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Hi guys,
In June, I brought home Tula, a Lion/Lop mix who is probably a year or so old. I was fostering her for a rescue and ended up adopting her because of her sweet disposition. She had been a stray for 3 months, and gave birth around the end of May, and sadly lost all 5 kits. She was very fearful when I brought her home, and gradually became very friendly to everyone in my family. She often solicited petting and happily hopped over to greet everyone. She was spayed at the beginning of August. Prior to getting spayed, the only behavior issue we had was occasional spraying, but it was honestly minimal and stopped a couple weeks before I got her spayed.
A few weeks after she was spayed, I transitioned her from being primarily in a large dog crate overnight (on a screened-in patio during the day) to a large ex-pen with fleece on the bottom. She would destroy the fleece, so I replaced it with foam puzzle squares. She began to move the puzzle pieces (still getting outside time daily). This is primarily when the aggressive incidents began. My family members began to tell me that they would try to “fix” the puzzle pieces and she would charge at them, and even bit a few times. She never did this to me, so I figured it had to do with the fact that she didn’t know them as well, but I told them to stop and leave it for me to deal with. I used to sit each morning and pet her before work, and I noticed that if I would move her hay bag (small sleeping bag with hay in it), she would lunge at it. Then she began to lunge at me when I touched the puzzle pieces. I started to feed her treats every time I reached into her ex pen to move anything. We haven’t had issues.
I do a lot of positive reinforcement training with her, and we had been working on walking to and from my patio and her ex pen. My patio has a 4 ft. trellis fence to separate her from the doors to the outside and inside of the house. Before I open the gate to allow her to come in, I began to ask her to touch her nose to a ball on the end of a pole, a behavior she has learned. I did this because she would just sit and chew at the fence while I unlatched it, so I did not want to reward that behavior, so I asked for something different. She rushes the pole so quickly that I am honestly not sure if she is aggressively lunging or overexcited. She never bites the ball or growls. She doesn’t do this when I ask her to do it before we open the slider to go inside, or, honestly, any other time I ask her to do the behavior.
This past weekend, when I put her outside, she seemed hypervigilant and jumpy. She would startle at many noises and did not seem at ease at all. She refused to come out of her cage to go outside, and was not as friendly towards me. I notice her often sitting in her cage with her ears up (she has helicopter ears) as if she is freaked out. I bunny-proofed the room that her ex-pen is in and let her run around in there since she seemed very fearful of the outside. She has played in this room many times when it is really hot outside, but now she has begun to charge people’s feet when they go into the room. I honestly can’t tell if it is aggressive or excited. Her ears are floppy while she is doing it, and she stops to stand on my feet. There is no growling or biting. My family is afraid of her, and I don’t understand what is going on. Is it possible that her cage aggression could be expanding to her play areas? What happened to my sweet bunny? Everything I try to find on aggression says “spay and it will get better.” Our problems seem to have cropped up post-spay. I have had two intact males and NEVER had issues with aggression. I know females are more “spicy,” but this seems just bizarre. She has always been a little moody, becoming more slightly more reserved every month-ish, but I feel like it’s getting out of control. She has always seemed to enjoy petting and tactile in general, and she does not seem to want to “hang out” like she normally does.
For right now, I plan to do what I did with her ex pen and feed her a treat as I step into her area, but I can’t help but feel like there is something I’m missing. I apologize for the super-long post, but I wanted to give as much detail as possible. To add insult to injury, I am an animal trainer by trade. I understand how to deal with aggression of many types and forms, from dogs to primates to tigers to birds, but this is really puzzling me. I will be so grateful for any and all help or insight you guys can provide!
Rabbits have a completely different mindset than the animals you have experience training. While they can make the same basic connections with positive association, they do not have the structure to learn and modify as readily, especially if any high emotion, such as fear or excitement is interrupting their train of thought. It’s working against you to think of the rabbit like the other species you’ve worked with. Behavioral modification and both conditionings work to some extent, but rabbits are not going to settle as readily to making such associations if it doesn’t make sense internally as a prey animal or if a high-state emotion is present during the process, like fear or excitement.
So what you’re missing is she’s a prey animal, while you’ve worked mainly with predators. Prey animal does not only insinuate a fearful mindset– it also means the animal will almost always give into it’s gut reactions and behavioral instincts. Inhibiting its actions, like a dog not jumping up or a tiger not slowing down it’s approach, means the rabbit would die in the wild. Rabbits will not give into behavior modification. Rabbits will become “better pets” when their environment suits them or they learn through means they understand (lack of scary things, sense of security against invaders).
Don’t be as structured and regimented. You adjust to your rabbit’s cues, not the other way around.
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Sounds like a typical territorial female bun to me. I love the euphamism “spicy”, that is such a good description!
I can’t speak to the changes as your bun has been growing up, since I adopted my girl as an adult (1.5yrs old, now 2.5), but I have dealt with many of the same behaviors you describe! Thor was maybe worse since she came to us with bad habits of nipping/biting. She used to nip and bite whenever she was annoyed or thought we were in her way. She also is still quite territorial of “her” area in the kitchen. She is free roam, so no area is fenced off but she has a feeding and litterbox space that she considers hers.
I agree with Wick that with rabbits you have to take them as the come, spice and all
Here are a few things that helped me with Thor:
– I only clean her area when she is not in it, so we minimize aggressive problems. This might seem like “giving in” but I actually think it helps overall in the interest of peaceful relations. She doesn’t feel like she is constantly having to defend her territory, and the behavior isn’t reinforced.
– I never approach her directly from the front. This has been SUPER helpful. They can’t see right in front of their faces, so they can see any movement coming from there as a threat.
– When she does nip (rare now) I will pick up her front legs and turn her 180˚ away from me. I tried a few other “punishment” methods and this one has worked the best. It just confuses her and stops her train of thought, but there is no physical punishment and I am still there so she hasn’t been rewarded in chasing me off if that was what she was intending to do.
– Most importantly I just give her a safe loving place to live. This has perhaps helped the most, after 10 months of owning her she is much more calm and accepting of me in her space and doing things around her. She has gotten so much better about nipping and now only grunts if she is unhappy with a particular situation. She’s always loved pets so we can have happy bonding time doing that.
One more thing that comes to mind, Thor also does the charge at your ankles thing, like a fluffy head-but. I honestly find it super cute
If there is no nipping, grunting or biting then I think it is excitement! If you have been giving her a treat EVERY time you come in her area, she is probably doing it because she expects treats! If you want to lessen the charging, you could try teaching her a particular trick to get a treat that doesn’t involve your ankles. For instance, I’ve trained Thor to go onto the top level of her tower (kindof like a cat tree) on command to get a piece of banana. Bunnies are very amenable to clicker training if they are food driven.
Edit: Just a note that Thor is spayed and has been since 1yr old
Wick, can you expand a little on what you mean by “not as structured and regimented?” I was almost wondering if part of the problem that was her days were too variable, as I change things for her daily to keep her stimulated. We change toys, what veggies she gets, and what her day looks like. In general, her day is pretty similar-she gets a little bit of pellets and we hang out a little before I go to work, and then when I get home she runs around either outside or inside. Because she is a chewer, we have changed up the flooring in her environment a few times, and she hasn’t been here very long so I didn’t know if she felt she didn’t have enough consistency. I don’t notice much chinning or anything that would make me feel like she needs to mark everything. In fact, I haven’t seen chinning since after the second week I brought her home.
I have worked extensively with prey animals as well, but her case is just puzzling to me. In fact, my previous bunny was extremely fearful, and I felt that I understood what to do. I am trying to figure out how much of her behavior is normal and, really, whether I need to take her for a more thorough vet exam.
Thorbunny, I am glad you find her behavior normal! It makes me feel a little better! I was honestly worried she may have vision issues or a hormonal problem that she needed meds for. Thank you for all of the suggestions and advice!
We have had success with giving treats in the expen, and her aggression has actually decreased in that area. It’s weird about approaching her from the front-whenever she charges it’s always when something comes at her from the side. I almost wondered if she was blind in one eye based on some other behaviors I’ve noticed while training her, but she rushes no matter the side. I’ve just recently started to give the treats for going into her play area when she is out, so I don’t think she’s made the connection yet. There is a small fence that I step over, and she waits at the fence and when I place my foot into the space, she rushes it. However, she does have a habit of running under my feet while I am with her, so I hope it is just excitement! She does nose bonk me, so maybe it’s just a head butt
We do a TON of clicker training! The idea behind the target pole was similar to your cat tree idea (I have thought of getting her one just for fun!). Maybe she is just head butting that as well, since there is no biting or grunting.
I hope that, with time, she calms down. I feel like her behavior has worsened since I got her as far as being territorial, and I try to give her as much choice as possible so I never have to force her to do anything, so I not sure where this is coming from.
My other question concerns body language-I have a tough time reading her ears because they are lopped. Do you know of anything different I can look for in her ear position so I know how she’s feeling?
Thank you guys again for all of the insight! I REALLY appreciate it!
Certainly RoxMad. I understand where you’re coming from and your mindset because behavior modification is within my field of study, and when you run into scenarios that are atypical, it’s very surprising, while being confusing.
A few things first because I re-read your post again and had some thoughts: There is a hormonal spike which occurs and can last a few months after a spay. During this time, for both male and females, personalities and behaviors can change or be reset. I think the concurrent hormonal spike she was experiencing while you were changing her environment may have tampered with her overall sense of security. Although both are see-through, rabbits do realize that a dog crate gives more structure and coverage than an x-pen, which is much more open = open to more dangers. Considering the sense of security has been decreased, the continual change in her daily routine isn’t going to help her feel secure. I agree with your thought of being more consistent for a period of time so she feels safe and within her own territory/realm once again.
Once her sense of security and trust is back, you can begin reflecting on your training regimen with her and some of her “unfavorable” behaviors or desired behaviors. Body language is tough, but if you become more consistent, it will be easier to read her and see what her body language means. From this, you can start adjusting how you’ve trained her.
Overall in terms of structured/regimented, I lean more towards how you interpret her “learning” a new behavior. For example, the approach to your foot is a learned behavior, but this may explain her charging towards people feet. She demonstrates some state-dependent learning from the ball cue, but potentially she does not have the capacity to distinguish between the appropriate times to approach feet. It also could be she made an incorrect association and sees any object presented in front of her as potentially “the ball”, therefore if she boops it, something good will happen. Rabbits are kind of dumb, but we have to balance that we cannot punish them, so positive association will work selectively. If she boops something and nothing happens, it’s not the typical “it wasn’t positively reinforced, so that behavior frequency will lessen”, like it is with training other animals. There are many factors that make training rabbits “correctly” difficult. Although they have a wide visual scope, their focused field and attention span to stimuli is very small, so there are times when you praise a rabbit or scold a rabbit and it literally has no idea why. That’s why repetition is important, BUT rabbits pick up routine very quickly, so if a rabbit becomes used to getting multiple treats within a training session, this will affect their diet and increase selective eating, even if you enact a variable reinforcement schedule.
— In short, if something isn’t making sense as you’re teaching her new “tricks”, re-evaluate and see if her “learning” may actually be something else entirely.
In terms of the vision and potential blindness, I wouldn’t be too worried. Rabbits are hyper focused due to survival, and at the same time are masters at napping and daydreaming for effective energy saving, so if you startle your rabbit, even by a side approach, it may just be her acuity was not on you and it didn’t shift until you were really close to her. To test this, before approach, get your face down to her level and start waving or making movement so she shifts her focus from nothing/that thing that she’s focusing on onto you.
The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.
