enough to be the cause.

They’re keeping her in for 24 hours to try and get her eating again, but if she’s not getting better in that time then they’ll start doing some tests tomorrow.

I lost track of how many times we were going to and from the vet plus she had an overnight stay but as I said, no underlying cause. It was just a tough period. 

If Luna’s teeth were the cause I would have thought it wouldn’t have come on so sudden but perhaps worth looking into? 

((((Luna))))

My Yohio had very small molar points the first time he had them burred. The burr was preceded by 3 weeks of syringe-feeding, because the vet couldn’t find anything wrong with him. So eventually, she decided it could be his teeth after all. I don’t know if it really was of course, but 5 days after the burr his appetite was back to normal again. 6 months later, he needed another burr.

Late to this, but sending vibes for (((Luna)))). Get better darling girl!

What a scare! Good decision to admit her to the vet, I hope that she’ll be back on track soon! Sending you all the (((vibes)))

It sounds like she’s in the best place and in very capable hands *hugs*

Hurrah for poops! Keep on going girl ^_^

Sounds good so far!

Pets typically are more compliant with people they don’t know. A vet tech can often clip the nails of a bunny or dog that wouldn’t let the owner anywhere near their paws.

Yay, excellent news! Well done Luna, I’m sure once she’s home and comfortable she’ll be back to eating happily again

It’s hard to say. Nimbus could be the variable that made her act out, and the necessary separation could be the trigger for her poorly tum. I’m tempted to recommend that you keep her eating and pooping and give it time, but sometimes one needs to be more proactive about resolving the underlying cause (some bonding/rebonding exercises??)

Either way, continued (((Luna))) vibes from us.

Hmm… maybe. Cabbage and related veg make Choo gassy.

Glad you are able to bring her home today.

((((Luna schpoona))))

Aww no, poor girl! So hard to watch them struggling like that. How is Atlas doing without his friend?

The good news is she’s home! Hopefully she’ll continue to improve on the meds and being near her bun mom and Atlas

Give her some snuggles from me. It’s so hard to see them unwell. (((((Feel Better Luna)))))

Extra cecals is probably due to the CC.

Loss of litterbox habits is probably because she’s not feeling well.

Please keep improving, ((((Luna))))

I’m glad she’s back home with you =)

Yay, more great news

BTW: parsley is a strong diuretic, we found this out the hard way with Breintje. We’d taken him to the vet twice already for his pee issues, but we had no idea that it was the parsley that we had introduced to his diet. He loves it too, and will eat whole bunches if you let him. But it made him launch huge streams of pee all through his cage, and he drank like mad. We thought he was developing diabetes or kidney issues. When I told my dad he started to laugh. In his native Limburgish dialect the word for parsley “piskroed” can be translated as “pissweed”… Subtle, but great folk wisdom. Appearantly it’s been a folk remedy for ages, even for humans. Breintje occasionally gets one or two sprigs nowadays, and it’s become our first test to check if he’s ill. If he’ll refuse parsley it’s time to get the tummy meds out!

Best check if it doesn’t make her pee like a mad weasel, and that she drinks enough to stay hydrated. If it doesn’t affect her so strongly, let her enjoy it lots All the best for little Luna, keep on getting better!

Yep, I’m careful when feeding parsley to Panda and Fernando for those reasons. They get it every 2-3 weeks with their weekly greens (this week, in fact), and only as maybe 10% or so of their evening salad bowl, and that their water bowl is full and refreshed twice-daily.

Glad to read she’s doing better If you have some, you can try to offer her sage, mint and basil. My bun appreciates them a lot, even if he gets them only as a treat every now and then.

Litterbox issue can be because she’s not comfortable making the little jump to get in, or she’s just still a bit sore in general and isn’t keen on moving around too much. Time to clean extra, I guess. But at least it’s that kind of cleaning that you always are happy to do

S&L and Ellie – Yeah. No parsley for Wick ever. Never again. His tiny bladder can’t take its strong diuretic powers. I could hear his pee stream from across the room, it was so intense and massive…. And frequent.

When Wick is uncomfortable from dental problems, he stops peeing in his litter box, so discomfort and potential increased need from parsley could be contributing to the temporary lapse in litter box habits.

K has done that too while recovering. Probably they feel safer by being somewhere that has a strong smell of them? Just wondering

If it’s happening how I’m imagining it, I think it’s just the result of rabbits not knowing we want the poop and pee to land in the box, not them just in it.

Glad to hear she’s eating!

I have never had any issues with Ophelia and parsley! In fact, I have been giving her a little bit for the last three days because I made a dish with it and had all of this leftover parsley. She doesn’t get it often at all because I know of it being one of those high oxalate herbs.

What about other herbs? My sister had an herb garden for a while and Ophelia nommed on everything- basil, mint, lavender, oregano, thyme, rosemary… can these herbs be given often or should they be limited as well?

Ellie- I always love your stories, cracks me up!

Posted By BunNoob on 1/10/2018 8:28 AM

Glad to hear she’s eating!

I have never had any issues with Ophelia and parsley! In fact, I have been giving her a little bit for the last three days because I made a dish with it and had all of this leftover parsley. She doesn’t get it often at all because I know of it being one of those high oxalate herbs.

What about other herbs? My sister had an herb garden for a while and Ophelia nommed on everything- basil, mint, lavender, oregano, thyme, rosemary… can these herbs be given often or should they be limited as well?

Ellie- I always love your stories, cracks me up!

Most other green herbs are fine according to HRS. I generally get P&F sage, mint, dill, or cilantro from week to week as accents to their daily green salads – the last two weeks, it’s been cilantro and then parsley, so it’s probably time for them to have some sage (one of their favorites, with the caveat that I used to offer it to them as treats but Fernando doesn’t much seem to care for sage by itself though Panda does).

Ophelia loooooves sage. I haven’t been giving too many fresh herbs lately because my sister killed her garden, but I have the dried herbal blends from SPS and she really enjoys those….but we may need to get back to fresh herbs because the blends are quite expensive. I thought that I read that others were fine, but you can never be too sure when it comes to the buns! Thanks Joe

It’s totally fine to feed it to her if it doesn’t affect her so strongly as it does Breintje and Wick. Of course, in case of stasis, we’re all glad if she eats at all. But I wanted to warn about the possible diuretic effect when taken in large quantities, because it’d be a real tragedy if she got dehydrated on top of her current condition

@Wick, same here: I’d nearly recommend him to the local fire department. I know guys love to brag about being able to produce a massive stream, but this was a bit too much for my taste. It also seemed painful because there was so much pressure behind it. And the noise…

@S&L, BunNoob: Thanks ^_^ Dutch humor is crude and a bit over the top at times, but we use it a lot in our daily speech. Work hard, and take a swing at anything which is good and holy as often as you can We’re a nation of practical jokers, which sometimes backfires spectacularly. Historally odd nicknames were often given to people, which they used as some badge of honour. But the French wanted to make family names official when they ruled here in the early 1800’s. So now some actually have names like “Mr. and Ms. the Bent or the Crooked” but also “Mr. Jan Born-in-the-nude” and “Ms. Poopies”. Mature, isn’t it?
Here’s the history behind it: https://www.rnw.org/archive/mr-born…mall-poops

I’m glad to hear she’s almost back to herself. I don’t think an extra week or so will be bad for her. If you vaccinate closely upon some health issue the body might not have the capacity to make the antibodies the vaccine is supposed to trigger the production of. In which case the vaccine does no good. But do ask your vet. They always want to make sure the animal is healthy before vaccination. If its the RVHD 2-vaccine Filavac, it’s an inactivated vaccine, so there’s no risk of her contracting the disease from it.

So sorry to hear about Luna, but glad to hear she’s much improved!

I would delay the vaccine, it really shouldn’t be given to a bun that’s just come out of illness.

They need to be at their healthiest for it to work best without any complications.

Wow, that’s great news! It always surprises me how quickly those little fuzzballs bounce back to health. They can get ill really quickly, but they’re also quick to recover (although it never feels fast enough for us). Kisses and noserubs for Luna

(About the names: people aren’t ashamed of it, most of us see it as a quirky bit of our national history and have a good laugh about it.)

Poor Luna, I’m glad she’s getting better! I agree, it would probably be best to wait with the vaccine.

Glad to hear the improvement.

I’m late seeing this, but really happy that Luna is so much better!!! And to know that there is yet another person that counts bunny poop ?. I actually put Luke’s in an antique candy dish so I can check them for foreign objects. Good thing I don’t have company often lol.

So glad to hear she is improving! Lots of good vibes for a full recovery. It really is relieving to see their personality come back and see the fight come back in their eyes. We want feisty buns!

I, personally, would delay the vaccination appointment for a while so she can have a solid couple of weeks to get back into the swing of things. Others might have a better answer since I don’t live in a country where rabbit vaccinations are required but you mentioned her hating the car so it might be better to push the appointment off for a little bit than add any undue stress right now.

Yay for Luna! So glad she’s bounced back