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    • Alfiesmom
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        Hey everyone! I have a 12 week old Holland lop named Alfie. I’m confused about how exactly I should be transitioning his diet as he has been on a road of recovery for the last 3 weeks. So here’s the story in short: My bun showed symptoms of a uri within days of taking him home (just over 8 weeks old at the time), so he was put on oral antibiotics and eye drops for the runny eyes. Thankfully, the symptoms cleared up in just under 2 weeks, but when we did a follow-up with the vet, he lost too much weight because the antibiotics were affecting the good bacteria in his stomach and he decreased his food/water intake. The vet was also concerned he could be dealing with cecal dysbiosis. So the past week he’s been on critical care to help increase his weight (which has been working yay!). I’ve been putting probiotics in the critical care as well to help get the good bacteria back in his system. Alfie had an early stage of GI stasis the day after his follow-up with the vet, which I was able to help him with tummy rubs, simethicone, and lots and lots of exercise. Since the episode, his poops have been looking normal and his appetite and water intake has not decreased. 

        Through all of this, the vet wanted me to start introducing alfalfa hay into his diet and cutting out the young rabbit pellets because of Holland lops being prone to spurs? I have been doing it slowly by sprinkling some of it with the bulk of timothy hay that he eats. I have not increased the alfalfa hay as I noticed that Alfie has started to either stop eating his cecotropes or is producing too much. I don’t know if the combination of critical care and alfalfa hay is just too much for him? The last couple of days there has been squished cecotropes in his cage (1 to 2 in the mornings and same in afternoon) either in his litter box or in his blanket that he sleeps on. I’m really confused as to how to do this transition process. It’s been an overwhelming and emotional time since he’s come home, and I want to make sure that he is healing properly and not dealing with any more problems. On the plus side, Alfie isn’t on his antibiotics for about 3 days now as he is symptom-free. Any suggestions would be great at this point. I’ll be following up with the vet today when the clinic opens as well. 


      • Wick & Fable
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          Your vet should have prescribed probiotics with your antibiotics, especially since Alfie was young. In the future, if your vet prescribes antibiotics for anything, ask for a probiotic as well. Wick had a URI at 8wo and it took 3mo to cure, so I understand your qualms well. Wick was underweight for a bit, so we also did a week of Critical Care and he got back to healthy weight and has maintained it since.

          Honestly, I am no vet nor trained, but from my experience, I think sticking with whatever hay Alfie is used to and eats most often and doing critical care should cover the weight gain. Wick’s Critical Care regimen was twice daily, as much as he’d eat. So, that translated to about 5 syringes in the morning and 5-8 syringes at night, because he’s a monster about Critical Care. After a week, it was clear he was back to healthy weight and no more CC was needed.

          Holland lops, being small in size = small in mouth size are prone to spurs. Not as much as Netherland Dwarves (like Wick), but it is true. Eating hay and chewing on toys is the best way to keep those molars down; however, permanently cutting out pellets will do more harm than good, as a growing rabbit needs the pellet nutrients. Do what you can do encourage chewing on toys and hay consumption, and this will do a good job managing teeth. Wick has to see the vet every 2-3mo for molar spurs, but he doesn’t chew on stuff, so it’s more frequent than most. Plus he has an underbite.

          The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


        • Alfiesmom
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            After I looked up side effects of antibiotics on young buns I was pretty surprised that my vet didn’t recommend probiotics, especially since this vet supposedly bred Holland lops for years. So far, Alfie has been on critical care for almost a week and has had good improvement with increasing weight. He is back to the weight he was 2 weeks ago. I actually just caught him eating his cecotropes and leaving a couple tiny pieces out of the bunch to leave off to the side. So at least I know he is eating them, just not all of it or making too much possibly. He loves his timothy hay and doesn’t have a problem munching on hay in general. Since he is basically back to the weight he was, should I stop critical care altogether and start with the young rabbit pellets, or should I do it slower (such as decreasing cc slightly and reintroducing pellets). I think with the combination of critical care and alfalfa hay at the same time right now may be too much. He weighs 0.68 kg.


          • Bam
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              I thought I’d replied to this earlier. It must’ve not posted. Anyway, a probiotic is good for a young tummy. Benebac has some of the important bacteria that should be found in a healthy bunny gut, but there are other brands as well. If you can find one with enterococcus faecium and/or saccaromyces cerevisiae (live brewer’s yeast), it’s a suitable type for a bunny.

              I think Critical Care plus alfalfa can be a bit too rich, so maybe wait with the alfala until you’re taking him off the CC? CC has all the nutrients he needs, so he wont really need the alfalfa until you stop the CC – or rather taper out – the CC. Grass hay is the best thing for bunny teeth, but as long as he’s growing he’ll need either CC, alfalfa or pellets plus his timothy hay. Adult buns do very well on a diet with very little pellets plus lots and lots of good quality grass hay. Alfalfa has too much calcium for an adult bun, but I have heard of people that feed their adult buns alfalfa instead of pellets.

              Holland lops can be prone to dental issues, because they’ve been bred to have an (adorable) round little head with a short nose, and sometimes that means their tooth get misaligned. As Wick says the risk is even bigger with Nethies, but it’s actually a risk with most bunnies and that’s why there is no rabbit insurance that covers dental problems. Hay, hay, hay and more hay is our weapon against dental disease in our buns. This is because hay is tough and rabbits have to grind it between their molars in a sideways motion that’s needed for proper dental wear.


            • Alfiesmom
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                Bam, I thought the same thing with critical care and alfalfa hay. I know protein is important for a young bun, but the critical care already has quite a bit of protein, that I was questioning as to why the vet wanted me to start the alfalfa hay at the same time. I made an appointment for a follow-up in a couple days and I will bring it up to the vet. Alfie was dealing with dysbiosis in the last week of his antibiotic treatment, thankfully the probiotics seem to be normalizing his cecotropes slowly but surely to the correct consistency. I just want to make sure his diet is as good as it can be because the poor guy seems to have gone through quite a few changes since he got sick. I know diet changes need to be done slowly so I’m worried stopping the critical care altogether could just reverse the efforts of getting him better, rather than adjusting the levels gradually. 


              • Wick & Fable
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                  I believe I kept Wick on pellets during his CC period, and he was unhappy, but transitioned to no CC fairly well. I amped up veggies and pellets a bit to compensate and became more rigorous in stimulating his hay appetite.

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                • Alfiesmom
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                    I’ll try that once the vet says it’s ok to taper off the CC. Alfie is scheduled for a follow-up tomorrow morning. It’s exhausting to keep finding cecotropes in his litter box because of too much in his diet. How long does it take to see if diet changes are improving? I’ve heard it could days a few days or longer. The plus side is that Alfie has definitely increased his Timothy hay intake and fecal pellets look really good. 


                  • Wick & Fable
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                      It takes about half a day or a full day for Wick’s poop to show change (small to big; wet to dry). In terms of whether your rabbit is actually eating more/less hay, that will happen pretty immediately, but you want to observe for 2-3 days, as some rabbits need to warm up to foods and differing food schedules.

                      Great knowing his Timothy hay intake is increasing!

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                    • Alfiesmom
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                        Just an update from visit to the vet this morning: There’s been less amount of cecotropes left in Alfie’s litter, there was only some from this afternoon, but nothing was left overnight (yay!). Some of his fecal pellets are wet, but the vet said that the CC could be a contributor as it is a different consistency than hay, but isn’t concerned about it since they are still perfectly formed. The vet wants to try Alfie on alfalfa hay again once the CC is getting tapered off, but that won’t be for another 2 weeks. Alfie still needs to gain some more weight (another 1/2 lb), so he is staying on CC with probiotics, timothy hay and water only until then.

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