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Olaf is having some GI trouble. Yesterday morning he was up, as per usual, ready to start the day at 6:00 AM. I let him out to run around and offered him pellets and a few sprigs of parsley, as I do every morning. He ate both happily. Around 8:00 AM I offered him his morning greens (baby spring mix) and he wasn’t interested. This is highly unusual. He then started flopping uncomfortably and hopped into his litter box. He laid there, uncomfortably, for about twenty minutes.
This has happened once before, almost a year ago, and after about three hours he was back to his usual self. The same thing happened yesterday – he felt better, gobbled up his greens and hay, and was back to his usual self last night. Other than that initial straining in the litter box, his poops are normal sized and in quantity. No hair clumps. Not too small or dry in appearance.
Unfortunately, this morning, the exact same thing happened again. He was looking and seeming great upon waking up but by 9:00 AM he wouldn’t take his greens and was flopping and pressing his stomach to the floor. Another litter box laying session.
I have an appointment this afternoon at the vet but since this is the first time I’ve have a serious problem with Olaf I wanted to see what you all thought and what I can do until then. My first thought is gas, rather than a blockage, because he’s been eating and pooping in between these bouts of pain, but I can’t be sure until he’s looked at. His belly isn’t distended but I still get paranoid about bloat.
I, stupidly and regrettably, don’t have any baby gas drops but will get some ASAP. Can anyone recommend an American brand to buy?
His usual diet:
Morning: Pellets (1/8 cup); a few sprigs of parsley (1-3 stems), 1 cup baby greens; big handful of Small Pet Select oat hay.
Evening: Pellets (1/8 cup); 1 cup baby greens; 1 baby carrot.
Unlimited Oxbow orchard grass hay is in his litter box rack at all times.
Thank you for listening.
For US gas drops, you can just go to a CVS, Walgreens, or whatever drug store is near you. The store-brand/equate drops have worked fine for me. I always get anything unflavored, and make sure simethicone is printed on the box.
Did his first episode/second episode of this happen to coincide with when you regulated his diet? So settling on parsley, baby greens, etc..? Or has his diet changed between episodes?
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Thanks, Wick. I really appreciate the help. I’ll definitely look for the store brand simethicone.
His diet has been this regimen for about a year now. I haven’t given him anything new recently, but he does get a few tiny pieces of dried papaya as a treat. That has been consistent since I’ve had him so not a new food.
I did have someone babysit him over Christmas. That would have been over a week ago and they had the same food and diet instructions as I wrote above. She says she feeds him exactly what I wrote but I assume there is probably some variation. That said, he didn’t have any trouble until yesterday morning.
Depending on what the vet advises, I’m thinking about offering only (unlimited) orchard grass/oat hay and his usual portion of greens for a day or two, is that safe/helpful to do?
To my knowledge, pellets are the primary source of the essential nutrients your rabbit needs to keep going, more so than fresh veggies, so I think limiting veggies is a fine approach. Sometimes, a rabbit’s gut flora just doesn’t agree with even safe veggies.
I would recommend, though I understand not everyone finds it as enjoyable as I do, watching your rabbit eat hay, and see what sort of pieces he’s going for and how much he’s actually consuming. Wick spends a lot of time in his litter box, but honestly, most of the time is him displacing pieces of hay to find that single one he wants. This way, you can have confirmation that his hay diet is as healthy as you suspect. It’s also nice bonding time too. I brush off hay dust flakes that get on Wick and sometimes help him find the pieces he likes the most.
Just as a trial, maybe cut out oat hay. I’ve heard of some people who’s rabbits develop gas because of selective eating of the seeds, or just a general reaction to digesting oat hay specifically.
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Panda and Fernando customarily dig in to eat their hay refreshes as soon as I put it in their litterbox in the mornings and evenings, then they go back in after they have their pellets/greens – they generally take turns but sometimes go in together. Behavior is pretty much standard rabbit foraging, they can be in there for a good 10-15 minutes at a time looking for the perfect piece. They generally eat at least 75% to 90% of their greens bowl per evening, depending on whether they find it to their taste that day; the last few days, there’ve only been a few leaves left in the bowl (I’ve been giving them collard greens and cilantro this week in addition to the base spring mix, they seem to quite relish that). I’d been noticing that they recently had been leaving some pellets in their bowl at the end of the day, but I gave it a good washing out last night and this morning they went straight for the pellets and downed them enthusiastically.
I too just go with the store brand unflavored baby gas drops. Are the greens he’s been eating lately organic or from a different store? I know you wash his veggies, but since some pesticides are harder to wash off than others maybe there was some residue on his greens or something? Does he look like he is straining when he is peeing (uti)? If not, then I agree with you that it sounds like gas. ((((Olaf))))
Have you tried giving him a tummy massage? That could help. Hope he feels better soon!
UPDATE.
Thank you, everyone, for replying. It really means a lot to me. We had a rather eventful day but I will say right off the bat, even though it was an awful experience, Olaf seems to be feeling much better.
He was looking rough this afternoon. He wouldn’t eat, drink, or react to any attention or massages. He just sat loafed in the corner with a sad, uncomfortable look on his face. I knew we had to go so I took him to the vet before our appointment out of concern. They took him in right away and I explained the situation as well as the fact that Olaf hates to be handled. This is true about most rabbits but Olaf is a serious fighter. No biting or scratching, just hard leg kicks no matter how he’s subdued.
When the vet came in I told him this again. He tried to flip Olaf over and as soon as he was on his back, Olaf freaked. He kicked out and darted across the table. He tried to grab him. I tried to grab him. It was a frenzy until, shockingly, Olaf leaped off the table and onto the floor. At least a three foot drop. He scurried under the bench seat and I had to nearly crawl under to get him out. I think he was in shock (as was I) so he didn’t react when I picked him up and put him back on the table. It wasn’t until then we noticed blood on the towel he was standing on. His nose was bleeding and I thought for sure he hit his head and was horribly injured. I almost burst into tears.
After a bit of examination of his mouth and nose it was determined that he must have hit his nose on the way down, causing the bleeding. There was nothing wrong with his teeth, tongue, or face. His spine and neck were fine, too, thankfully. It was just bleeding from the landing. Moving on, he was given sub-q fluids for dehydration. No blockages or masses were felt, nor bloat. The vet thinks it was a bad case of gas that led him to lose his appetite. He was pooping at the office, good in size and quality, so his gut is still moving.
He was prescribed 3/4 mL Metoclopramide every 12 hours via syringe and a small dose of Laxatone which is supposedly a lubricant for hairballs (usually in cats). I’ve read that the Metoclopramide can be helpful but that the Laxatone is not ideal for rabbits and can even make GI problems worse?
Any suggestions on the medications before I administer anything tonight would be greatly appreciated. He is currently eating and drinking very well.
Oh no his wonderful booplesnoot
. So scary. I’m glad he is ok though. I agree with the Metoclopramide, but I’ve never heard of the Laxatone. ((((Olaf))))
Thank you, Luna! He’s doing really well this morning. Perky, alert, and super hungry. I would be too after this ordeal! He’s been nomming on lots of hay and got some damp greens for a little extra hydration. I cut back on the pellets a little just to see how he does but he seems more interested in the hay anyways so I’m happy he’s getting fiber that way.
He’s also using the litter box regularly and showing some great droppings (only rabbit people love that!). I went ahead and gave him the Metoclopramide (each dose 12 hours apart) and he seems to tolerate it. I decided against the Laxatone. It is a petroleum-based product (yuck) and seems to be used mostly in cats for hairballs. Rabbit medical sites seemed to suggest it could actually gum up the intestines, rather than lubricate them, and I didn’t feel strongly enough about using it.
This was our first vet-necessary bout of illness so I appreciated your support for Olaf. :]
Glad to hear he’s doing well! I would’ve done the same regarding the meds. Any ideas as to what may have upset his tummy?
Thank you! The vet thought it may have been a rough bout of gas in his system (not true bloat) that caused enough pain for him to stop eating and drinking. Both of which caused dehydration which may have slowed his gut even more without becoming full-blown GI stasis. He never stopped pooping, only went less often and had some dry droppings, which were probably making him even more uncomfortable.
The sub-q fluids really perked him up and got him going again. As soon as he was running around and in don’t-touch-me-mom-I’m-really-busy-zooming mode, I knew he was feeling more like himself. :]
I’m glad he’s feeling better. Bunnies that cute should never be sick. ![]()
Awe, thanks LPT. I agree! :]
How genuinely stressful! Thank goodness he didn’t hurt himself jumping off that table!
How is he now? I don’t know anything about the Laxatone first hand. I remember RabbitPam has mentioned that it used to be prescribed to bunnies all the time, but then they stopped prescribing it.
(((((Olaf)))))
Cruuud. This explains your other post.
Ok. First off, glad he’s doing better. His poor, precious snoot.
Second, given the appetite and poops, but pained posturing, I agree about the major gas. In which case, you want to avoid potential gas triggers like oat hay and… fresh veg (greens or coloured or fruit etc).
Keep him on orchard grass and tiny amounts of pellets (max 1tbsp twice a day) until this resolves completely.
Give meds as prescribed and make sure he stays hydrated, but skip the Laxatone. My vet poopooed it very vocally and then went on a rant about how bunnies are NOT cats despite certain skeletal similarities etc etc.
Keep us posted on his highness.
Thank you Bam and Q8! Much appreciated, both in support and advice.
He’s doing much better today and seems to be as happy and hungry as ever. Also having great litter box… erm, events! :]
I will definitely cut back on the greens and oat hay. He seems to be naturally craving the orchard grass anyway so I’m wondering if he instinctively knows it’s better? He’s been sticking his whole head in the orchard grass hay bag and coming out looking like a hay monster. I did cut back the pellets, too, giving him 10-12 pieces in the morning and night, so hopefully the hay and pellets will keep him feeling well.
So glad to hear the Laxatone is a bad idea. Maybe it works in some instances but as soon as the vet said “it’s for cats.. and rabbits, too” I knew something was fishy. He’s still tolerating the metoclopramide and should have his last dose tomorrow morning.
Fingers crossed!
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